Jimmy Graham Contract

rezburna · 05-12-2014, 09:54 AM

I tried to trade Jimmy Graham on my franchise mode in Madden. He's got a 99 overall, yet nobody would give me a 1st for him. I couldn't get Alston Jeffrey, AJ Green, or Josh Gordon for him. Teams wouldn't give me anything you'd think his value would demand. Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls.

SmashMouth · 05-12-2014, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I tried to trade Jimmy Graham on my franchise mode in Madden. He's got a 99 overall, yet nobody would give me a 1st for him. I couldn't get Alston Jeffrey, AJ Green, or Josh Gordon for him. Teams wouldn't give me anything you'd think his value would demand. Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls.

Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls.

Now here is the inspiration for a new R&B/Rap song...when shall we expect its release?

jeanpierre · 05-17-2014, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

I do find it interesting that teams will be aggressive moving up in the draft but say its bad value to pay two first rounders for proven talent.

The difference is not the salary hit, but this...

If a proven player comes to a team for two first round picks and is not as successful, then the onus comes down directly on the GM and Coaches, because it's certainly not the player [sic]...

But if you draft player(s) that don't pan out, then the GM has an out and can claim most draft experts agreed to some degree with the move and that the player just didn't apply himself and that we'll have to geaux back to the draft...

More job security risk for GMs when they take the high profile free agent and it flops...

TheOak · 05-17-2014, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I do find it interesting that teams will be aggressive moving up in the draft but say its bad value to pay two first rounders for proven talent.

Because a first round draft pick costs you how much cap space in addition to the 2 draft picks? Joeckel #2 overall was a cap hit of 3.5m in 2013, 13m signing bonus and no guaranteed.

Graham for instance would cost then 2 Firsts plus at least 10m in cap space along with 30m guaranteed.

Rookie contracts are shorter and top 15 come with a 5th year option.

Because a first rounder comes at 20m over 4 years, none guaranteed but the signing bonus he is less of a gamble than a Graham at 60m over 5 with 30m guaranteed.

Proven doesn't matter much in this league when you balance that with loss of money because of injury or players that get paid and stop producing.

Most of all 2 first round draft picks are given in the draft for?

Not Tight Ends.

It's everything.. What JP said above and what I've added.

rezburna · 05-17-2014, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Now here is the inspiration for a new R&B/Rap song...when shall we expect its release?

Lol. My bad SmashMouth. I shot a video yesterday too. Probably shoot when in New Orleans next. I need to go ahead and put something together.

jeanpierre · 05-22-2014, 11:38 AM

New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees said he understands Jimmy Graham's absence from OTAs | NOLA.com

Drew, please stay out of it...

jeanpierre · 05-23-2014, 09:46 AM

Drew Brees knows what Jimmy Graham is going through - ESPN

Same schtuff...

Stealthman · 05-27-2014, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

The difference is not the salary hit, but this...

If a proven player comes to a team for two first round picks and is not as successful, then the onus comes down directly on the GM and Coaches, because it's certainly not the player [sic]...

But if you draft player(s) that don't pan out, then the GM has an out and can claim most draft experts agreed to some degree with the move and that the player just didn't apply himself and that we'll have to geaux back to the draft...

More job security risk for GMs when they take the high profile free agent and it flops...

B-I-N-G-O (...and CHECKMATE)!

Can anybody say: Trent Richardson?

hagan714 · 05-27-2014, 06:06 AM

the only way i see Jimmy traded is to a team that believes he would be the missing piece to get to the super bowl.

so that would be pick 32 or 31 if they were correct.

If not oh well another GM on the market looking for a job

jeanpierre · 05-30-2014, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

the only way i see Jimmy traded is to a team that believes he would be the missing piece to get to the super bowl.

so that would be pick 32 or 31 if they were correct.

If not oh well another GM on the market looking for a job

Or, if Graham is signed by a team that makes such a run, we'd get that late first round pick, unless already traded and then it'd roll forward; plus, the following No. 1 pick..

Graham is not going anywhere, Saints Front Office seems to have correctly gambled and gained leverage showing that Graham, while a unique talent, is not worth two No. ones - leverage Saints...

The aforementioned development is why Graham's representation filed appeal for review of Graham's position assignment in attempt to gain back leverage to 'move the middle ground' of annual compensation back up to Graham's camp's desired numbers...

What's funny and probably frustrating for them, is that Graham's representation keeps beating their chest when he receives accolades by media, who may/may not have likely been bought with an exclusive or information on another story, for Graham as the League's (wait for it) Best Tight End...

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05-12-2014, 09:54 AM	#341
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract I tried to trade Jimmy Graham on my franchise mode in Madden. He's got a 99 overall, yet nobody would give me a 1st for him. I couldn't get Alston Jeffrey, AJ Green, or Josh Gordon for him. Teams wouldn't give me anything you'd think his value would demand. Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls. Danno likes this.

05-12-2014, 09:58 AM	#342
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by rezburna I tried to trade Jimmy Graham on my franchise mode in Madden. He's got a 99 overall, yet nobody would give me a 1st for him. I couldn't get Alston Jeffrey, AJ Green, or Josh Gordon for him. Teams wouldn't give me anything you'd think his value would demand. Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls. Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls. Now here is the inspiration for a new R&B/Rap song...when shall we expect its release?

05-17-2014, 08:44 AM	#343
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by lee909 I do find it interesting that teams will be aggressive moving up in the draft but say its bad value to pay two first rounders for proven talent. The difference is not the salary hit, but this... If a proven player comes to a team for two first round picks and is not as successful, then the onus comes down directly on the GM and Coaches, because it's certainly not the player [sic]... But if you draft player(s) that don't pan out, then the GM has an out and can claim most draft experts agreed to some degree with the move and that the player just didn't apply himself and that we'll have to geaux back to the draft... More job security risk for GMs when they take the high profile free agent and it flops... SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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05-17-2014, 05:40 PM	#344
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by lee909 I do find it interesting that teams will be aggressive moving up in the draft but say its bad value to pay two first rounders for proven talent. Because a first round draft pick costs you how much cap space in addition to the 2 draft picks? Joeckel #2 overall was a cap hit of 3.5m in 2013, 13m signing bonus and no guaranteed. Graham for instance would cost then 2 Firsts plus at least 10m in cap space along with 30m guaranteed. Rookie contracts are shorter and top 15 come with a 5th year option. Because a first rounder comes at 20m over 4 years, none guaranteed but the signing bonus he is less of a gamble than a Graham at 60m over 5 with 30m guaranteed. Proven doesn't matter much in this league when you balance that with loss of money because of injury or players that get paid and stop producing. Most of all 2 first round draft picks are given in the draft for? Not Tight Ends. It's everything.. What JP said above and what I've added.
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05-17-2014, 05:41 PM	#345
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by SmashMouth Now here is the inspiration for a new R&B/Rap song...when shall we expect its release? Lol. My bad SmashMouth. I shot a video yesterday too. Probably shoot when in New Orleans next. I need to go ahead and put something together.

05-22-2014, 11:38 AM	#346
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees said he understands Jimmy Graham's absence from OTAs \| NOLA.com Drew, please stay out of it...

05-23-2014, 09:46 AM	#347
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Drew Brees knows what Jimmy Graham is going through - ESPN Same schtuff...

05-27-2014, 05:22 AM	#348
Stealthman B&G StaffWriter Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 382	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by jeanpierre The difference is not the salary hit, but this... If a proven player comes to a team for two first round picks and is not as successful, then the onus comes down directly on the GM and Coaches, because it's certainly not the player [sic]... But if you draft player(s) that don't pan out, then the GM has an out and can claim most draft experts agreed to some degree with the move and that the player just didn't apply himself and that we'll have to geaux back to the draft... More job security risk for GMs when they take the high profile free agent and it flops... B-I-N-G-O (...and CHECKMATE)! Can anybody say: Trent Richardson?

05-27-2014, 06:06 AM	#349
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract the only way i see Jimmy traded is to a team that believes he would be the missing piece to get to the super bowl. so that would be pick 32 or 31 if they were correct. If not oh well another GM on the market looking for a job

05-30-2014, 05:09 AM	#350
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by hagan714 the only way i see Jimmy traded is to a team that believes he would be the missing piece to get to the super bowl. so that would be pick 32 or 31 if they were correct. If not oh well another GM on the market looking for a job Or, if Graham is signed by a team that makes such a run, we'd get that late first round pick, unless already traded and then it'd roll forward; plus, the following No. 1 pick.. Graham is not going anywhere, Saints Front Office seems to have correctly gambled and gained leverage showing that Graham, while a unique talent, is not worth two No. ones - leverage Saints... The aforementioned development is why Graham's representation filed appeal for review of Graham's position assignment in attempt to gain back leverage to 'move the middle ground' of annual compensation back up to Graham's camp's desired numbers... What's funny and probably frustrating for them, is that Graham's representation keeps beating their chest when he receives accolades by media, who may/may not have likely been bought with an exclusive or information on another story, for Graham as the League's (wait for it) Best Tight End...
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