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Old 03-01-2014, 02:22 PM   #1
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Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

Someone somewhere is tired of her crap no matter how beautiful you think she is.

Jimmy is not a WR, he is a TE. Therefore he must be graded as performing a TEs tasks and you know where that is going...... He can't block.

Anyone been to New Iberia in the 80's and 90's? Doesn't matter what tags you saw on those Mustangs, they were not Saleens.

No matter what tag falls on Jimmy he is not a WR.

If you think his stats make him a WR, then Pierre Thomas had 77 receptions and 513 yards. That's Reggie Wayne money 5.83m/year. PT had more yards and TDs.
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Someone somewhere is tired of her crap no matter how beautiful you think she is.

Jimmy is not a WR, he is a TE. Therefore he must be graded as performing a TEs tasks and you know where that is going...... He can't block.

Anyone been to New Iberia in the 80's and 90's? Doesn't matter what tags you saw on those Mustangs, they were not Saleens.

No matter what tag falls on Jimmy he is not a WR.

If you think his stats make him a WR, then Pierre Thomas had 77 receptions and 513 yards. That's Reggie Wayne money 5.83m/year. PT had more yards and TDs.
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If Pierre lines up at wide receiver twice as often as he lines up in the backfield then yes, he has a legit claim at the designation. Espcially if it means an extra $5 million a year.
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If Pierre lines up at wide receiver twice as often as he lines up in the backfield then yes, he has a legit claim at the designation. Espcially if it means an extra $5 million a year.

Then you should probably refer to JG as WR from now on. I hope Jimmy Graham gets WR pay and what you think he is worth somewhere else. His name will be removed from all Tight End records, including the Saints record books. You no longer have the best TE in the game, you have got your self a bonafied top 20 WR.

But it doesn't work that way, if it did Luke McCown would have H by his name.

"Lining up" means nothing.
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Then you should probably refer to JG as WR from now on. I hope Jimmy Graham gets WR pay and what you think he is worth somewhere else. His name will be removed from all Tight End records, including the Saints record books. You no longer have the best TE in the game, you have got your self a bonafied top 20 WR.

But it doesn't work that way, if it did Luke McCown would have H by his name.

"Lining up" means nothing.
You've been on my good side for the last couple of months Oak. Keep this up and I'm motioning you get your own holiday on these forums.
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Then you should probably refer to JG as WR from now on. I hope Jimmy Graham gets WR pay and what you think he is worth somewhere else. His name will be removed from all Tight End records, including the Saints record books. You no longer have the best TE in the game, you have got your self a bonafied top 20 WR.

But it doesn't work that way, if it did Luke McCown would have H by his name.

"Lining up" means nothing.
I hope Jimmy Graham stays with the Saints what ever designation he gets. It doesn't look like the Saints will be able to afford it though because of their cap situation and the money he's likely to be offered based on his production. I'm hoping that his desire to stay with Drew and the Saints out weighs his greed. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen much, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

Article 10, Section 9 says the position a player is tagged at is determined by"...the position above at which he participated in the most plays during the prior league year."

So it sounds like "Lining up" means just about everything.
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I hope Jimmy Graham stays with the Saints what ever designation he gets. It doesn't look like the Saints will be able to afford it though because of their cap situation and the money he's likely to be offered based on his production. I'm hoping that his desire to stay with Drew and the Saints out weighs his greed. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen much, so I'm not going to hold my breath.



Article 10, Section 9 says the position a player is tagged at is determined by"...the position above at which he participated in the most plays during the prior league year."



So it sounds like "Lining up" means just about everything.

Nope, that is exactly what a modern-day tight end looks like.

Cue "The Autumn Wind", and James Earl Jones goes on to explain the evolution of the game and it's players.

Then I go on to explain that I am the arbitrator and that this has nothing to do with what Jimmy Graham is but what the Modern-Day definition of a Tight End is. I will also go on about precedent and that JG set that when he allowed himself to be Drafted, Put in record books, play, draw a pay check, and go to a pro-bowl as a Tight End. In today's NFL many positions are dual roll and Jimmy is no more a wide receiver than Darren Sproles is, even though both spent more time receiving.


Did you pull that reference out of thin air?
It's Article 10, Section 2(a)(i) and it doesn't say "lined up", it says "at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year.” Things change between line-up and snap.

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Nope, that is exactly what a modern-day tight end looks like.

Cue "The Autumn Wind", and James Earl Jones goes on to explain the evolution of the game and it's players.

Then I go on to explain that I am the arbitrator and that this has nothing to do with what Jimmy Graham is but what the Modern-Day definition of a Tight End is. I will also go on about precedent and that JG set that when he allowed himself to be Drafted, Put in record books, play, draw a pay check, and go to a pro-bowl as a Tight End. In today's NFL many positions are dual roll and Jimmy is no more a wide receiver than Darren Sproles is, even though both spent more time receiving.


Did you pull that reference out of thin air?
It's Article 10, Section 2(a)(i) and it doesn't say "lined up", it says "at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year.” Things change between line-up and snap.
I've read a couple sports writers reference the "modern day tight end" designation as a possibility but it will require that the arbitrator makes a kind of new position. One in which tight end doesn't mean the player lines up tight on the end of the line. Who knows, could happen.

And no, I didn't pull it out of thin air. It's in the NFL CBA. You can read it here. Kinda dry though.

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

Article 10 section 9 is on page 49. The section I quoted is right about the middle of the page. "...above at which he participated in the most plays during the prior League Year"

Article 10 section 2 also says "... at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year,

Looks like it says it twice.

I don't know man, saying things change between line up and snap seems like a pretty big reach to me.
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Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

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I've read a couple sports writers reference the "modern day tight end" designation as a possibility but it will require that the arbitrator makes a kind of new position. One in which tight end doesn't mean the player lines up tight on the end of the line. Who knows, could happen.

And no, I didn't pull it out of thin air. It's in the NFL CBA. You can read it here. Kinda dry though.

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

Article 10 section 9 is on page 49. The section I quoted is right about the middle of the page. "...above at which he participated in the most plays during the prior League Year"

Article 10 section 2 also says "... at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year,

Looks like it says it twice.

I don't know man, saying things change between line up and snap seems like a pretty big reach to me.
I could see a clearer distinction made for a few positions DE-LB, running vs receiving RB's, NT-DT. Take the gray area out of the Tag
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