Ingram- What do we do with him?

Danno · 09-16-2013, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Somehow Ingram and the Saints chemistry is just not right...

PT is good for 8-12 touches a game (8 against San Fran type, 12 against Dallas type)...

Sproles is best used for 6-10 touches a game; it's like in Baseball, coming back with the heater after two offspeed pitches; but if you give 'em the heater all the time; they'll figure it out...

Ingram should be a 12-15 touches a game all-around back; but it seems like the mental speed of the NFL game overmatches him; he's not in sync and seems to be thinking too much in stead of his game getting to a reacting, reflex style of running...

I don't know if the Saints coaches trust Cadet, Robinson yet...

We all agree PT is probably a top 10 RB talent wise in the league. But if we give him 10-20 more touches per game he won't last 12 weeks. We absolutely need another RB to take about 15 touches per game from PT/Sproles.

More and more its looking like Ingram just isn't the right fit. I don't know why its not working for him yet, but it doesn't matter, its just not working.

Whats changed from the last nine games of 2012 when he averaged 4.3 YPC (109/468)? He came into 2013 in the best shape of his career, a bit slimmer and was noticably faster and quicker.

Kromer perhaps? Did he really make that big of a difference in Ingram?

I don't know but somethings gotta change.

st thomas · 09-16-2013, 04:34 PM

payton still trying to prove his pick isn't a dud. system fail, reboot with kirhy rob. ingram did not run hard at all in goal line hand offs, he continues to give all his efforts to be back in college with ala. i'm sick of this garbage of rb. sorry i've always given him benifit. it stops here.

Danno · 09-16-2013, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

payton still trying to prove his pick isn't a dud. system fail, reboot with kirhy rob. ingram did not run hard at all in goal line hand offs, he continues to give all his efforts to be back in college with ala. i'm sick of this garbage of rb. sorry i've always given him benifit. it stops here.

Nonsense. He's running hard and giving it his all. Some have suggested he's trying too hard.

And I'm fairly certain he has no plans to go back to college.

DISPLACEDFAN · 09-16-2013, 04:46 PM

For everyone who says Thomas won't last if given more work How do you know that the guy has never been given a chance to touch the ball more than 20 times except twice in all the time he has been here. I think that's the main problem with our running attack we have guys that are situational and the defenses have seen enough tape they know whats going to happen before it happens or at least have a real good idea whats about to go down

DISPLACEDFAN · 09-16-2013, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Nonsense. He's running hard and giving it his all. Some have suggested he's trying too hard.

And I'm fairly certain he has no plans to go back to college.

Open your Eyes Man And Stop Defending the guy. He runs like he is Dragging a Anchor behind him. He is a Back up at best
I hate to be so harsh on the guy but it is what it is

thebdj · 09-16-2013, 04:51 PM

He's wound me right up but I don't doubt he is giving it his all. He doesn't look lazy, just not very good. I don't think we are questioning his mentality, just his out and out ability. I have no doubt he wants to be better. You can see he is frustrated and down. I admire that he cares. He just isn't good enough. End of.

Danno · 09-16-2013, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

Open your Eyes Man And Stop Defending the guy. He runs like he is Dragging a Anchor behind him. He is a Back up at best
I hate to be so harsh on the guy but it is what it is

So you think he isn't trying hard and he's trying to go back to college huh?

Wow, wake up dude, your hate is suffocating your IQ.

Danno · 09-16-2013, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

For everyone who says Thomas won't last if given more work How do you know that the guy has never been given a chance to touch the ball more than 20 times except twice in all the time he has been here. I think that's the main problem with our running attack we have guys that are situational and the defenses have seen enough tape they know whats going to happen before it happens or at least have a real good idea whats about to go down

The coaches are probably still remembering 2010 when he missed 10 games due to injury and we were left with street scubs for the playoffs.

The Dude · 09-16-2013, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Nonsense. He's running hard and giving it his all. Some have suggested he's trying too hard.

And I'm fairly certain he has no plans to go back to college.

I dont question the guys work ethic, but no matter what the reasons are he is not flourishing here. I dont see any improvement, if anything he has regressed. Its time to move on. I dont care what we do with him as long as come gameday hes not on the field. Maybe if we are up by 4 scores it would be fun to put him in and run the hell out of him and see what happens. Doing it during close games is not the time.

Srgt. Hulka · 09-16-2013, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

You have to wonder how many times they are going to keep on doing this before the "insanity definition" kicks in.... Ingram stuffed on the goal line against the Packers with the game on the line in his first game. Ingram stuffed on 4th down at midfield against the Falcons last week. Ingram stuffed on 4th down against the Bucs, again with the game on the line.

Sounds like he should be playing for Mike Smith!

09-16-2013, 04:25 PM	#101
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Somehow Ingram and the Saints chemistry is just not right... PT is good for 8-12 touches a game (8 against San Fran type, 12 against Dallas type)... Sproles is best used for 6-10 touches a game; it's like in Baseball, coming back with the heater after two offspeed pitches; but if you give 'em the heater all the time; they'll figure it out... Ingram should be a 12-15 touches a game all-around back; but it seems like the mental speed of the NFL game overmatches him; he's not in sync and seems to be thinking too much in stead of his game getting to a reacting, reflex style of running... I don't know if the Saints coaches trust Cadet, Robinson yet... We all agree PT is probably a top 10 RB talent wise in the league. But if we give him 10-20 more touches per game he won't last 12 weeks. We absolutely need another RB to take about 15 touches per game from PT/Sproles. More and more its looking like Ingram just isn't the right fit. I don't know why its not working for him yet, but it doesn't matter, its just not working. Whats changed from the last nine games of 2012 when he averaged 4.3 YPC (109/468)? He came into 2013 in the best shape of his career, a bit slimmer and was noticably faster and quicker. Kromer perhaps? Did he really make that big of a difference in Ingram? I don't know but somethings gotta change. thebdj likes this.

09-16-2013, 04:34 PM	#102
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? payton still trying to prove his pick isn't a dud. system fail, reboot with kirhy rob. ingram did not run hard at all in goal line hand offs, he continues to give all his efforts to be back in college with ala. i'm sick of this garbage of rb. sorry i've always given him benifit. it stops here.

09-16-2013, 04:40 PM	#103
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by st thomas payton still trying to prove his pick isn't a dud. system fail, reboot with kirhy rob. ingram did not run hard at all in goal line hand offs, he continues to give all his efforts to be back in college with ala. i'm sick of this garbage of rb. sorry i've always given him benifit. it stops here. Nonsense. He's running hard and giving it his all. Some have suggested he's trying too hard. And I'm fairly certain he has no plans to go back to college.

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DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? For everyone who says Thomas won't last if given more work How do you know that the guy has never been given a chance to touch the ball more than 20 times except twice in all the time he has been here. I think that's the main problem with our running attack we have guys that are situational and the defenses have seen enough tape they know whats going to happen before it happens or at least have a real good idea whats about to go down Popeye likes this.

09-16-2013, 04:50 PM	#105
DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Danno Nonsense. He's running hard and giving it his all. Some have suggested he's trying too hard. And I'm fairly certain he has no plans to go back to college. Open your Eyes Man And Stop Defending the guy. He runs like he is Dragging a Anchor behind him. He is a Back up at best I hate to be so harsh on the guy but it is what it is st thomas likes this.

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09-16-2013, 04:51 PM	#106
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? He's wound me right up but I don't doubt he is giving it his all. He doesn't look lazy, just not very good. I don't think we are questioning his mentality, just his out and out ability. I have no doubt he wants to be better. You can see he is frustrated and down. I admire that he cares. He just isn't good enough. End of.

09-16-2013, 04:52 PM	#107
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN Open your Eyes Man And Stop Defending the guy. He runs like he is Dragging a Anchor behind him. He is a Back up at best I hate to be so harsh on the guy but it is what it is So you think he isn't trying hard and he's trying to go back to college huh? Wow, wake up dude, your hate is suffocating your IQ.

09-16-2013, 04:53 PM	#108
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN For everyone who says Thomas won't last if given more work How do you know that the guy has never been given a chance to touch the ball more than 20 times except twice in all the time he has been here. I think that's the main problem with our running attack we have guys that are situational and the defenses have seen enough tape they know whats going to happen before it happens or at least have a real good idea whats about to go down The coaches are probably still remembering 2010 when he missed 10 games due to injury and we were left with street scubs for the playoffs.

09-16-2013, 04:56 PM	#109
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,076	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Danno Nonsense. He's running hard and giving it his all. Some have suggested he's trying too hard. And I'm fairly certain he has no plans to go back to college. I dont question the guys work ethic, but no matter what the reasons are he is not flourishing here. I dont see any improvement, if anything he has regressed. Its time to move on. I dont care what we do with him as long as come gameday hes not on the field. Maybe if we are up by 4 scores it would be fun to put him in and run the hell out of him and see what happens. Doing it during close games is not the time.
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09-16-2013, 04:58 PM	#110
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by SaintsBro You have to wonder how many times they are going to keep on doing this before the "insanity definition" kicks in.... Ingram stuffed on the goal line against the Packers with the game on the line in his first game. Ingram stuffed on 4th down at midfield against the Falcons last week. Ingram stuffed on 4th down against the Bucs, again with the game on the line. Sounds like he should be playing for Mike Smith!

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