2014 NFL Draft

jeanpierre · 02-23-2014, 06:21 PM

Am I the only one that expected a better 40 yard dash time from Johnny Manziel?

For a short quarterback, I expected a 4.4 or better...

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am I the only one that expected a better 40 yard dash time from Johnny Manziel?

For a short quarterback, I expected a 4.4 or better...

Wilson ran a 4.55 and is shorter than Manziell. These are QBs brother.

40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed.

exile · 02-24-2014, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed.

I have to disagree with you a bit here Oak. QBs times used to be moot but with today's hybrid QBs. It's a big deal.

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by exile

I have to disagree with you a bit here Oak. QBs times used to be moot but with today's hybrid QBs. It's a big deal.

Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important.

E.g. 20 yard shuttle. 3 cone drill.. Explosiveness and agility. It is more important that a QB can duck, dive, dodge a wrench than cover 40 yards.

Manziel was 4th in the 40 but #1 in the 20 yard shuttle.

QBs rarely cover 40 yards in a play.

exile · 02-24-2014, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important.

I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that.

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by exile

I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that.

99% of QBs only get to open field because of quickness. Newton is a different dynamic because he can break arm tackles to get free. Wilson and Kaepernick get to open field through quickness.

jeanpierre · 02-27-2014, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Wilson ran a 4.55 and is shorter than Manziell. These are QBs brother.

40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed.

Right.

But Wilson was drafted in the third round...

There talking about these guys in the first round...

Look, I hope these teams burn a 1R pick on a short QB...

I just don't want MY team burning a first rounder on a QB unless he's a proto-type passer, 6-3 or better, cannon for an arm and one of Dan Marino's Love Ilk...

And, if'n he's under that, he better smoke jokes that can't run a 4.4 with 'em if he's gonna take our first round pick in a draft...

TheOak · 02-28-2014, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Right.

But Wilson was drafted in the third round...

There talking about these guys in the first round...

Look, I hope these teams burn a 1R pick on a short QB...

I just don't want MY team burning a first rounder on a QB unless he's a proto-type passer, 6-3 or better, cannon for an arm and one of Dan Marino's Love Ilk...

And, if'n he's under that, he better smoke jokes that can't run a 4.4 with 'em if he's gonna take our first round pick in a draft...

Mettenberger?

Kerwin on NFLSirius interviewed him yesterday, good kid and prototypical pocket passer with an arm.

jeanpierre · 02-28-2014, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Mettenberger?

Kerwin on NFLSirius interviewed him yesterday, good kid and prototypical pocket passer with an arm.

Man, this is when you wish you could sit in on the interviews...

I've got questions about his moxie, big questions...

TheOak · 02-28-2014, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Man, this is when you wish you could sit in on the interviews...

I've got questions about his moxie, big questions...

He was articulate, when asked which NFL QB he most resembles... He played the cards well.

Names no one.. Went on to sell him self as a picket passer that can take a hit with out fear. Admitted he isn't a "mobile QB by today's standards (Wilson/Kaepernick), but is athletic and mobile like a Brees/Manning/Brady, he even elaborated and said he is not going to break out a 40 yard run like Manziel but he will move 12" to make a defensive player miss".

6'5", great touch, long arm, moves up in the pocket when he "feels" pressure so he has great pocket awareness.

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I am not an LSU homer, if i watched any college games last year it was watching the Manziel circus act.

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02-24-2014, 07:11 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am I the only one that expected a better 40 yard dash time from Johnny Manziel? For a short quarterback, I expected a 4.4 or better... Wilson ran a 4.55 and is shorter than Manziell. These are QBs brother. 40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed.

02-24-2014, 09:10 AM	#3
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by TheOak 40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed. I have to disagree with you a bit here Oak. QBs times used to be moot but with today's hybrid QBs. It's a big deal.
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02-24-2014, 09:25 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile I have to disagree with you a bit here Oak. QBs times used to be moot but with today's hybrid QBs. It's a big deal. Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important. E.g. 20 yard shuttle. 3 cone drill.. Explosiveness and agility. It is more important that a QB can duck, dive, dodge a wrench than cover 40 yards. Manziel was 4th in the 40 but #1 in the 20 yard shuttle. QBs rarely cover 40 yards in a play.
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02-24-2014, 09:32 AM	#5
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by TheOak Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important. I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that.
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02-23-2014, 06:21 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Am I the only one that expected a better 40 yard dash time from Johnny Manziel? For a short quarterback, I expected a 4.4 or better...

02-24-2014, 09:35 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that. 99% of QBs only get to open field because of quickness. Newton is a different dynamic because he can break arm tackles to get free. Wilson and Kaepernick get to open field through quickness.

02-27-2014, 07:03 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by TheOak Wilson ran a 4.55 and is shorter than Manziell. These are QBs brother. 40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed. Right. But Wilson was drafted in the third round... There talking about these guys in the first round... Look, I hope these teams burn a 1R pick on a short QB... I just don't want MY team burning a first rounder on a QB unless he's a proto-type passer, 6-3 or better, cannon for an arm and one of Dan Marino's Love Ilk... And, if'n he's under that, he better smoke jokes that can't run a 4.4 with 'em if he's gonna take our first round pick in a draft...
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02-28-2014, 04:20 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Right. But Wilson was drafted in the third round... There talking about these guys in the first round... Look, I hope these teams burn a 1R pick on a short QB... I just don't want MY team burning a first rounder on a QB unless he's a proto-type passer, 6-3 or better, cannon for an arm and one of Dan Marino's Love Ilk... And, if'n he's under that, he better smoke jokes that can't run a 4.4 with 'em if he's gonna take our first round pick in a draft... Mettenberger? Kerwin on NFLSirius interviewed him yesterday, good kid and prototypical pocket passer with an arm.

02-28-2014, 05:19 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by TheOak Mettenberger? Kerwin on NFLSirius interviewed him yesterday, good kid and prototypical pocket passer with an arm. Man, this is when you wish you could sit in on the interviews... I've got questions about his moxie, big questions...

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