If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC?

DISPLACEDFAN · 09-01-2013, 08:31 PM

I just haven't really seen much of a change. We still have the same guys with the exception of like 2-3 new guys. Rob has never had a great defense any where he has been his defenses have always been middle of the pack crew. He's never had a team in the playoffs which may come to hurt us come that time of the yr. I just don't wanna see our team wasted having one of the best offenses if not best. we could be a dynasty team if we had a decent def.

|Mitch| · 09-01-2013, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

Rob has never had a great defense any where he has been his defenses have always been middle of the pack crew.

He's never had an offense that could hang 40+ either... And I do believe that the Cowboys had a Top 10 defense last year until injuries decimated. We'll never have better than a middle of the pack defense(we're more offense oriented), but all we need is middle of the pack and we're easily in the playoffs

blackangold · 09-01-2013, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

He's never had an offense that could hang 40+ either... And I do believe that the Cowboys had a Top 10 defense last year until injuries decimated. We'll never have better than a middle of the pack defense(we're more offense oriented), but all we need is middle of the pack and we're easily in the playoffs

2010 we had the 4th best defense in total yards...

2010 We had a healthy defense that had attitude and liked to hit... That attitude is coming back and I like what I have seen so far. In 2009 our D was 27th; we jumped to 4th the next season so the impossible can be accomplished.

TheOak · 09-02-2013, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

I just haven't really seen much of a change. We still have the same guys with the exception of like 2-3 new guys. Rob has never had a great defense any where he has been his defenses have always been middle of the pack crew. He's never had a team in the playoffs which may come to hurt us come that time of the yr. I just don't wanna see our team wasted having one of the best offenses if not best. we could be a dynasty team if we had a decent def.

I beg to differ on the 2-3 guys.

Off the top of my head.
Vaccaro
Haralson
Johnson
Foster

We only need middle of the pack.

DISPLACEDFAN · 09-02-2013, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I beg to differ on the 2-3 guys.

Off the top of my head.
Vaccaro
Haralson
Johnson
Foster

We only need middle of the pack.

I don't see anyone of those guys starting all of them are going to platoon.
Vaccaro should start but probably wont granted he'll see a lot of time
J.Jenkins may start at some point as well
Haralson and Foster and Johnson is going to come in off the bench
K.lewis is the only real starter that we have new starting
I just don't expect to see a big difference but hey we can't be any worse than were last yr
Everyone says we only need to be middle of the pack. Well that's hunky dory and good. I want a nasty mean rip your head off turnover causing unit were we don't have to score 40 points and sit on the edge of my seat hoping its gonna be enough for the win
I wanna see some 40-3 games or some shut outs .Don't you guys get tired of standing around the water cooler at work talking about how good the offense is but have to make excuses for the defense

TheOak · 09-02-2013, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

I don't see anyone of those guys starting all of them are going to platoon.
Vaccaro should start but probably wont granted he'll see a lot of time
J.Jenkins may start at some point as well
Haralson and Foster and Johnson is going to come in off the bench
K.lewis is the only real starter that we have new starting
I just don't expect to see a big difference but hey we can't be any worse than were last yr
Everyone says we only need to be middle of the pack. Well that's hunky dory and good. I want a nasty mean rip your head off turnover causing unit were we don't have to score 40 points and sit on the edge of my seat hoping its gonna be enough for the win
I wanna see some 40-3 games or some shut outs .Don't you guys get tired of standing around the water cooler at work talking about how good the offense is but have to make excuses for the defense

I don't make excuses for crap. In the day of salary cap you can either afford an epic offense, an epic defense, or good of both. The rare year where a team has the top offense and defense is an anomaly ... Go back and look, most of your SB winning teams are lopsided.

You define "starter" as in on the first play but defense doesn't work that way, it's about packages and who has to be in to cover what for a good many of those positions. EG we don't sub on defense just to give someone a breather, a lot of it is to put the right package in.

So to tell me someone is going to be in 80% of the time but isn't a starter doesn't compute.

Can we get a snap in regular season play before we are polling the next defensive coordinator?

09-01-2013, 08:31 PM	#1
DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC? I just haven't really seen much of a change. We still have the same guys with the exception of like 2-3 new guys. Rob has never had a great defense any where he has been his defenses have always been middle of the pack crew. He's never had a team in the playoffs which may come to hurt us come that time of the yr. I just don't wanna see our team wasted having one of the best offenses if not best. we could be a dynasty team if we had a decent def.

09-01-2013, 08:36 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC? Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN Rob has never had a great defense any where he has been his defenses have always been middle of the pack crew. He's never had an offense that could hang 40+ either... And I do believe that the Cowboys had a Top 10 defense last year until injuries decimated. We'll never have better than a middle of the pack defense(we're more offense oriented), but all we need is middle of the pack and we're easily in the playoffs SaintFanInATLHELL and savoyk like this.

09-01-2013, 10:43 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| He's never had an offense that could hang 40+ either... And I do believe that the Cowboys had a Top 10 defense last year until injuries decimated. We'll never have better than a middle of the pack defense(we're more offense oriented), but all we need is middle of the pack and we're easily in the playoffs 2010 we had the 4th best defense in total yards... 2010 We had a healthy defense that had attitude and liked to hit... That attitude is coming back and I like what I have seen so far. In 2009 our D was 27th; we jumped to 4th the next season so the impossible can be accomplished.

09-02-2013, 02:17 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC? Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN I just haven't really seen much of a change. We still have the same guys with the exception of like 2-3 new guys. Rob has never had a great defense any where he has been his defenses have always been middle of the pack crew. He's never had a team in the playoffs which may come to hurt us come that time of the yr. I just don't wanna see our team wasted having one of the best offenses if not best. we could be a dynasty team if we had a decent def. I beg to differ on the 2-3 guys. Off the top of my head. Vaccaro Haralson Johnson Foster We only need middle of the pack.

09-02-2013, 02:46 AM	#5
DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC? Originally Posted by TheOak I beg to differ on the 2-3 guys. Off the top of my head. Vaccaro Haralson Johnson Foster We only need middle of the pack. I don't see anyone of those guys starting all of them are going to platoon. Vaccaro should start but probably wont granted he'll see a lot of time J.Jenkins may start at some point as well Haralson and Foster and Johnson is going to come in off the bench K.lewis is the only real starter that we have new starting I just don't expect to see a big difference but hey we can't be any worse than were last yr Everyone says we only need to be middle of the pack. Well that's hunky dory and good. I want a nasty mean rip your head off turnover causing unit were we don't have to score 40 points and sit on the edge of my seat hoping its gonna be enough for the win I wanna see some 40-3 games or some shut outs .Don't you guys get tired of standing around the water cooler at work talking about how good the offense is but have to make excuses for the defense

09-02-2013, 05:05 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC? Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN I don't see anyone of those guys starting all of them are going to platoon. Vaccaro should start but probably wont granted he'll see a lot of time J.Jenkins may start at some point as well Haralson and Foster and Johnson is going to come in off the bench K.lewis is the only real starter that we have new starting I just don't expect to see a big difference but hey we can't be any worse than were last yr Everyone says we only need to be middle of the pack. Well that's hunky dory and good. I want a nasty mean rip your head off turnover causing unit were we don't have to score 40 points and sit on the edge of my seat hoping its gonna be enough for the win I wanna see some 40-3 games or some shut outs .Don't you guys get tired of standing around the water cooler at work talking about how good the offense is but have to make excuses for the defense I don't make excuses for crap. In the day of salary cap you can either afford an epic offense, an epic defense, or good of both. The rare year where a team has the top offense and defense is an anomaly ... Go back and look, most of your SB winning teams are lopsided. You define "starter" as in on the first play but defense doesn't work that way, it's about packages and who has to be in to cover what for a good many of those positions. EG we don't sub on defense just to give someone a breather, a lot of it is to put the right package in. So to tell me someone is going to be in 80% of the time but isn't a starter doesn't compute. Can we get a snap in regular season play before we are polling the next defensive coordinator? Danno, thebdj and saintsfan403 like this.
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