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rezburna 11-12-2013 08:08 PM
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I was ready to turn on Mark Ingram. I'll never doubt him again. I agree with Danno. He's usually met by a host of defenders. When he's not he's excellent. I also believe we need to keep him in there longer. He should only be rotated out when tired, or for Sproles plays.

ChrisXVI 11-12-2013 08:46 PM
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I'm not an Ingram hater, but when we're not facing a horrible defense this weekend and his stat line reverts back to the usual 10 carries for 20 yards... I think we'll have a little more perspective again and not call people who have been critical of Ingram 'fair weather fans.'

The Dude 11-12-2013 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 547619)
I'm not an Ingram hater, but when we're not facing a horrible defense this weekend and his stat line reverts back to the usual 10 carries for 20 yards... I think we'll have a little more perspective again and not call people who have been critical of Ingram 'fair weather fans.'
Even if he does have a few decent games sprinkled in its not going to make up for the 3 years of crap he has shown us thus far.

blackangold 11-13-2013 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 547528)
This is by Far the stupidest thing I've heard today ... He Broke over 7 Tackles , Made 3 or 4 Great Cuts at the second level and never got tackled by just one defender , Before you open your mouth you should review the film ... It took on average 5 Cowboys to bring him down. Even on his 1 yard run the Announcer was amazed at how many Defenders it took to fully impede his progress. The guy Flat out looked like Adrian Peterson ... PT and Sproles got the same blocking but didn't average over 5 that game , INGRAM was a sure fire 1st down averaging 10 yards every time he got the ball ... How can one be this blind ?

The even sadder thing about this is , If we could've blocked for Reggie Like this , He would've been the USC Reggie Bush we all loved so much. Running backs don't have a say in how productive they are , they line does.
Calling someone stupid and then saying ingram looked like Adrian Peterson .... ah.... okay. If Peterson had that same blocking you would be looking at 250+ and 2 or 3 tds..

Ingram did well but your getting carried away.

TheOak 11-13-2013 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 547607)
to be fair...

Career
313 attempts - 1,271 yards - 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are average numbers for a running back. Not good, not bad, just about average.

And while Sundays great performance was only one game against a terrible defense, there are 29 more games in that average and some of those games were against very good defenses.
I have stated many times that Mark Ingram is an average running back, nothing more or less. Very few fans manage their expectations of him though.. He has 1 great game and he is compared to Marshawn Lynch.. fans are called haters... and we should all of a sudden turn over the work load to him. He has bad games and the opposite crowd says he needs to be traded, or benched.

If fans would recognize him for what he is there wouldn't be the roller coaster of reactions. He was a first round Heisman trophy winning draft pick and with that comes very high expectations, so in regards to expectations he has yet to succeed.

The difference between Ingram and Thomas is not YPC.. its that PT came in as an undrafted free agent and earned his passes by grinding out great running back play. Ingram came in as a first round draft pick and hasn't earned a pass on a bad game, or strung enough good games together to change many peoples perception of him, and that my friend is it in a nut shell.

Danno 11-13-2013 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547675)
I have stated many times that Mark Ingram is an average running back, nothing more or less. Very few fans manage their expectations of him though.. He has 1 great game and he is compared to Marshawn Lynch.. fans are called haters... and we should all of a sudden turn over the work load to him. He has bad games and the opposite crowd says he needs to be traded, or benched.

If fans would recognize him for what he is there wouldn't be the roller coaster of reactions. He was a first round Heisman trophy winning draft pick and with that comes very high expectations, so in regards to expectations he has yet to succeed.

The difference between Ingram and Thomas is not YPC.. its that PT came in as an undrafted free agent and earned his passes by grinding out great running back play. Ingram came in as a first round draft pick and hasn't earned a pass on a bad game, or strung enough good games together to change many peoples perception of him, and that my friend is it in a nut shell.
For me personally, I view it as too many people claim he's a bust, he's awful, he's the worst in the NFL, cut him now.

I think what we're seeing is just a backlash against the extreme negativity and misinformed hate toward him earlier.

He's not nearly as "great" as some have recently suggested, but he damn sure was nowhere near as bad as many kept harping on.

And where he was drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad Mark Ingram is as a RB.

And PT isn't some cheap off the street RB anymore. He was given an 11 million contract a few years ago. Ingram is our 3rd highest paid RB behind Sproles/Thomas.

TheOak 11-13-2013 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 547683)
For me personally, I view it as too many people claim he's a bust, he's awful, he's the worst in the NFL, cut him now.

I think what we're seeing is just a backlash against the extreme negativity and misinformed hate toward him earlier.

He's not nearly as "great" as some have recently suggested, but he damn sure was nowhere near as bad as many kept harping on.

And where he was drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad Mark Ingram is as a RB.

And PT isn't some cheap off the street RB anymore. He was given an 11 million contract a few years ago. Ingram is our 3rd highest paid RB behind Sproles/Thomas.
The subjective aspect is something I had to work on... As you know I am firmly grounded in empirical data.

Great and bad are subjective terms and that is very much dependent on expectations and the perception of value.

What spurred a good majority of the bad taste for Ingram? It wasn't his YPC, it was all of the 1-2 yard First down markers, and 2-3 yard TDs he failed to get.

Now, Ingram says he can do better, a lot of people including out Front Office think he can do better... if they didn't he wouldn't have been drafted.

All that is left it for him to prove it. Dallas was a fantastic start but if he doesn't continue, are he and Hartley going to sit next to each other on the plane for the next 10 seasons?

rezburna 11-13-2013 10:03 AM
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If he stays healthy, he'll be exactly what everyone wants him to be. He just needs the carries. I like that swing pass they threw him too.

spkb25 11-13-2013 10:18 AM
Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 547683)
For me personally, I view it as too many people claim he's a bust, he's awful, he's the worst in the NFL, cut him now.

I think what we're seeing is just a backlash against the extreme negativity and misinformed hate toward him earlier..
No, I think what you're seeing is the normal fan who looks at one game and concludes that as an entire body of work. Pull the post about Vince Young after the national title win- nearly the entire board swore he was the greatest thing since forever.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 547683)
He's not nearly as "great" as some have recently suggested, but he damn sure was nowhere near as bad as many kept harping on.
Agreed, but when you give what we gave you're expected to be great.. fair or not

CoreyO 11-13-2013 10:56 AM
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I think he would do a lot better if they would call the plays at the right time and be more balanced with running a run game, of course the blocking needs to get better but there are multiple things that come into play


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