Jimmy Graham Contract

Exxcalibur · 01-13-2014, 03:38 PM

I want a fast, as in really fast, WR for trade Xmas - one with great hands.

Having said that, I'd take the Panthers Ginn in an heart beat...500 yards at Carolina is a waste of talent.

lee909 · 01-13-2014, 03:45 PM

You look at the WR and compare that to 8-9ml for Graham and he is a bargain.
No way would I be paying more for either of the Jacksons, or similar amounts for Brown, Garcon than I would for Graham.

Calvin Johnson may be immense but for that money you can be looking at Graham, Colston and Stills.

Utah_Saint · 01-13-2014, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Exxcalibur

I want a fast, as in really fast, WR for trade Xmas - one with great hands.

Having said that, I'd take the Panthers Ginn in an heart beat...500 yards at Carolina is a waste of talent.

I think that's what Stills is supposed to be.

frankeefrank · 01-13-2014, 04:03 PM

Seeing NE get to the AFC Championship without Gronk or Aaron Hernandez makes me think we would be fine letting him go.
He's a basketball player... soft... talented, but soft.
This is pro football, rosters turn over all the time.

ikecomp · 01-13-2014, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

Seeing NE get to the AFC Championship without Gronk or Aaron Hernandez makes me think we would be fine letting him go.
He's a basketball player... soft... talented, but soft.
This is pro football, rosters turn over all the time.

Good point. New england lost 2 pro-bowl caliber tightends and still continued win. The only difference though is that the best defenses right now are in the NFC (Us, Seattle, San Fran and Carolina). Brady wouldn't have to worry about that in the postseason until the super bowl. We on the other hand have to go through that just to get to the super bowl.

Jamessr · 01-13-2014, 04:19 PM

I'd be fine with another Colston...

ikecomp · 01-13-2014, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I think that's what Stills is supposed to be.

Stills has the better hands and nose for the ball but straight speed it's not very close. Ginn is still a burner. I just don't trust his hands.

Utah_Saint · 01-13-2014, 04:55 PM

4.28 vs. 4.34 isn't too shabby.

jeanpierre · 01-13-2014, 05:43 PM

Top to bottom, we've got the best WR corps in the league and best TE corps in the league...

As I've been a Graham fan since I saw him in his first camp, I've been equally disappointed in how he disappeared down the stretch which much of that is due to the torn plantar fascia tendon...

My concerns are his agent, their demands, and committing that much quan with the unknown of his recovery from said injury; sucked for him but San Diego strung out Gates till they got the deal they wanted, but Gates prime came and went quick...

Worth pointing out while we're bashing Graham for disappearing down the stretch, some of it deserved, let's not forget the man played through a torn plantar fascia...

I'm just not happy with Graham's choice of agent and that agent's personality of being Galactus, Destroyer of Salary Caps - I'd be happy if we franchised, non exclusive this season and see how things shake out from there while we draft a TE in this year's draft to keep transitioning...

TheOak · 01-13-2014, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Worth pointing out while we're bashing Graham for disappearing down the stretch, some of it deserved, let's not forget the man played through a torn plantar fascia...

And for that reason alone I don't give him much flack for not getting separation. It doesn't however excuse gator-arms or the high drop rate, in 2012 he lead the league in drops. Then there is the subjective opinion that he waits for the ball to come to him instead of going get it.

He is actually the receiver Drew throws the most INTs when being targeted.

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01-13-2014, 03:38 PM	#41
Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract I want a fast, as in really fast, WR for trade Xmas - one with great hands. Having said that, I'd take the Panthers Ginn in an heart beat...500 yards at Carolina is a waste of talent.

01-13-2014, 03:45 PM	#42
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract You look at the WR and compare that to 8-9ml for Graham and he is a bargain. No way would I be paying more for either of the Jacksons, or similar amounts for Brown, Garcon than I would for Graham. Calvin Johnson may be immense but for that money you can be looking at Graham, Colston and Stills.

01-13-2014, 03:49 PM	#43
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by Exxcalibur I want a fast, as in really fast, WR for trade Xmas - one with great hands. Having said that, I'd take the Panthers Ginn in an heart beat...500 yards at Carolina is a waste of talent. I think that's what Stills is supposed to be.

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by frankeefrank Seeing NE get to the AFC Championship without Gronk or Aaron Hernandez makes me think we would be fine letting him go. He's a basketball player... soft... talented, but soft. This is pro football, rosters turn over all the time. Good point. New england lost 2 pro-bowl caliber tightends and still continued win. The only difference though is that the best defenses right now are in the NFC (Us, Seattle, San Fran and Carolina). Brady wouldn't have to worry about that in the postseason until the super bowl. We on the other hand have to go through that just to get to the super bowl.
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Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract I'd be fine with another Colston...

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I think that's what Stills is supposed to be. Stills has the better hands and nose for the ball but straight speed it's not very close. Ginn is still a burner. I just don't trust his hands.
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01-13-2014, 04:55 PM	#48
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract 4.28 vs. 4.34 isn't too shabby.

01-13-2014, 05:43 PM	#49
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Top to bottom, we've got the best WR corps in the league and best TE corps in the league... As I've been a Graham fan since I saw him in his first camp, I've been equally disappointed in how he disappeared down the stretch which much of that is due to the torn plantar fascia tendon... My concerns are his agent, their demands, and committing that much quan with the unknown of his recovery from said injury; sucked for him but San Diego strung out Gates till they got the deal they wanted, but Gates prime came and went quick... Worth pointing out while we're bashing Graham for disappearing down the stretch, some of it deserved, let's not forget the man played through a torn plantar fascia... I'm just not happy with Graham's choice of agent and that agent's personality of being Galactus, Destroyer of Salary Caps - I'd be happy if we franchised, non exclusive this season and see how things shake out from there while we draft a TE in this year's draft to keep transitioning...
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01-13-2014, 06:33 PM	#50
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by jeanpierre Worth pointing out while we're bashing Graham for disappearing down the stretch, some of it deserved, let's not forget the man played through a torn plantar fascia... And for that reason alone I don't give him much flack for not getting separation. It doesn't however excuse gator-arms or the high drop rate, in 2012 he lead the league in drops. Then there is the subjective opinion that he waits for the ball to come to him instead of going get it. He is actually the receiver Drew throws the most INTs when being targeted.

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