2014 NFL Draft

hagan714 · 01-29-2014, 08:03 PM

we have a ton of small fast OLB already that play three downs. we need beef for the run downs. keep the rush guys fresh.

in the games that count the most, the elite match ups, you need bull rushers that can anchor the ends. watch the last TD run in Seattle. you will see what i mean.

if we go that rout i am looking at trent murphy types

jeanpierre · 01-30-2014, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

we have a ton of small fast OLB already that play three downs. we need beef for the run downs. keep the rush guys fresh.

in the games that count the most, the elite match ups, you need bull rushers that can anchor the ends. watch the last TD run in Seattle. you will see what i mean.

if we go that route i am looking at trent murphy types

Rewatched the last Seattle matchup...

Our defense did a helluva job on Lynch (loved de stuck it to the PFWA) with tackling breakdowns by Inside LBs (Lofton, Hawthorne) and the Safeties (Jenkins, Harper) doing the Beastmode damage...

Now, Good News is our defensive line is only facing FA loss in Tom Johnson, injured for some of the season; really like our line now of Jordan/Walker, Bunkley/Jenkins, Hicks/Foster...

But Cam Jordan's new contract is looming in 2015...

Only FA 34 defensive end I'd add would be Tyson Jackson, but...

Free Agency will be limited because of cap room (Graham should be tagged, non-exclusive), so...

Agree that we still have great need for LB - we've started the transition to the 34 so we need to get some 6-2 to 6-4 linebackers in the 230lb-255lb range and who can hit with authoriti'...

I'm not sold Lofton nor Hawthorne are natural fits for the 34 defense; but their contract situations make it prohibitive to release them this season for cap space...*

Expiring contracts on Herring and Humber (who were great in their roles) have created need to draft at least two linebackers who are flexible and can be developed for starting play by 2015...

Kevin Reddick will have a huge opportunity this offseason...

Junior Galette is a big OLB (former DE), under contract and has played solidly in the pass...

Parys Haralson is now a free agent, now 30+, and a torn pectoral muscle...

Victor Butler is rehabbing a serious knee injury (which seems to be going well by his effort to attempt to play in late season), but there's that uncertainty...

A first round pick does seems plausible, but that investment requires that player to start and have an impact with likely candidates in Kyle Van Noy, Trent Murphy, Ryan Shazier and Dee Ford...

Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu, out of position as DE in 43 this year had great success at OLB in 34 in previous seasons; noted by coaches at Senior Bowl for playing multiple LB positions, his work ethic and progression during week and could be had for a late second round pick investment...

We've got a good start rebuilding the backstop with Vaccaro and Bush, though we're gonna need depth there...

Vaccaro has proved to be a brilliant draft pick; guy reminds me of a velociraptor...

Bush outplayed Jenkins (again), but could clean up some parts of his game (coverage) - but he hits with passion which this defense needs...

Harper's contract and debatable play makes him an afterthought...

Late in the season, we learned an old lesson at a different position - you can never have too many cornerbacks...

It's early mocking, players all over the place, but if Justin Gilbert falls to the early 20's pick range, that close, we should make that move as he'd be the only cornerback I'd draft in the first round...

Corey White was inconsistent which experience should remedy ball location (not so sure Samford alum shouldn't be playing safety) but he'll be fine as a big physical second or nickel back...

*» Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2013 Salary Cap and Contracts

hagan714 · 01-30-2014, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rewatched the last Seattle matchup...

painful huh the luck any team has running on us is on the edges, Originally Posted by jeanpierre

But Cam Jordan's new contract is looming in 2015...

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

much better year to sign Cam but i think we will have a Tagged player issue again next year.
Originally Posted by jeanpierre

A first round pick does seems plausible, but that investment requires that player to start and have an impact with likely candidates in Kyle Van Noy, Trent Murphy, Ryan Shazier and Dee Ford...

Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu who played out of position as a DE in a 43 this past year had more success in the 34 at OLB in previous seasons; of note, he played multiple LB positions at the Senior Bowl and was noted for his work ethic and progression each day and could be had for a late second round pick...

Trent Murphy appears to be the best option at shutting down an edge but man he is not the fastest cat around. DE/OLB seem to be a year of "up side"
Kyle Van Noy is looking to be hands down the best LB for pass coverage in the draft.
Jeremiah Attaochu i see another pass rush specialist here.

as for the rest of the story. i agree

see i am a buzz kill i stick with you can never have enough players at any given position when drafting.

ChrisXVI · 01-31-2014, 10:15 PM

Tons of people seem to have us taking Scott Chrichton from Oregon State in the first round. Who the hell is this guy and why is he such a popular choice for us in the first round?? I never heard of him until recent mock drafts.

jeanpierre · 02-01-2014, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Tons of people seem to have us taking Scott Chrichton from Oregon State in the first round. Who the hell is this guy and why is he such a popular choice for us in the first round?? I never heard of him until recent mock drafts.

He's another "Tweener" Defender - Small Defensive End, Oversized OLB type...compares best to Elvis Dumervil type of player...at the college level he used elite quickness to slip by tackles for sacks, tackles for loss...

Chrichton, Michael Sam and Dee Ford have some obvious risk for a first, second rounder as they're great players in a one-trick pony role...

Questions...

Because of their size, they will be limited at point of attack, will they still have their speed advantage vs athleticism of NFL tackles?

How many years, two-three, before they slow down and that's gone?!?

I see a similar situation as Miami's No. 3 overall pick Dion Jordan; slapped into a DE role, his speed advantage is not what it was in college and he's struggled...

Look at our 2013 NFL draft and the example of the impact a first round pick can have...

hagan714 · 02-01-2014, 09:10 AM

i just do not get it. pass rushing has gotten so over hyped it over shadows total skill package.

DE has to set the edge. thats the first thing you learn at that postion.

next can he bull rush and collapse the pocket.

that what this team needs

jeanpierre · 02-02-2014, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i just do not get it. pass rushing has gotten so over hyped it over shadows total skill package.

DE has to set the edge. thats the first thing you learn at that postion.

next can he bull rush and collapse the pocket.

that what this team needs

The pass rush hype is due to two reasons:

First, the league is passing at an all-time rate...

Second, new pass coverage rules means you have to find other ways to stop the pass, so you stop the passer if you can't touch the receiver...

The Saints found something though when they started running the ball, the other team can't pass and run if they don't have the ball as long...

hagan714 · 02-03-2014, 04:45 AM

JP solid aguement but as seattle has proved bull rushing on 1st and 2nd downs works. speed rush on 3rd or obvious passing down where the DE loops wide.

the bull rush maintains the edge and controls the pocket. that is what this defense is missing on running downs. plus we could not get pressure on a QB way to many times last year with a 4 man rush.

JR put up some great number for the spot lights but too many times he was just riden out of a play due to his style of play. speed kills also.

this teams need finishing touches to fill in the voids not add to an area of strength.

plus i am sure JR would love to have a better rotation, he played way to many snaps last year. it actually hurt his productivity in my opinion.

Not picking on JR here he is just an example. the same can be said with the entire DL as well.

jeanpierre · 02-03-2014, 08:36 PM

Next Up...

NFL Scouting Combine - NFL.com

Saturday 22 February 2014

K Major · 02-03-2014, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Next Up...

NFL Scouting Combine - NFL.com

Saturday 22 February 2014

Wow, right around the corner.

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Safety	12	13.33%
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Center	26	28.89%
Cornerback	29	32.22%
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01-29-2014, 08:03 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft we have a ton of small fast OLB already that play three downs. we need beef for the run downs. keep the rush guys fresh. in the games that count the most, the elite match ups, you need bull rushers that can anchor the ends. watch the last TD run in Seattle. you will see what i mean. if we go that rout i am looking at trent murphy types

01-30-2014, 05:10 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 we have a ton of small fast OLB already that play three downs. we need beef for the run downs. keep the rush guys fresh. in the games that count the most, the elite match ups, you need bull rushers that can anchor the ends. watch the last TD run in Seattle. you will see what i mean. if we go that route i am looking at trent murphy types Rewatched the last Seattle matchup... Our defense did a helluva job on Lynch (loved de stuck it to the PFWA) with tackling breakdowns by Inside LBs (Lofton, Hawthorne) and the Safeties (Jenkins, Harper) doing the Beastmode damage... Now, Good News is our defensive line is only facing FA loss in Tom Johnson, injured for some of the season; really like our line now of Jordan/Walker, Bunkley/Jenkins, Hicks/Foster... But Cam Jordan's new contract is looming in 2015... Only FA 34 defensive end I'd add would be Tyson Jackson, but... Free Agency will be limited because of cap room (Graham should be tagged, non-exclusive), so... Agree that we still have great need for LB - we've started the transition to the 34 so we need to get some 6-2 to 6-4 linebackers in the 230lb-255lb range and who can hit with authoriti'... I'm not sold Lofton nor Hawthorne are natural fits for the 34 defense; but their contract situations make it prohibitive to release them this season for cap space...* Expiring contracts on Herring and Humber (who were great in their roles) have created need to draft at least two linebackers who are flexible and can be developed for starting play by 2015... Kevin Reddick will have a huge opportunity this offseason... Junior Galette is a big OLB (former DE), under contract and has played solidly in the pass... Parys Haralson is now a free agent, now 30+, and a torn pectoral muscle... Victor Butler is rehabbing a serious knee injury (which seems to be going well by his effort to attempt to play in late season), but there's that uncertainty... A first round pick does seems plausible, but that investment requires that player to start and have an impact with likely candidates in Kyle Van Noy, Trent Murphy, Ryan Shazier and Dee Ford... Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu, out of position as DE in 43 this year had great success at OLB in 34 in previous seasons; noted by coaches at Senior Bowl for playing multiple LB positions, his work ethic and progression during week and could be had for a late second round pick investment... We've got a good start rebuilding the backstop with Vaccaro and Bush, though we're gonna need depth there... Vaccaro has proved to be a brilliant draft pick; guy reminds me of a velociraptor... Bush outplayed Jenkins (again), but could clean up some parts of his game (coverage) - but he hits with passion which this defense needs... Harper's contract and debatable play makes him an afterthought... Late in the season, we learned an old lesson at a different position - you can never have too many cornerbacks... It's early mocking, players all over the place, but if Justin Gilbert falls to the early 20's pick range, that close, we should make that move as he'd be the only cornerback I'd draft in the first round... Corey White was inconsistent which experience should remedy ball location (not so sure Samford alum shouldn't be playing safety) but he'll be fine as a big physical second or nickel back... *» Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2013 Salary Cap and Contracts
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01-30-2014, 05:27 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rewatched the last Seattle matchup... painful huh the luck any team has running on us is on the edges, Originally Posted by jeanpierre But Cam Jordan's new contract is looming in 2015... Originally Posted by jeanpierre much better year to sign Cam but i think we will have a Tagged player issue again next year. Originally Posted by jeanpierre A first round pick does seems plausible, but that investment requires that player to start and have an impact with likely candidates in Kyle Van Noy, Trent Murphy, Ryan Shazier and Dee Ford... Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu who played out of position as a DE in a 43 this past year had more success in the 34 at OLB in previous seasons; of note, he played multiple LB positions at the Senior Bowl and was noted for his work ethic and progression each day and could be had for a late second round pick... Trent Murphy appears to be the best option at shutting down an edge but man he is not the fastest cat around. DE/OLB seem to be a year of "up side" Kyle Van Noy is looking to be hands down the best LB for pass coverage in the draft. Jeremiah Attaochu i see another pass rush specialist here. as for the rest of the story. i agree see i am a buzz kill i stick with you can never have enough players at any given position when drafting.
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01-31-2014, 10:15 PM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Tons of people seem to have us taking Scott Chrichton from Oregon State in the first round. Who the hell is this guy and why is he such a popular choice for us in the first round?? I never heard of him until recent mock drafts.

02-01-2014, 05:36 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Tons of people seem to have us taking Scott Chrichton from Oregon State in the first round. Who the hell is this guy and why is he such a popular choice for us in the first round?? I never heard of him until recent mock drafts. He's another "Tweener" Defender - Small Defensive End, Oversized OLB type...compares best to Elvis Dumervil type of player...at the college level he used elite quickness to slip by tackles for sacks, tackles for loss... Chrichton, Michael Sam and Dee Ford have some obvious risk for a first, second rounder as they're great players in a one-trick pony role... Questions... Because of their size, they will be limited at point of attack, will they still have their speed advantage vs athleticism of NFL tackles? How many years, two-three, before they slow down and that's gone?!? I see a similar situation as Miami's No. 3 overall pick Dion Jordan; slapped into a DE role, his speed advantage is not what it was in college and he's struggled... Look at our 2013 NFL draft and the example of the impact a first round pick can have...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

02-01-2014, 09:10 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft i just do not get it. pass rushing has gotten so over hyped it over shadows total skill package. DE has to set the edge. thats the first thing you learn at that postion. next can he bull rush and collapse the pocket. that what this team needs

02-02-2014, 12:32 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 i just do not get it. pass rushing has gotten so over hyped it over shadows total skill package. DE has to set the edge. thats the first thing you learn at that postion. next can he bull rush and collapse the pocket. that what this team needs The pass rush hype is due to two reasons: First, the league is passing at an all-time rate... Second, new pass coverage rules means you have to find other ways to stop the pass, so you stop the passer if you can't touch the receiver... The Saints found something though when they started running the ball, the other team can't pass and run if they don't have the ball as long...

02-03-2014, 04:45 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft JP solid aguement but as seattle has proved bull rushing on 1st and 2nd downs works. speed rush on 3rd or obvious passing down where the DE loops wide. the bull rush maintains the edge and controls the pocket. that is what this defense is missing on running downs. plus we could not get pressure on a QB way to many times last year with a 4 man rush. JR put up some great number for the spot lights but too many times he was just riden out of a play due to his style of play. speed kills also. this teams need finishing touches to fill in the voids not add to an area of strength. plus i am sure JR would love to have a better rotation, he played way to many snaps last year. it actually hurt his productivity in my opinion. Not picking on JR here he is just an example. the same can be said with the entire DL as well.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

02-03-2014, 08:36 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Next Up... NFL Scouting Combine - NFL.com Saturday 22 February 2014

02-03-2014, 08:39 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Next Up... NFL Scouting Combine - NFL.com Saturday 22 February 2014 Wow, right around the corner.

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