2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board

[alleycat_126]

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

So, let me see if I have this straight...the team is targeting a series of exactly precisely 6'0" corners this off season, in order to foster arguments on message boards about corners "typically" being either 6'0" or less, or else being 6'0" and above....wow, I think I see it now -- Loomis and Payton are crazy like a fox -- by ONLY picking 6'0" corners, they are keeping everyone guessing, as to whether their strategy is going to be going after tall corners above 6'0", or short corners below 6'0"....and yet, HAHA, the Saints are targeting ONLY EXACTLY 6'0" corners, keeping EVERYONE guessing, so that the fans and also other teams don't know which philosophy they are using....wow, I think I really understand this argument now.

You silly, LOL!!!!!

[Danno]

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

I explained how I got what I got out of your statements and this is what I get back..... seriously.

Ok, you tell me what I should have comprehended from your statement. You garner a great deal of respect here, but don't expect me to cowher to you because your post count is high, or because you sling insults to avoid explanations...... I'll keep my feelings out of the post, I expect you being the senior poster to do the same.

- What should I have comprehended from your statements?

OK,

I said CB's are typically 6-0 and under. True

Most of the greatest CB's of all time are around 5-10 or 5-11. True

Its a myth that you need tall CB's to compete today. True

Most 5-11 CB's have a freaking vertical nearly 1/2 foot higher than most of these tall WR/TE's playing today. True

Nowhere did I say that 6'0 CB's being better is a myth. I said you don't need tall (over 6'0) CB's to compete, then stated that most of the best CB's of all time ever are under 6'0, to illustrate that you don't have to be a tall CB (over 6'0) to compete.

This is taking way too much effort to relay what should be easy to understand. This is my final attempt at helping you understand. I'm sure the rest of the board is growing tired of this silly back and forth too. I hope you understand.

[jeanpierre]

If there's a 6' 2" prospect and a 5' 11" prospect and both are capable cornerbacks, I'm getting the size...

[FinSaint]

I do think Danno is on point with the things he stated pertaining to CBs, but I personally would always choose the taller CB if otherwise the CBs in question were about the same in other areas.

More than size, it comes down to body management and how CBs with smaller statures can maneuver themselves in relation to the receiver - when talking about the really tall WRs in the league. Height doesn't make CBs better by its virtue alone, but it can certainly help a lot when one has to go against a big physical receiver in a man coverage scheme.

[hagan714]

the wr are getting taller so the cb must do the same. in many ways the cb are just starting to catch up

[FinSaint]

Originally Posted by hagan714

the wr are getting taller so the cb must do the same. in many ways the cb are just starting to catch up

Exactly, but like Danno said, having tall CBs isn't necessary to compete - even though having them will probably make it easier to compete.

[Danno]

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Exactly, but like Danno said, having tall CBs isn't necessary to compete - even though having them will probably make it easier to compete.

True. If you gave me a choice between a 5-11 Deion Sanders, and a 6'4 Deion Sanders, obviously you go with the taller one. No one disagrees with that.

But as I pointed out, you don't have to be over 6'0 to play CB wellin this league. If a 6'0 CB has an 6" vertical advantage over a 6'4 WR, you don't have a problem.

[alleycat_126]

Originally Posted by Danno

OK,

I said CB's are typically 6-0 and under. True

Most of the greatest CB's of all time are around 5-10 or 5-11. True

Its a myth that you need tall CB's to compete today. True

Most 5-11 CB's have a freaking vertical nearly 1/2 foot higher than most of these tall WR/TE's playing today. True

Nowhere did I say that 6'0 CB's being better is a myth. I said you don't need tall (over 6'0) CB's to compete, then stated that most of the best CB's of all time ever are under 6'0, to illustrate that you don't have to be a tall CB (over 6'0) to compete.

This is taking way too much effort to relay what should be easy to understand. This is my final attempt at helping you understand. I'm sure the rest of the board is growing tired of this silly back and forth too. I hope you understand.

Word semantics.... I apologize you said to compete, and not better than. I could have easily argued that better is what you meant, but it won't advance us.

This is my attempt at humor, has nothing to do with the convo>>>> I should or could have never thought that better is what you meant based on you making the under 6'0ft corner seem like Superman was guarding the defensive backfield .... I mean you said everything except shorter CB's could leap tall buildings in a single bound. <<<< But, I digress

To your not needing 6'0ft corners to compete comment I gave you kudos by saying that I agreed..... Then I mentioned that even thought your statement is true, the saints have been committed to going opposite of your statement in their free agency signs and visits.... To which there has still been no response....

If the Saints are in fact targeting taller man up corners, shouldn't I want them to follow with what the plan is? That is the whole reason I said a tall man up corner.

This is taking way too much effort to relay what should be easy to understand. This is my final attempt at helping you understand. This is an unnecessary statement.... borderline insulting. I have a very good understanding of the english language as I am sure you do too. If I wanted to trade insults I would be on the page where that was more of the norm. Again answer and move on.....

I'm sure the rest of the board is growing tired of this silly back and forth too. I can't speak for everyone in the room but IMHO fights between family members is what builds the best families.... doubt they would think otherwise!!!!!

[Danno]

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

To your not needing 6'0ft corners to compete comment I gave you kudos by saying that I agreed..... Then I mentioned that even thought your statement is true, the saints have been committed to going opposite of your statement in their free agency signs and visits.... To which there has still been no response....

OK, One last time I promise.

I said you don't need tall CB's to compete. 6'0 isn't a tall CB. I stated that CB's are typically 6'0 and under. What is it about that statement that you don't understand?

You then pointed out that we looked at two 6'0 CB's. How is looking at 6'0 CB's "going opposite" of my statement that CB's are typically 6'0 and under?

This is now my 3rd reponse to your comments that you claim I haven't responded to.

Hell, maybe its me. Can someone else explain to me where the disconnect is coming from? I am simply unable to make it any more clear than I already have, in several different posts.

[TheOak]

No - We do not know our 2013 strengths and weaknesses on defense yet, and Ryan is not going to know that answer until he puts the players through their paces. It's not always the tools in the box but how you use them.

If you refute that statement then you also believe that it has nothing to do with utilization in Ingram's case... He is just not that good.

Furthermore if its the players that are either good or bad solely based on that merit, and neither utilization nor Spags influenced how bad our defense was in 2012..... then... having Payton back will change nothing in 2013.