Ingram- What do we do with him?

halloween 65 · 09-17-2013, 12:59 PM

I believe that it wasn't enough is because he sat on the bench once he got it jumpstarted.

TheOak · 09-17-2013, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

In all seriousness ... No team can draft 2 Heisman winning running backs where both turn out to busts and the team should be given a free pass to not even consider it might not be a problem with the backs but scheme , blocking etc ... Very different running styles , very different Offensive Line blocking for both in College. The odds of Bush and Ingram being so radically different both being busts are slim to none. It's on us , we're doing something very wrong which is why Sean Payton has been forcing Ingram so much so. He's evaluated so much film in that off year it's probably not even funny. He doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. Different things made them great , but they both had something in common around the same time they were being called busts ... The Saints

We can do the adult thing and admit our O Line couldn't clear enough ground for an ant to squeak through or we can make the same childish 4 year old finger pointing mistake as usual.

Fact , any and everytime Ingram , Sproles , Thomas , Robinson , Ivory , Bell , Bush , Collins , Cadet , get's a decent blocking line , They Shine ...

For 2 weeks I have watched this line get massacred and barely squeak by. Even on Drew's highlight throws he's a millisecond from being sacked. ( Umneyoira on the Colston throw ) This cannot continue , I haven't seen Brees hit that hard and often in a very long time !

You have a point... The New Orleans Saints damage Running Back talent.

Pierre Thomas ~ Most Underrated Running Back in the NFL
Darren Sproles ~ Got better when he came to New Orleans
Chris Ivory ~ Never averaged less than 4.7 YPC
Deuce McAllister ~ The Deuce.. Enough Said

Reggie Bush ~ Was not a bust... no more than he was in Miami, and I dont recall anyone calling him a bust. Reggie was let go because of the same reason we let Chris Ivory go.. Couldn't stay healthy. Reggie Bush had his most productive seasons rushing and receiving as a Saint. He had ONE season where he played more than 15 games for New Orleans. Reggie Bush scored more TD's per year as a Saint than a Dolphin.
Reggie Bush: Career Stats at NFL.com

And Reggie bush was a hell of a lot more productive than Mark Ingram...

You are way off base. And the number of Heisman Trophy RBs we have destroyed is 3... You may as well tack on Rickey Williams.

The correct synopsis would be that Heisman Trophy winning Running Backs do not pan out in the NFL with high powered passing offenses... Or you could say that the NCAA has not produced a Heisman Trophy winning RB worth two ****z in the last 24 years...Period

Here are all of your last HT Winning RB for the last 20 years
Mark Ingram
Reggie Bush
Ron Dayne
Rickey Williams

You have to go back 25+ years to find a Heisman Trophy winning RB that did something in the NFL
Barry Sanders 1988
Bo Jackson 1985

Tobias-Reiper · 09-17-2013, 01:31 PM

"We" don't do anything.

RaginCajun83 · 09-17-2013, 01:34 PM

better get out the way, Oak and his facts are back. Can't wait to see who tries to disprove these

voodooido · 09-17-2013, 01:51 PM

Give him away for a rd 5. He is trash. I would trade him to the Russian league and have his citizanship revoked.

exile · 09-17-2013, 01:53 PM

You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either. Why not start with having the O-Line block someone?

saintsfan1976 · 09-17-2013, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by exile

You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either. Why not start with having the O-Line block someone?

Or having the RB beat some ONE?

exile · 09-17-2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Or having the RB beat some ONE?

You mean beat FOUR someones?

Jack Vegas · 09-17-2013, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by exile

You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either.

I beg to differ. Look behind Ingram's right shoulder on that run, there is a gaping cutback lane and all you have to do is shake one guy just enough to wriggle through. PT has made that kind of play so many times in his career it's not even funny.

Mardigras9 · 09-17-2013, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by exile

You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either. Why not start with having the O-Line block someone?

Don't agree with you here.
PT seems to get the yard he needs the majority of the time.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? I believe that it wasn't enough is because he sat on the bench once he got it jumpstarted.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Saintaintso In all seriousness ... No team can draft 2 Heisman winning running backs where both turn out to busts and the team should be given a free pass to not even consider it might not be a problem with the backs but scheme , blocking etc ... Very different running styles , very different Offensive Line blocking for both in College. The odds of Bush and Ingram being so radically different both being busts are slim to none. It's on us , we're doing something very wrong which is why Sean Payton has been forcing Ingram so much so. He's evaluated so much film in that off year it's probably not even funny. He doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. Different things made them great , but they both had something in common around the same time they were being called busts ... The Saints We can do the adult thing and admit our O Line couldn't clear enough ground for an ant to squeak through or we can make the same childish 4 year old finger pointing mistake as usual. Fact , any and everytime Ingram , Sproles , Thomas , Robinson , Ivory , Bell , Bush , Collins , Cadet , get's a decent blocking line , They Shine ... For 2 weeks I have watched this line get massacred and barely squeak by. Even on Drew's highlight throws he's a millisecond from being sacked. ( Umneyoira on the Colston throw ) This cannot continue , I haven't seen Brees hit that hard and often in a very long time ! You have a point... The New Orleans Saints damage Running Back talent. Pierre Thomas ~ Most Underrated Running Back in the NFL Darren Sproles ~ Got better when he came to New Orleans Chris Ivory ~ Never averaged less than 4.7 YPC Deuce McAllister ~ The Deuce.. Enough Said Reggie Bush ~ Was not a bust... no more than he was in Miami, and I dont recall anyone calling him a bust. Reggie was let go because of the same reason we let Chris Ivory go.. Couldn't stay healthy. Reggie Bush had his most productive seasons rushing and receiving as a Saint. He had ONE season where he played more than 15 games for New Orleans. Reggie Bush scored more TD's per year as a Saint than a Dolphin. Reggie Bush: Career Stats at NFL.com And Reggie bush was a hell of a lot more productive than Mark Ingram... You are way off base. And the number of Heisman Trophy RBs we have destroyed is 3... You may as well tack on Rickey Williams. The correct synopsis would be that Heisman Trophy winning Running Backs do not pan out in the NFL with high powered passing offenses... Or you could say that the NCAA has not produced a Heisman Trophy winning RB worth two ****z in the last 24 years...Period Here are all of your last HT Winning RB for the last 20 years Mark Ingram Reggie Bush Ron Dayne Rickey Williams You have to go back 25+ years to find a Heisman Trophy winning RB that did something in the NFL Barry Sanders 1988 Bo Jackson 1985 ScottyRo, RaginCajun83 and blackangold like this.
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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by exile You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either. I beg to differ. Look behind Ingram's right shoulder on that run, there is a gaping cutback lane and all you have to do is shake one guy just enough to wriggle through. PT has made that kind of play so many times in his career it's not even funny. Popeye likes this.
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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by exile You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either. Why not start with having the O-Line block someone? Don't agree with you here. PT seems to get the yard he needs the majority of the time. Boutte likes this.

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