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Re-do since Strief was resigned

27. DEE FORD - OLB - AUBURN

58. DONTE MONCRIEF - WR - MISSISSIPPI

91. KEITH MCGILL - CB - UTAH

122. MARCUS MARTIN - C - USC

155. JEFF JANIS - WR - SAGINAW VALLEY STATE

157. CHRIS DAVIS - CB - AUBURN

186. DRI ARCHER - RB/KR - KENT STATE

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all but DEE Ford. for some reason i just can not jump on his band wagon

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lber is a definitely a area we need to get better and deeper at.

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This one's not too bad.

27
ILB C.J. MOSLEY
ALABAMA
58
CB STANLEY JEAN- BAPTISTE
NEBRASKA
91
WR JARVIS LANDRY
LSU
122
OLB ADRIAN HUBBARD
ALABAMA
155
OT AUSTIN WENTWORTH
FRESNO STATE
157
C JAMES STONE
TENNESSEE
186
K CAIRO SANTOS
TULANE

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how about the saints reload for the future? add some solid depth prospects

27
WR JORDAN MATTHEWS
VANDERBILT
58
WR DONTE MONCRIEF
MISSISSIPPI
91
C WESTON RICHBURG
COLORADO STATE
122
RB CHARLES SIMS
WVU
155
CB PHILLIP GAINES
RICE
157
CB DONTAE JOHNSON
NORTH CAROLINA STATE
186
OT JUSTIN BRITT
MISSOURI

it was interesting to see the effect taking WR in one and two had on the board

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how about a gift falls into our laps at 27 and we go defense with offense sprinkled in


27
DT LOUIS NIX
NOTRE DAME
58
CB STANLEY JEAN-BAPTISTE
NEBRASKA
91
LB CHRISTIAN JONES
FLORIDA STATE
122
C BRYAN STORK
FLORIDA STATE
155
CB WALT AIKENS
LIBERTY
157
DE JOSH MAURO
STANFORD
186
WR JOSH HUFF
OREGON

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This would make me happy

27
DE KONY EALY/Dee Ford

58
WR DONTE MONCRIEF

91
TE TROY NIKLAS

122
C MARCUS MARTIN

155
CB AARON COLVIN

157
WR RYAN GRANT

186
RB JERICK MCKINNON

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Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 11 (NYG): Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
Round 2 Pick 26: Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
Round 3 Pick 3 (OAK): Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
Round 3 Pick 11 (STL): Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
Round 3 Pick 27: Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor
Round 4 Pick 10 (STL): Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas
Round 4 Pick 26: Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane
Round 5 Pick 27: James Hurst, OT, North Carolina
Round 6 Pick 26: Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma
Round 6 Pick 28 (CAR): Kevin Norwood, WR, Alabama
Round 7 Pick 4 (OAK): Howard Jones, OLB, Shepherd

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Round 4 Pick 26: Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane ?????????????????????????????????

why all the love for the kid? local boy what?

what you see is what you get. ceiling does not look that high for him

educate me

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Not working. I like first pick better anyway.

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I forgot all about Moncrief.

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hey JP try this odd ball

we trade with houston Jimmy swapping 1s picking up their 2 and 3

then trade back with brown picking up 2nd and 3rd

bank role any additional picks for 2015

thats picks

#4
#33
#35
#65
#71

plus our picks for rounds 2 through 6

just for the giggles

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27 CB DARQUEZE DENNARD MICHIGAN STATE

58 ILB CHRIS BORLAND WISCONSIN

91 WR JARVIS LANDRY LSU

122 WR DONTE MONCRIEF OLE MISS

155 RB DE'ANTHONY THOMAS OREGON

157 OT CHARLES LENO BOISE STATE

186 DE JAMES GAYLE VIRGINIA TECH

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One question occurred to me concerning trading back and forth for picks - limited cap space this season...

The rookie class draft allotment is usually "preassigned" based on the current collective bargaining agreement so am wondering if we were also limited on how we could possibly trade...

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you gotta get rid of a big ticket item to fill the draw with many goodies. say 8 mill for graham should just about cover the bill. cut here of last year contract players will pay for a replacement in the draft with change left over to get another :) all in fun on that one

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YOUR PICKS
1 Jadeveon Clowney DE, South Carolina
2 Sammy Watkins WR, Clemson
3 Khalil Mack OLB, Buffalo
4 Greg Robinson OT, Auburn
5 Jake Matthews OT, Texas A&M
6 Taylor Lewan OT, Michigan
7 Anthony Barr OLB, UCLA
8 Justin Gilbert DC, Oklahoma State
9 Calvin Pryor DS, Louisville
10 Mike Evans WR, Texas A&M
11 Darqueze Dennard DC, Michigan State
12 Eric Ebron TE, North Carolina
13 Zack Martin OT, Notre Dame
14 Aaron Donald DT, Pittsburgh
15 C.J. Mosley ILB, Alabama
16 Odell Beckham Jr. WR, LSU
17 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix DS, Alabama
18 Marqise Lee WR, USC
19 Timmy Jernigan DT, Florida State
20 Blake Bortles QB, UCF
21 Louis Nix III DT, Notre Dame
22 Brandin Cooks WR, Oregon State
23 Kony Ealy DE, Missouri
24 Dee Ford DE, Auburn
25 Ryan Shazier OLB, Ohio State
26 Xavier Su'a-Filo OG, UCLA
27 Jason Verrett DC, TCU
28 Bradley Roby DC, Ohio State
29 Stephon Tuitt DE, Notre Dame
30 Kyle Fuller DC, Virginia Tech
31 Teddy Bridgewater QB, Louisville
32 Ra'Shede Hageman DT, Minnesota

how about the triple in the top ten of OT

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Franchise Tag = Guaranteed Money

Players is cut/traded, Guaranteed Money = Dead money
2013 Team Dead Money Rankings

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nothing is signed so that is the end of dead money, And if a trade was to happen the tag is a mute issue. it would all be handled in the trade for a player like Jimmy. Do you think the saints would want to be the laughing stock of the NFL? Mickey coming out of a deal as big as this looking like a fool? don't think so.


besides i would be amazed if we did anything but get Jimmy all wrapped up. graham is a bargain tagged as a TE. As a WR that is another story. We would have time to decide what we are going to do. so till then dead money is a dead topic when it comes to jimmy

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Ignoring the fact that until something is signed you have nothing to trade. Since he has to sign something in order for you to have something to trade, the tag and it's dead money are neither moot or ended.

I'm not sure you understand that dead money can not be traded or moved. It's not yo to Loomis, it's governed by the CBA. His hands are tied.

At the end of every deal or contract is the League. Each and every contract or trade has to be approved by the League office before it is final.

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look right now we control his football future that is all. that is all the tag does at this point. he can sign it or we can pull it till the due date

his options in the open market are few and far in between. till he accepts the contract or appeals it we are all just sitting tight. if he appeals we are again sitting tight till the saints decide what they will do.

any ways if a team offers him the same money we are we keep him.

They offer more and picks off he goes if that is what the saints decide to do.

so we keep him or a team pays him more than we are willing to do and forks over the additional picks

If he appeals and wins odds are their will be even fewer teams out there that will go for the 10 mill and picks. so he ends up a saint and we cut players to get under the cap.

Or god for bids the saints decide to pull the tag and let him walk. we will have time to make our minds up if the tag is changed. just like jimmy has time to decide if he going to sign it

i do not see dead money as an issue with jimmy.

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You drinking? The dead money reply from me was in response to your original "trade scenario"... Now it seems you've left that out of your synopsis of options.

Until Jimmy signs something with us we have zero to trade. Once he signs something with us there will be dead money if he does somewhere else.

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in my silly trade with Houston

Houston calls and says they want Jimmy for the two first.
Saints say ok
whats the next step?
Houston calls and gets a long term contract worked out with Jimmy's agent
Houston, Saints and Jimmy's agent sit down and finalize the trade.
No tag offer sheet needs to signed.

The only thing the tag does now is limit Jimmy's movement it does not prevent him from being traded or search for a team that is willing to met his demands and the high price the saints have placed on him. if he gets the deal he wants and the saints get what they want and the trading partner is happy Jimmy is on the next plane out of town.

Besides why would Jimmy be allowed to collect money from two clubs? In your set up Jimmy cost the saints and the Texans cap hits and he gets to double dip? he get 8 million from us and the first year of his contract from Texans?
or the saints are paying the texans to take him?
or is this creative accounting were the team trading the player is penalized for tagging that player then trading them?

If we cut Jimmy after he signed i see the logic

This is not a trade were we are trying to get a better pick by agreeing to keep the guaranteed money on our cap. in other words sending a player and cash to get better picks ie the Browns. This is a trade were they take the whole hit.

In real life if he signs the TE tag why would we trade him? IMO he is worth more in the next couple years to us in order to get to the super bowl. he is the best thing for Drew right now to get that done.

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In your scenario with Houston..... Jimmy is not being traded brother, Mickey Loomis and the Saints do not have Jimmy Graham to trade.

(Probably best if you read the rest in a James Earl Jones voice)
Take my hand young Jedi, walk with me as we take this journey together step by step. So I may show you the dark side. :)

Right now, at this very moment Jimmy Graham is not a Saint. He is a Free Agent.

Yes he is Franchise Tagged, but the pesky 3 letters that are a game changer are "Non"... In Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag.

The reason it is a game changer is because unlike an Exclusive Franchise Tag which you are correct in saying is normally used to buy time to work out a long term contract because it prevents 31 other teams from getting into the mix, the Nonexclusive Tag allows Jimmy Graham to negotiate a contract with other teams. Note: I said Jimmy graham/his agent to negotiate... Not Mickey Loomis. Loomis has zero say in Grahams negotiations with other teams.

Step 1. Houston would not be contacting Mickey Loomis in regards to Jimmy Graham, they would contact Jimmy Grahams agent and Graham, his agent and Houston would sit down and negotiate Grahams contract (Mickey Loomis/New Orleans Saints are no where in that negotiation).

Step 2. Graham/His Agent and Houston come to an agreement.

Step 3. Grahams Agent sends that deal to the League office, or, the agent contacts Loomis him self.. Not sure about that part.

Step 4. Loomis is presented with the agreement/contract that Houston and Graham have settled with.

Step 6. Loomis now has the option to match that contract or let Jimmy go to Houston.

Step 7. If Loomis decided not to match.. The League takes two original first round draft spots from Houston and awards them to the New Orleans Saints. IF the deal is done before this years draft it is a first round draft pick in 2014 and a first round draft pick in 2015, if after this years draft they will come from 2015 and 2016.

See brother, there is no trade.. The Saints have nothing to trade until Jimmy Graham either signs his Franchise Tag contract or signs a long term contract. Once he signs one of those then the Saints have something to trade but that trade will cause Dead Cap Space.

The alternative is Jimmy doesn't sign his Franchise Tag, and doesn't get or accept an offer from any other team... and subsequently doesn't play football in the NFL in 2014 until one of those things happens.

As far as for players collecting money from two clubs (Double Dipping), it can happen. The League failed to close that loop hole in the 2011 CBA.
NFL missed chance to make offset language moot two years ago | ProFootballTalk

If you sign a 1 year contract with the Saints for $1m guaranteed, and they cut you they must pay you that money. If you then sign with the Falcons for a 1 year contract for 1m dollars they pay you that. You earn $2m this year from two teams. A players contract is with that team and it is legally binding with that team. If a player signs two contracts with 2 teams in one season and the first contract has guaranteed money he is paid by both teams for their individual contracts.

So it is not creative accounting, it is a player getting paid by two teams for those individual contracts and each team has to take a cap hit for the respective contracts in the same season.

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Round 2 pick 11 not a first rounder.

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I wouldnt take him in the first as there are bigger and better players there but in the middle of round two he would be a good pick imo.

You would hope to add another 10-15lbs onto him if you could over the next year.He would not have to start each week with Butler there and hopefully Rufus Johnson can step up this year.There is also the chance he could potentially shift inside

Ohio State's Ryan Shazier leads top undersized LB prospects - NFL.com

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