Jimmy Graham Contract

halloween 65 · 06-20-2014, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Where Jimmy Graham ranks among receivers - ESPN

The only problem I would have with that ranking is those WR go against the #1 and sometimes #2 CB, I know what happens to Graham when he faces #1 and even #2 CB, I don't think his #'s would be even close if he did.

AsylumGuido · 06-20-2014, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

The only problem I would have with that ranking is those WR go against the #1 and sometimes #2 CB, I know what happens to Graham when he faces #1 and even #2 CB, I don't think his #'s would be even close if he did.

That's because he isn't a WR and has never claimed to be. The article is all supposition. That is also why the NFLPA has very little chance of winning their case, much to the chagrin of Julius Thomas and Vernon Wells who are hanging on the outcome with bated breath.

jeanpierre · 06-23-2014, 06:22 AM

Guido...

Good discussion, read, reread post(s), and I'll love Graham once he's back in the fold; but you can't say he nor his agent on his behalf have never said anything and then cite twice that they did...

The point that some are trying to make is that agents and players associations do what they do on BEHALF of the players, young or not; at anytime, they can hire, fire and replace their lawyers; so Graham or Agent are married one in the same...

Don't begrudge players/agents for seeking a max contract; it's just some of the whacked arguments they make are silly and some fans are calling BS on it...

And even though the Saints SEEM to have the better arguments including Graham's own Twitter page, it'll probably make no difference as the arbitrator, Stephen Burbank, has a history of liberal rulings and exceeding his mandate - what a surprise from a lawyer...

Now, the NFL league office may have started their proverbial schiott again in meddling with our affairs...

NFL may be pushing for a Graham settlement | ProFootballTalk

AsylumGuido · 06-23-2014, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Guido...

Good discussion, read, reread post(s), and I'll love Graham once he's back in the fold; but you can't say he nor his agent on his behalf have never said anything and then cite twice that they did...

The point that some are trying to make is that agents and players associations do what they do on BEHALF of the players, young or not; at anytime, they can hire, fire and replace their lawyers; so Graham or Agent are married one in the same...

Don't begrudge players/agents for seeking a max contract; it's just some of the whacked arguments they make are silly and some fans are calling BS on it...

And even though the Saints SEEM to have the better arguments including Graham's own Twitter page, it'll probably make no difference as the arbitrator, Stephen Burbank, has a history of liberal rulings and exceeding his mandate - what a surprise from a lawyer...

Now, the NFL league office may have started their proverbial schiott again in meddling with our affairs...

NFL may be pushing for a Graham settlement | ProFootballTalk

but you can't say he nor his agent on his behalf have never said anything and then cite twice that they did...

If you go back and reread one more time you will see that I said Graham, and his agent, have said nothing about Graham's tag designation as a TE versus a WR. And they haven't. That is the point I was trying to make. Some were saying that Graham had been talking about being designated as a WR. That is totally wrong. The two tweets I mentioned were the only times he has ever even anything about the off-season concerning personnel moves. Here are the exact tweets copied from his own timeline:

Jimmy Graham @TheJimmyGraham · Feb 28

Confirming it's officially Franchisefriday... TAG ... I guess I'm it...

and this one which was in response to Sproles being traded and Moore getting released. You can also interpret it as referring to his being tagged.

Jimmy Graham @TheJimmyGraham · Mar 7

Wow unbelievable. Shocked and disappointed on everything that's gone on this offseason.

Those are the only two times Graham or his agent ever said anything about the off-season moves whatsoever and neither time was referring to his being designated by the NFL as a TE.

So, what kind of "whacked arguments" are you claiming that Graham or Sexton have made? They haven't made any at all. The NFLPA is the only source of anything to do with that argument and they are making it on behalf of ALL TE's that are key receivers, not just Graham.

jeanpierre · 06-23-2014, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If you go back and reread one more time you will see that I said Graham, and his agent, have said nothing about Graham's tag designation as a TE versus a WR. And they haven't.

Okay Brother, I understand...

(repost)
Now, the NFL league office may have started their proverbial schiott again in meddling with our affairs...

NFL may be pushing for a Graham settlement | ProFootballTalk

Jack Vegas · 06-23-2014, 12:15 PM

I do find it incredibly annoying that once again the league/owners is using the Saints to set some kind of a precedent ruling.

Just like the whole bounty farce. 90% of this whole thing has nothing to do with the Saints/Graham. It is the league trying to keep player salaries down and the union trying to exploit a loophole. And Graham's agent trying to make a bigger power/fame grab.

And we're once again the team that gets stuck in the middle. I kind of wish we would just trade Graham to the highest bidder and move on. Watson and Hill could probably replace 80% of Graham's offensive production right now.

Utah_Saint · 06-23-2014, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I do find it incredibly annoying that once again the league/owners is using the Saints to set some kind of a precedent ruling.

Just like the whole bounty farce. 90% of this whole thing has nothing to do with the Saints/Graham. It is the league trying to keep player salaries down and the union trying to exploit a loophole.

And we're once again the team that gets stuck in the middle.

The Ravens settled just before Terrell Suggs redefined the DE/LB positions. I read several stories that suggested the league forced the Ravens to settle so it didn't open a can of worms for every team.

jeanpierre · 06-25-2014, 12:09 AM

Saints TE Jimmy Graham ruling drawing watchful eyes of NFL tight ends | Updated Links | NOLA.com

hagan714 · 06-25-2014, 04:42 AM

as i said in a previous thread. he aint all that as a TE. he aint all that as a WR. as mutant he is dangerous living in the middle of those two worlds.

we may get a new position designation out of all this to fit the new pass happy, high scoring and defenseless NFL.

jeanpierre · 06-25-2014, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

as i said in a previous thread. he aint all that as a TE. he aint all that as a WR. as mutant he is dangerous living in the middle of those two worlds.

we may get a new position designation out of all this to fit the new pass happy, high scoring and defenseless NFL.

Tell us how you really feel...

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06-23-2014, 06:22 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Guido... Good discussion, read, reread post(s), and I'll love Graham once he's back in the fold; but you can't say he nor his agent on his behalf have never said anything and then cite twice that they did... The point that some are trying to make is that agents and players associations do what they do on BEHALF of the players, young or not; at anytime, they can hire, fire and replace their lawyers; so Graham or Agent are married one in the same... Don't begrudge players/agents for seeking a max contract; it's just some of the whacked arguments they make are silly and some fans are calling BS on it... And even though the Saints SEEM to have the better arguments including Graham's own Twitter page, it'll probably make no difference as the arbitrator, Stephen Burbank, has a history of liberal rulings and exceeding his mandate - what a surprise from a lawyer... Now, the NFL league office may have started their proverbial schiott again in meddling with our affairs... NFL may be pushing for a Graham settlement \| ProFootballTalk
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06-23-2014, 12:00 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,755	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by jeanpierre Guido... Good discussion, read, reread post(s), and I'll love Graham once he's back in the fold; but you can't say he nor his agent on his behalf have never said anything and then cite twice that they did... The point that some are trying to make is that agents and players associations do what they do on BEHALF of the players, young or not; at anytime, they can hire, fire and replace their lawyers; so Graham or Agent are married one in the same... Don't begrudge players/agents for seeking a max contract; it's just some of the whacked arguments they make are silly and some fans are calling BS on it... And even though the Saints SEEM to have the better arguments including Graham's own Twitter page, it'll probably make no difference as the arbitrator, Stephen Burbank, has a history of liberal rulings and exceeding his mandate - what a surprise from a lawyer... Now, the NFL league office may have started their proverbial schiott again in meddling with our affairs... NFL may be pushing for a Graham settlement \| ProFootballTalk but you can't say he nor his agent on his behalf have never said anything and then cite twice that they did... If you go back and reread one more time you will see that I said Graham, and his agent, have said nothing about Graham's tag designation as a TE versus a WR. And they haven't. That is the point I was trying to make. Some were saying that Graham had been talking about being designated as a WR. That is totally wrong. The two tweets I mentioned were the only times he has ever even anything about the off-season concerning personnel moves. Here are the exact tweets copied from his own timeline: Jimmy Graham @TheJimmyGraham · Feb 28 Confirming it's officially Franchisefriday... TAG ... I guess I'm it... and this one which was in response to Sproles being traded and Moore getting released. You can also interpret it as referring to his being tagged. Jimmy Graham @TheJimmyGraham · Mar 7 Wow unbelievable. Shocked and disappointed on everything that's gone on this offseason. Those are the only two times Graham or his agent ever said anything about the off-season moves whatsoever and neither time was referring to his being designated by the NFL as a TE. So, what kind of "whacked arguments" are you claiming that Graham or Sexton have made? They haven't made any at all. The NFLPA is the only source of anything to do with that argument and they are making it on behalf of ALL TE's that are key receivers, not just Graham.

06-23-2014, 12:07 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If you go back and reread one more time you will see that I said Graham, and his agent, have said nothing about Graham's tag designation as a TE versus a WR. And they haven't. Okay Brother, I understand... (repost) Now, the NFL league office may have started their proverbial schiott again in meddling with our affairs... NFL may be pushing for a Graham settlement \| ProFootballTalk
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06-23-2014, 12:15 PM	#6
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract I do find it incredibly annoying that once again the league/owners is using the Saints to set some kind of a precedent ruling. Just like the whole bounty farce. 90% of this whole thing has nothing to do with the Saints/Graham. It is the league trying to keep player salaries down and the union trying to exploit a loophole. And Graham's agent trying to make a bigger power/fame grab. And we're once again the team that gets stuck in the middle. I kind of wish we would just trade Graham to the highest bidder and move on. Watson and Hill could probably replace 80% of Graham's offensive production right now. jeanpierre likes this.
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06-20-2014, 11:39 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Where Jimmy Graham ranks among receivers - ESPN The only problem I would have with that ranking is those WR go against the #1 and sometimes #2 CB, I know what happens to Graham when he faces #1 and even #2 CB, I don't think his #'s would be even close if he did.

06-20-2014, 11:48 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,755	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by halloween 65 The only problem I would have with that ranking is those WR go against the #1 and sometimes #2 CB, I know what happens to Graham when he faces #1 and even #2 CB, I don't think his #'s would be even close if he did. That's because he isn't a WR and has never claimed to be. The article is all supposition. That is also why the NFLPA has very little chance of winning their case, much to the chagrin of Julius Thomas and Vernon Wells who are hanging on the outcome with bated breath.

06-23-2014, 12:18 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I do find it incredibly annoying that once again the league/owners is using the Saints to set some kind of a precedent ruling. Just like the whole bounty farce. 90% of this whole thing has nothing to do with the Saints/Graham. It is the league trying to keep player salaries down and the union trying to exploit a loophole. And we're once again the team that gets stuck in the middle. The Ravens settled just before Terrell Suggs redefined the DE/LB positions. I read several stories that suggested the league forced the Ravens to settle so it didn't open a can of worms for every team.

06-25-2014, 12:09 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Saints TE Jimmy Graham ruling drawing watchful eyes of NFL tight ends \| Updated Links \| NOLA.com

06-25-2014, 04:42 AM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract as i said in a previous thread. he aint all that as a TE. he aint all that as a WR. as mutant he is dangerous living in the middle of those two worlds. we may get a new position designation out of all this to fit the new pass happy, high scoring and defenseless NFL.

06-25-2014, 02:13 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by hagan714 as i said in a previous thread. he aint all that as a TE. he aint all that as a WR. as mutant he is dangerous living in the middle of those two worlds. we may get a new position designation out of all this to fit the new pass happy, high scoring and defenseless NFL. Tell us how you really feel...

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