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DE Michael Johnson - played himself out of my favor this weekend. i just did not see the hustle out of him. for the money he will want i may have to take a pass.

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It's funny you say that because several publications are starting to rank Albert ahead of Long which would may indicate that Long could be affordable...

Now I do think Albert would be better in the run game which I think could use a spark...

When we've got to face physical, speed rushing defensive lines like the Giants, 49ers, even the Panthers - I'd like to just line up and beat the sh*t out of them for 3 quarters...

then let Drew drop play action bombs on them mid way through the 3rd quarter just to break their will and spirit and set the tone for the playoffs...

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Saints have some cache in the trade department as RB has become a premium position...

Some teams will need help and we've got three quality, conventional running backs in Thomas, Ivory, and Ingram...

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No we can't afford them all, but this would be a pick list which I would work from with even five on this list would be a haul...

JeanPierre's Top Ten FA List:

01 FS Jarius Byrd
02 OC Brian De La Puente
03 DE Michael Johnson
04 DT Henry Melton
05 LT Branden Albert
06 LB Daryl Smith
07 RT Andre Smith
08 LB Erin Henderson
09 SS Matt Giorlando
10 WR Julian Edelman

With the commitment to Brees, we've really got to shore up the OL and though de La Puente is a RFA, he needs to be brought back in positive fashion...

Some have noted we had Giorlando and let him go; I think Spags would like this guy...

Andre Smith, with an enriching environment led by Brees, would have little issues staying in shape and being a monster mauler at Right Tackle...

Julian Edelman offers great versatility as he plays a number of positons between offense and defense as well as being a special teams ace...

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Top Ten FA List:

01 LT Branden Albert - would prefer Jake Long because of Albert's durability issues but Long has been making 12 million; Saints have been paying Bushrod 3.25 and Albert made 2.7 past season; this is one where a careful balance in salary cap money made available and allotment at this position will effect the balance on this or any list of free agent upgrades for the Saints...

02 OC Brian De La Puente - the center position is one of the most sacred to a football offense and though subtle, can affect the entire chemistry of that unit; this is another position that because of the RFA designation may be signed late, but should be given a priority so there is no uncertainty lingering long into the offseason...

03 FS Jarius Byrd - we're not going to find an entire front seven in FA and the draft, but the biggest reason why the Saints had, historically, the worst defense in the NFL was because of YAC where the Saints were the worse; Darren Sharper was the last great safety the Saints have had and Byrd would have the same impact for an awful Saints defense...

04 DE Michael Johnson - an up and coming Defensive End who's been taught the game by one of the best in Marvin Lewis; he's got prototypical size, speed which is non-existent at the Starting Right Defensive End position...

05 DT Henry Melton - one of the fastest defensive tackles in the box and still very young, but with commitments to Bunkley and the promise of Hicks, can we afford him?

06 LB Daryl Smith - an impact upgrade at a position that's had vanilla level talent, Smith still has a good three years and could allow for a new player to develop at the WILL...


07 RT Andre Smith - his talent is as immense as his girth which has been his fatal flaw, he would thrive under the guidance of the Saints Locker Room but will his appetite extend to his salary demands? and would he hinder the best screen play in the game?!?

08 LB Erin Henderson - his off-field behaviour seemingly behind him which may make him affordable, his talent could be enough to complement a Saints defense for four more seasons. But would he be a distraction?

09 SS Matt Giorlando - Gregg Williams is the gift that keeps giving; we had him and we did not see to develop him - nor any defensive backs for the Saints under Williams and now Spagnulo which begs the question - Why do we draft cornerbacks in the first round if we are only going to berrate them and sit them for the first season or two?!? Giorlando would be an affordable Strong Safety who can tackle and cover better than what we've paid Harper to do...

10 WR Julian Edelman - with so little money seemingly available, it may be that we only sign three to four free agents so it makes sense to sign a guy that has played wide receiver, cornerback, special teams, et al; and our special teams needs upgrades starting with the Spec Teams Coordinator and this guy would be a good starting block for a new Special Teams Coach...

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The two targets I like best are #2 & #10. I'm assuming De la Puente will be signed and I think you're spot on with the Julian Edelman (WR) target. He's the kind of guy who will give you a lot bang for the buck and would do well in New Orleans.

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I think that #2 is a given, so I won't even debate about that.

But other than that, I think #3 and #5 would be awesome additions who'd immediately make the defense better both on the front- and backside.

I don't think the Vikes are going to let Henderson go, and more importantly I don't think he wants to leave, so IMO he's not even an option.

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Saints Free Agents (Replacement Candidate)

Sedrick Ellis, DT (Henry Melton, DT CHI)
Turk McBride, DE (Greg Romeus, DE NO/IR)
Jonathan Casillas, LB (Chris Chamberlain, LB NO/IR)
Ramon Humber, LB (No Change/Better Draftee)
Scott Shanle, LB (Daryl Smith, LB JAX)
Junion Gallette, DL - RFA (Will Allow to Leave for Draft Pick)
Rafael Bush, DB (No Change/Better Draftee)
Elbert Mack (DB) (Marquis Johnson, NO/IR)

Jermon Bushrod, (Branden Albert, OT KC)
Brian DeLaPuente, C- RFA (Tendered; Will Allow to Leave for Draft Pick)
Eric Olsen, OL - (No Changed, Tendered)
Justin Drescher (Marcel Jones, OL NO/IR)
Chase Daniel (No Changed, Tendered)
Chris Ivory (Tendered; Will Allow to Leave for Draft Pick)
Courtney Roby, WR (Julian Edelman, WR NE)

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Pretty good list JP. Don't like the Giordano choice since he couldn't beat out either of our starting safeties before so I don't think he can now. I'd prefer to fix the front 7 first, then address the back-end.

Love the Albert choice, but only if we can't re-up with Bushrod.

I like both LB's you listed and both would be upgrades at WLB. Although we didn't get to see Chamberlain in action. He looks like a more athletic Shanle, which is a compliment.

So, have we all given up hope for our OT Marcell Jones?

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I haven't, and I think that he'll make a serious push for the starting RT position this upcoming season - he looked good in the preseason, especially when considering his rawness coming out from the draft, so I think he can be an upgrade over Strief if he can stay healthy and keep learning from Kromer and the veteran O-line guys.

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Giordano just needed playing time to get better...

Albert would be an upgrade over Bushrod...

Chamberlain was brought in to be a utility back/OLB Backup, bridge to the Spagnuolo system, and special teams anchor...

Jones is a couple of years away...

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Well, I wanted Cliff Avril last year but he got tagged. He's been on a losing team for a long time and might take a little less to go to a winner. I get sick thinking the we have to stay with Bushrod. I hope he does go to another team who pays more money for a 2 second turnstile. Wes Welker not thanks we got Moore so no loss there. Walker would be intriguing just to get him away from the 9ers and get some insight but we have some young cheap TE's already. Osi Umenyura is gonna cost too much too and that's a shame.

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Even with a discount, we can't afford him...

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Michael Johnson has a higher ceiling and is affordable...

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Might could pick up Richard Seymour cheap. He's 33 but was playing well until his hamstring injury. Raiders won't re-sign and he might have 2 good years left in him. He had more sacks in 8 games than Ellis and Bunkley had combined in 16.

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That just might work. I like it.

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He's not the playmaker everyone thinks he is either.

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And that would be insight from a Lions Fan that's watched them all season...

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... and probably will have to watch them until he can afford the cab fare to the Saints home schedule, :lol:.

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Announced today that the Chiefs will keep the 3-4 defense...

How does this affect the Saints?

Glenn Dorsey, who the Saints had coveted, may just want to move on as he was better suited to a 4-3 defense which the Saints currently employ...

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Yep, he is NOT a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 DT.

The guy is a 4-3 DT all day long.

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You get a rotation of Bunkley/Hicks with Dorsey/Johnson, now that could be something with a younger, faster starting defensive end on the right (maybe Martez)...

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will he come home? will he stay healthy?

Interesting

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The case against signing Jermon Bushrod...

First, asking price will be too high...

Second, the position is in need of upgrade/better play...

Third, Jimmy Graham will need to be resigned...

Fourth, how much will be committed to the offensive line?!?

Fifth, Saints Offensive Protection is based around the guards and Brees' read/release speed, not the tackles...

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Loomis has to get with owner and decide how many contracts they'll convert (ie Brees, Evans, Grubbs, etc) to singing bonuses so the Saints can not only get under the salary cap, but make moves in Free Agency...

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What if we cut 70-75% of our defensive players? How much moolah would that save? I can think of four, maybe five names I'd be disappointed not hear being called out next year. If you're wondering who those names are, they're the only ones being called for making good plays this year. Too bad Spags' paycheck doesn't count against the cap...

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Because of their salaries, I expect Will Smith, Roman Harper, and Jon Vilma to be released...

Cam Jordan has played solid; Bunkley found his place, but could be a cap casualty; the other linebackers need to get healthy and develop chemistry...

If Jenkins can move to the RCB or SS, then we can worry about a natural Free Safety; Jarius Byrd would be great, but is he affordable with needs in the front seven?

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I just don't understand why anyone would want to move our worst tackler to SS. RCB? OK fine. But SS? He'd be worse at SS than he is at FS, which isn't really a huge jump.:p

Bunkley would cost us 3.6 million to cut him, and 3.7 million to keep him.
Why do you think he'd be a cap casualty?

Agreed on all else tho.

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But Bushrod is our best downfield blocker on screens which is a really big weapon for us with PT and ssproles.

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Jenkins is thinking too much and not reacting; it's a big factor in his poor tackling and lack of playmaking...

If Hicks steps up, he's more of a nose tackle than three-technique tackle; and Jimmy Graham will have to be extended as well...

I like Bunkley, but it's all about most bang for the buck...

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Agree on Jenkins, in fact the entire defense looked to be hesitant and confused all year.

I think Hicks is much better suited for the 3-tech. He has a very quick burst. I don't see him as a 2 gap DT, although he can probably do OK there.

Bunkley is probably our best DT right now. And for a measly 100,000 I think he's a keeper for 2013. He signed a 5-year contract so he's here to stay for at least 2 or 3 years barring him going all Sullivan on us.

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get jenkins a modern day SS to play with. harper is a throw back. todays SS are pretty much another FS.

improve CB/LB play in pass coverage would help also

pass rush that keeps the QB in the pocket would help

yep better defensive play.

i think he was assigned to much to make up for what we lacked on defense.

I would take to big quick DT like Hicks all day long.

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I am totally in agreement about his down field blocking. He does well there, but pretty much sucks at everyting else.:rolleyes:

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Top Ten FA List:

01 LT Jake Long - we've got so much tied up in Brees can't see not insuring that investment; Bushrod and his agent seem to think Bushrod is an elite tackle and not of it has to do with the Payton/Brees quick tempo/release offense; ask Tampa Bay > it's rainbows and lollipops since signing Nicks...

02 OC Brian De La Puente - (No Change) the center position is one of the most sacred to a football offense and though subtle, can affect the entire chemistry of that unit; De La Puente may be signed late, but should be given a priority so there is no uncertainty lingering long into the offseason...

03 FS Jarius Byrd - (No Change) we're not going to find an entire front seven in FA and the draft, but the biggest reason why the Saints had, historically, the worst defense in the NFL was because of YAC where the Saints were the worse; Darren Sharper was the last great safety the Saints have had and Byrd compares favorably to Sharper...

04 DE Michael Johnson - (No Change) an up and coming Defensive End who's been taught the game by one of the best in Marvin Lewis; he's got prototypical size, speed which is non-existent at the Starting Right Defensive End position...

05 DT Henry Melton - (No Change) one of the fastest defensive tackles in the box and still very young, but with commitments to Bunkley and the promise of Hicks, can we afford him?

06 LB Daryl Smith - (No Change) an impact upgrade at a position that's had vanilla level talent, Smith still has a good three years and could allow for a new player to develop at the WILL...


07 RT Andre Smith - (No Change) his talent is as immense as his girth which has been his fatal flaw, he would thrive under the guidance of the Saints Locker Room but will his appetite extend to his salary demands? and would he hinder the best screen play in the game?!?

08 LB Erin Henderson - (No Change) his off-field behaviour seemingly behind him which may make him affordable, his talent could be enough to complement a Saints defense for four more seasons. But would he be a distraction?

09 SS Matt Giorlando - (No Change) Gregg Williams is the gift that keeps giving; we had him and we did not see to develop him - nor any defensive backs for the Saints under Williams and now Spagnulo which begs the question - Why do we draft cornerbacks in the first round if we are only going to berrate them and sit them for the first season or two?!? Giorlando would be an affordable Strong Safety who can tackle and cover better than what we've paid Harper to do...

10 WR Julian Edelman - (No Change) with so little money seemingly available, it may be that we only sign three to four free agents so it makes sense to sign a guy that has played wide receiver, cornerback, special teams, et al; and our special teams needs upgrades starting with the Spec Teams Coordinator and this guy would be a good starting block for a new Special Teams Coach...

If we managed four-five from this list and get under the cap - it'd be ecstatic shack in the Dome on Sundays...:bng:

Realistic/Possible and Best Hope would be Nos. 1, 2, 3, 6, and 10 :bng:

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I would just love Jake Long on our OL but there is no chance in hell we could afford him.

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Well, if Bushrod is gonna be in the same price range, as well as Albert and others...plus Jeff Ireland is talking as if a tough decision is gonna have to be made...there's a window there...

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I've really got the sense that the Saints may make overtures to Jake Long unless they plan on going after Fisher in the Draft - but that's a big gamble to wait on the draft and watch someone like the Falcons trade everything they have left to keep us from getting him...

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ok we need a true NT asap gang

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Brad Jones, ILB, Green Pay Packers
Desmond Bryant, DT, Raiders ?
Terrance Knighton, NT, Jaguars