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jeanpierre 02-28-2013 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 482530)
Far too much.
I'd keep him for the right money but wether he'd take such a cut or cut I'm not sure.Not even sure how many teams would touch him at $7ml a year either.

Most of his contract was guaranteed...

lee909 02-28-2013 04:09 AM

Be interesting to see what happens with Bushrod now.
Giants have re-signs Beatty for 5 years at $38.5(clauses 19ml guaranteed)

Beatty’s contract is worth $37.5 million — and up to $38.75 million, with incentives — including $19 million fully guaranteed and a $12.5 million signing bonus, according to a person with knowledge of the terms of the deal. That person requested anonymity because the Giants do not disclose contract specifics.



So around $7.5ml per year in cap space.Do we end up paying Bushrod similar and try to keep the line intact or look to a lower priced vet or the draft.

FinSaint 02-28-2013 05:24 AM

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Bushrod probably thinks he deserves more than Beatty, since he is a Pro Bowler and a perennial starter at LT, but who knows..?

$7.5M would probably be as high as I'd like to see them go if they plan on re-signing Bushrod; I'm not saying he wouldn't be worth more in relative terms, but higher than that and I think the Saints are better of seeking an alternative.

hagan714 02-28-2013 06:18 AM

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as the off season turns. freaking soap opera is in mid season form. gonna love the next few weeks.

i can live with fin numbers.

Our of season turns on this move come on baby sign a LT tackle or not

how much money will the signer walk away with in the way of bonus money?

FinSaint 02-28-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 482572)
how much money will the signer walk away with in the way of bonus money?


That's a good question!

The Saints would probably offer much of the contract in the way of signing bonus while backloading much of the base salary, so they'd probably give a hefty handful of cash immediately to the player they signed with.

...and that's another reason why I'd like them to seek a cheaper alternative to Bushrod, since the Saints already have enough of backloaded contracts on their books - especially with the recent restructures.

jeanpierre 02-28-2013 08:39 AM

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With our limited draft picks and needs at both Tackles, and the investment in Brees, Colston, et al - I can't seen how we don't sign at least one tackle - trick is do they pony up for Bushrod or pay more for a better Tackle?

FinSaint 02-28-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 482637)
trick is do they pony up for Bushrod or pay more for a better Tackle?


...or less for an equally good or slightly worse one?

K Major 02-28-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 482319)
I'd love to sign Delaine Walker if the 49ers don't re-sign him.

Me too. The guys seems to be very versatile & is also a hellava blocker.

lee909 03-01-2013 10:48 AM

Dunta Robinson released by the clowns. Does he have anything to offer?

FinSaint 03-01-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 482907)
Dunta Robinson released by the clowns. Does he have anything to offer?


I know Ivory had something to offer him this past season... :-)

lee909 03-01-2013 10:53 AM

Haha
I loved that run,probably highlight of the season for me.

FinSaint 03-01-2013 03:48 PM

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Like it was suspected, the Bills tagged Byrd, so he won't be available on the market.

K Major 03-01-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 482954)
Like it was suspected, the Bills tagged Byrd, so he won't be available on the market.

Gosh darnit!

Danno 03-01-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 482954)
Like it was suspected, the Bills tagged Byrd, so he won't be available on the market.

And just about every other highly desired free agent will either re-sign or be tagged.

The few who do make it to market will likely be way over-paid. I'm growing tired of that scenario.

FinSaint 03-01-2013 03:58 PM

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IDK, I have a feeling that someone like Connor Barwin could be had for very acceptable money, especially with this year's draft being so heavy on defensive talent.

Danno 03-01-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 482960)
IDK, I have a feeling that someone like Connor Barwin could be had for very acceptable money, especially with this year's draft being so heavy on defensive talent.

Thats a great point. But you'd think that would adjust/set their fair market value before they decided to leave or stay.

FinSaint 03-01-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 482965)
Thats a great point. But you'd think that would adjust/set their fair market value before they decided to leave or stay.


True, I think Barwin was offered a multi-year contract prior to last season, which he turned down, and now after a disappointing season he hasn't been offered the same type of a contract by the Texans.

Seer1 03-01-2013 05:29 PM

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What about bringing one of the Breadline Three just released from the Clowns just for fun? Think there'd be a place for Abraham or Robinson?

FinSaint 03-01-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 482981)
What about bringing one of the Breadline Three just released from the Clowns just for fun? Think there'd be a place for Abraham or Robinson?


Abraham has been their Will Smith for the past couple of seasons - being overpaid for the production they've been getting out of him - and there was a lot of speculation even last offseason that the Failclowns would cut him.

He has lost a step during the past couple of years, and he lost a handful of games last season with an injury, which also made him a non-factor in the playoffs. Honestly, at this point in his career I would stay away from him, but who knows? He might be a fit for a 3-4 DE since he wouldn't need that explosiveness of the LOS in that position in comparison with a 4-3 DE, although I'd like to see him put on some weight if that were the case (6-4, 263). But I don't think he'd be a good pick up for the Saints.

Robinson or Grimes on the other hand could provide some nice talent injection on the Saints' backfield, but there might be better fits out there than these two.

hagan714 03-02-2013 07:56 AM

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Robinson never did live up to expectations in atlanta. maybe a change in defense would work for him

SaintsBro 03-02-2013 08:35 AM

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Dunta Robinson is one of those guys who dances around the field and celebrates like he just won the game, on every routine play, then suddenly gives up a big one. I don't see him being a fit in this locker room, but I could be wrong.

jeanpierre 03-03-2013 12:47 AM

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Top Ten FA List (JeanPierre) [Updated - 03/02/2013]

01 LB Daryl Smith, JAX
02 FS Kenny Phillips, NYG
03 NT Terrence Knighton, JAX
04 QB Matt Moore, MIA
05 OC Brian De La Puente, NO *RFA
06 TE Brandon Myers, OAK
07 WR Danario Alexander, SD *RFA
08 DE Ricky Jean Francois, SF
09 NT Sammie Lee Hill,
10 WR Julian Edelman, NE

:saintsfan:

alleycat_126 03-03-2013 06:19 AM

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They may not be looking, but I really like Danario Alexander, he is a Robert Meacheam type reciever something the Saints sorely missed last season.

FinSaint 03-03-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 483174)
They may not be looking, but I really like Danario Alexander, he is a Robert Meacheam type reciever something the Saints sorely missed last season.


Really?!

I think Morgan was very effective as the guy who could stretch the field, and he made some really nice catches down the field, the few he dropped were mostly on shorter passes.

jeanpierre 03-03-2013 08:09 PM

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Alexander offers excellent size, can stretch the field adequately, and uses his hands in disciplined catches...

Smith, Phillips, and either Knighton or Hill would make excellent FA additons on defense with appropriate salaries, but can we afford anyone?!?

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 05:45 AM

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We're down to 10 days before the market opens!

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 05:59 AM

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NFL.com says that OT Jake Long, Miami is seeking 11MIL/Annum; that's more than the franchise tag for an OL for 2013 which is at $9,828,000 for 2013 per USA Today...

Value of franchise tags determined for each position

That's insane...

hagan714 03-04-2013 06:02 AM

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long has always been a bit of a a head ache when i comes to contracts and self worth

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 483276)
long has always been a bit of a a head ache when i comes to contracts and self worth

When I first read that Miami wasn't tagging him, I looked at an opportunity...

...then I realized Miami didn't have a bad plan of it's own - they just don't have a quarterback playing at a top 10 level, yet...

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 483211)
Really?!

I think Morgan was very effective as the guy who could stretch the field, and he made some really nice catches down the field, the few he dropped were mostly on shorter passes.

Morgan is effective; but a No. 2? I don't think so...

hagan714 03-04-2013 06:38 AM

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Colston is our #2 he is our possession WR. We need a #1. we have never had one since Drew signed here. Dam Drew and Colston are good lol

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 483289)
Colston is our #2 he is our possession WR. We need a #1. we have never had one since Drew signed here. Dam Drew and Colston are good lol

That's the brilliance of Payton - you don't know where we're going, buys that overrated offensive tackle more time...

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 08:10 AM

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Wonder who's courting Daryl Smith?

lee909 03-04-2013 08:25 AM

Wouldn't mind seeing him here.
Any vets we can pick up to plug positions is great IMO,we have limited picks and cap space so if we could plug either depth at NT,a new OLB/CB in FA we can pick the BPA in the draft rather than being forced to reach out of need.

FinSaint 03-04-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 483284)
Morgan is effective; but a No. 2? I don't think so...


Was Meachem a #2?!

My post was in regards to the one about missing Meachem and needing a player to replace what he brought to the table.

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 483315)
Was Meachem a #2?!

My post was in regards to the one about missing Meachem and needing a player to replace what he brought to the table.

He wasn't a worth a No. 1 pick!

I thought of him more of a No. 3, Slot/Seam Route Runner; as that, he was sufficient, but I didn't consider him a No. 1 or 2...

K Major 03-04-2013 01:01 PM

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It appears that the Cows are about to put the franchise tag on Anthony Spencer so we can scratch him from the list.

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 483384)
It appears that the Cows are about to put the franchise tag on Anthony Spencer so we can scratch him from the list.

Add to that that Cowboys cutting Gerald Sensabaugh | ProFootballTalk

...so that may be the player that Chunk brings over...

FinSaint 03-04-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 483379)
He wasn't a worth a No. 1 pick!

I thought of him more of a No. 3, Slot/Seam Route Runner; as that, he was sufficient, but I didn't consider him a No. 1 or 2...


And that was pretty much my point as well... I think an undrafted guy like Morgan has been able to fill the hole left by Meachem without any significant drop-off, maybe even the opposite.

There wasn't any discussion about whether or not Meachem and Morgan are/were #2 or #3 or whatever in the Saints' offense; just about a receiver who can stretch the field.

hagan714 03-05-2013 05:05 AM

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ok robert who? enough said

if a FA gamble does not happen i am looking at Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&Min the third


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