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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Nice work BMG. I agree all around. Billy, if you\'re only gonna come around once a month, please regale us with some of those fine arguments we all love. We miss ya bud. Also, inkele:...
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12-10-2004, 06:52 PM
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Nice work BMG. I agree all around.
Billy, if you\'re only gonna come around once a month, please regale us with some of those fine arguments we all love. We miss ya bud. Also,  inkele:
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12-11-2004, 12:59 AM
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12-11-2004, 08:12 AM
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 BnB, I agree with you that the defense is getting precious little help from the offense. It\'s just as tough for a defense to constantly play from behind as it is for an offense. But here\'s where we finally get into the granddaddy of all circular arguments. Are our troubles the defense\'s fault because it can\'t keep the opposing offense from scoring points, or is it the offense\'s fault because they can\'t score points in the first place? Both end up playing from behind, and both end up looking pretty sloppy while doing so. I think the simplest answer is that they\'re both lousy. Sooner or later, one has to take up the responsibility the other refuses to. The Ravens win with big defense and little offense. In contrast, the Colts win with big offense and little defense. We have neither, and therefore we don\'t win at all... Our entire team looks like carp...  [Edited on 11/12/2004 by mutineer10] [Edited on 11/12/2004 by mutineer10] |
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12-11-2004, 09:36 AM
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Kinder, gentler
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Big....fat.....stinky.....carp :yes:
Yeah, I wasn\'t making excuses for the defense, we know they suck. They\'ve progressively gotten worse over the past three years. But, I felt like pointing out a few things concerning the offense, especially the average t.o.p., which blew my mind. |
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12-11-2004, 10:52 AM
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12-11-2004, 02:00 PM
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I would submit to you that this entire franchise is not really a team in the strict sense of the word, but two distinctly different sets of individuals on the field at one time. If you care to watch the sidelines (when the camera shows them) you see Brooks, clowning and playing grabass with the reserves, instead of watching the game and being a part of the team. I realize that the O line gets a quick coaching session right after leaving the field, but the rest of the offense doesn\'t. It looks like that the offense is saying: \"oh well, we get a rest now, so let\'s sit on our can while the defense struggles. That creates a situation in which the defense is playing the other team and their own offense, because the offense is appathetic to what\'s going on. When the offense is on the field, watch where Charles Grant is. Right on the sideline, cheering them on. Others in the defense are doing the same. Grant as much as anyone has the right to sit on his can with what he produces on the field. This kid has fire and heart. He will be the driving force on D next year. He has taken what Pease has done for him to heart, and it shows. He should be better against the run next year assuming that Pease stays, and I hope to God he does. What I\'m getting at is that since Brooks don\'t care, why should the rest of the offense? Attitude shows in body language and behavior as well as words. Brooks shows me what kind of leader he is in his behavior on the sideline much more that in the huddle. And, as you may guess, my opinion is that He ain\'t much. 
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12-11-2004, 02:46 PM
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RDOX,
While I agree with most of what you say, and I think, by in large, you\'re VERY right about the schism on the \"team\", I can\'t let this one go:
For cryin\' out loud. This idea that the rest of the guys on the O do whatever Brooks does, act the way he does, are completely lead by his example, and so on, makes them sound like big five year olds. These guys are men. They\'re professionals. They have a job to do. The idea that one bad apple spoils the other apples is crazy, even if the idea that one bad apple spoils the lot is true. There is a huge difference there. Brooks may not be doing his part to help us win, or inspire other, etc. However, that doesn\'t make it the case that the rest of these guys can\'t try, can\'t rise above, can\'t lead by their own example. I suppose I just don\'t understand the argument. Let\'s say that Brooks has no heart. Why in the world would this have anything to do with whether or not other guys have any heart? Either their mindless boobs, who are no better than five year olds, OR they have no excuse for caving just because Brooks does. Either way, if it is true that the ENTIRE offensive squad is that affected by one guy, I say fire them all - they\'re not the kind of player we want on this team. |
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12-11-2004, 02:58 PM
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Billy: I associate the word loser with the name Manning. The Mannings are all losers. Whodat: Hey Bill, would you trade AB straight up for Peyton? Billy: Yeah, I would. See Whodat, I tell it like it is! Yeah, you got me there. LOL. |
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\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse
\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\" |
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12-11-2004, 03:59 PM
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Sheesh guys. Let the Manning thing go. Everyone else here can see that Billy was wrong on that one - is there any pressing need to get him to admit it?
I\'m not defending him here, since, as far as I\'m concerned, his post here didn\'t add very much, and this thread was going quite well. I\'m just suggesting that there are some points that are worth letting die. But not this one: Farve and Brooks can both throw a football.  Ok, honestly, just kidding on that last point, but it makes me laugh. You\'ll give me that small pleasure, right? |
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"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks
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12-11-2004, 06:20 PM
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I think we\'ve seen the big fish enough...
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