SaintFanInATLHELL

And we had basically those same players the three years before that. Yet the Saints averaged 34 sacks a year from 2009-2011. The scheme changed last year.

The Saints were a top 10 defense less than 3 years ago. And this is with the same base personnel.
I understand your frustration. I don't think that it is satisfaction. I believe it's understanding the reality of the constraints of today's NFL. As I pointed out before literally to get the defense you want, we would have had to not resign Brees to his $100+ million contract. That would have a catastrophic devastation for the franchise.

At the end of the day, the objective is neither to have epic offense or defense. The objective is to be the team hoisting the Lombardi in the end. Pittsburg has been #1 or #2 in scoring defense for the last decade. Yet they have not won every SuperBowl, have not won it in 5 years now, and did not make the playoffs last year.

Same for offense. Saints were #2 in both scoring and yards last year, and have been in the top 5 virtually every year of Payton's tenure. Yet we only have one trophy so far to show for it.

So my question isn't do we have epic offense or epic defense. My question is do we have the elements to put together a run to the trophy this year?

Ryan's scheme is closer to William's. The 3-4 looks fits our existing personnel better. The defense has time to gel as the offense pretty much starts the team with a 24 point lead on a consistent basis. If the defense can simply succeed in holding the opposition down in scoring, and get a couple of takeaways per game, then the team will be successful.

SFIAH

Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO

Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

DISPLACEDFAN

like I said before take the hit bring in some rookie that maybe able to surprise and cut our losses. we know what we are getting from those guys which isn't much give somebody else a shot

|Mitch|

You don't understand, they will still have dead money next year as well. You do understand that the signing bonus is prorated, right?

DISPLACEDFAN

I guess I don't get the cap cause this isn't the NBA where contracts are guaranteed

iceshack149

I think the leaders are Lofton, Jenkins, and Cam Jordan. In that order.

Forgive me for piling on but why are we digging graves for anyone in the Saints organization before the season even starts?

|Mitch|

Just an example, but Brees still has 29 million in dead money left out of his 60 million guaranteed. So if we cut him today we'd still have to pay him that 29 million.

Will Smith has 7.8 million left in dead money

Harper= 6.5 million

Hawthorne = 7 million

DISPLACEDFAN

It was just a question considering we have had 3 different DC in 3 yrs I really didn't intend for it to get this blown out of proportion. I stated in the beginning I was giving Rob the benefit of the doubt but if he didn't turn it around and were to make a change I would like to see them go after Lovie Smith who I thought at the time would have been a better choice

|Mitch|

But at the same time, you have to give a coordinator 2-3 years when they are going through a complete scheme change...

DISPLACEDFAN

I was never calling for the ax to fall on Rob
I don't get why Spags wasn't given more than a yr though

|Mitch|

My thoughts are that the giving up the most yards in history + he supposedly lost the locker room + he was trying to force a press zone scheme when we have man corners who didn't excel in press?

Not to mention that his whole scheme was reliant on getting pressure with the front 4 and that just didn't work. He didn't try to play to their strengths

And

Payton wanted to move to the 3-4, he's been signing for the 3-4 for a couple of years, Bunkley, Jordan, Hicks, Jenkins,