2015 draft??

halloween 65 · 12-23-2014, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Can anyone tell me how deep this draft is and at what position is it deepest?

Last year was a deep draft at WR, is there any position like that this time around?

I wonder if trading back is actually the answer.

Trading back could be great if done right.I would love a #1, 2-#2 and a extra 4th, I got no ideal how to pull that out but if we pick around 7th or 8th I think trading down slowly it could be done, even if we give up next years 7th. Hell we give alot for Ingram and Cooks why wouldn't another team. And while I'm on the subject a couple trades could happen and we clean house in the draft, my nominees are #1Graham- to soft.#2. Bush- much overrated in my book that comment can be said for #1 also.#3. I would defenitly send feelers to teams on JR. ( do a little fishin' to see if you get a big enough bite, if so SET THE HOOK) Graham will net a #1, Bush a #4, and JR.well he might be gold but I would take no less than 2 #2

Sarik · 12-24-2014, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Can anyone tell me how deep this draft is and at what position is it deepest?

Last year was a deep draft at WR, is there any position like that this time around?

I wonder if trading back is actually the answer.

Deep(er) positions: RB, Pass Rusher, OT

Examples:

RB:

Todd Gurley - Georgia
Melvin Gordon - Wisconsin
Tevin Coleman - Indiana
Ameer Abdullah - Nebraska
TJ Yeldon - Alabama
Jay Ajayi - Boise State
Duke Johnson - Miami
Mike Davis - South Carolina
David Cobb - Minnesota
Javorius Allen - USC

OT: (good amount of draftable talent in the 1st rd compared to last year)

Brandon Scherff - Iowa
La'el Collins - LSU
Ronnie Stanley - Notre Dame
Andrus Peat - Stanford
Cedric Ogbuehi - Texas A&M
TJ Clemmings - Pittsburgh
Ty Sambrailo - Colorado State
Ereck Flowers - Miami
Spencer Drango - Baylor
Jake Fisher - Oregon

Pass Rusher(DE/OLB):

Randy Gregory - Nebraska
Shane Ray - Missouri
Shawn Oakman - Baylor
Vic Beasley - Clemson
Dante Fowler Jr - Florida
Alvin Dupree - Kentucky
Shilique Calhoun - Michigan State
Nate Orchard - Utah
Danielle Hunter - LSU
Lorenzo Mauldin - Louisville
Hauoli Kikaha - Washington
Arik Armstead - Oregon(more of an all around DE)

blackangold · 12-24-2014, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sarik

Deep(er) positions: RB, Pass Rusher, OT

Examples:

Pass Rusher(DE/OLB):

Randy Gregory - Nebraska
Shane Ray - Missouri
Shawn Oakman - Baylor
Vic Beasley - Clemson
Dante Fowler Jr - Florida
Alvin Dupree - Kentucky
Shilique Calhoun - Michigan State
Nate Orchard - Utah
Danielle Hunter - LSU
Lorenzo Mauldin - Louisville
Hauoli Kikaha - Washington
Arik Armstead - Oregon(more of an all around DE)

I would like anyone of the top 4 on this list, and we should be in position to get one of them. After the pass rusher is addressed we need to get a few young and hungry DTs along with early pick(s) at OG.

hagan714 · 12-25-2014, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Can anyone tell me how deep this draft is and at what position is it deepest?

Last year was a deep draft at WR, is there any position like that this time around?

I wonder if trading back is actually the answer.

CB IMO is the deepest i have seen in a long time I believe a starter can be had all the way to to the third. I am talking man cover types. Size speed and attitude

some solid prospects through the 5th. some solid gambles from there on.

Whole bunch the can do that CB to S dance without missing a beat.

this has a good chance of being the year of the CB.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 03:48 PM

Bush may be our best safety and no one will take on JR's contract. Graham could draw some intrest but not enough to unload him. No chance of trades this offseason. Contracts to high with to little play.

jeanpierre · 12-24-2014, 05:39 AM

What I Want For Christmas?!? An Outside Linebacker Like This...

Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube

Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube

K Major · 12-24-2014, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

What I Want For Christmas?!? An Outside Linebacker Like This...

Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube

... reminds me of the late great Sean Taylor with more versatility.

lsutigerfan · 12-25-2014, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

What I Want For Christmas?!? An Outside Linebacker Like This...

Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube

Saints NEED a playmaker like this on D!!!!

Please let's not screw this one up.

hagan714 · 12-25-2014, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

What I Want For Christmas?!? An Outside Linebacker Like This...

Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube

might just be the best football player in the draft. starting SS? that would make a ton of sense. side line to side line speed and keep him in the action. He has played it before and I bet he would lead this team in tackles season 1. at 6’1”, 237 4.56 he can either be an under sized OLB or a massive safety with solid speed. take your pick. all i know is i feel comfortable in saying he is a better SS and cover guy than kenny coming out of college.

fluid movement dropping back into coverage.
solid one-on-one match ups with tight ends

the kenny test this year was a flop. he is not a true SS so do not be surprised by a safety pick. we do not have a starter at that position and we all know we love safeties. solid back ups but a starter?

want to get the most out of the Byrd signing get him some help back there. Then add a CB or two in rounds 2 or 3 or 4. talent is there. all better prospects than SJB. I am betting he would have fallen into the 4/5 or 5/6 range this year.

with him on the field it would be like having 4 LB at all times vs this freaking 3 or 4 so so safety look we have now.

He is the freak or premier athlete in the draft without all the hyped upside or what if crap surrounding him. he is what he is. a freaking football player that you can get your money out of in more ways than 90% of the players on the saints today. RB LB SS special teams. he can open up a few rosters spots with his pick alone.

Shaq as a SS/LB type sealing up the middle of the field.

i like the the mix.

been waiting for his name to pop up.

blackangold · 12-25-2014, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

might just be the best football player in the draft. starting SS? that would make a ton of sense. side line to side line speed and keep him in the action. He has played it before and I bet he would lead this team in tackles season 1. at 6’1”, 237 4.56 he can either be an under sized OLB or a massive safety with solid speed. take your pick. all i know is i feel comfortable in saying he is a better SS and cover guy than kenny coming out of college.

fluid movement dropping back into coverage.
solid one-on-one match ups with tight ends

the kenny test this year was a flop. he is not a true SS so do not be surprised by a safety pick. we do not have a starter at that position and we all know we love safeties. solid back ups but a starter?

want to get the most out of the Byrd signing get him some help back there. Then add a CB or two in rounds 2 or 3 or 4. talent is there. all better prospects than SJB. I am betting he would have fallen into the 4/5 or 5/6 range this year.

with him on the field it would be like having 4 LB at all times vs this freaking 3 or 4 so so safety look we have now.

He is the freak or premier athlete in the draft without all the hyped upside or what if crap surrounding him. he is what he is. a freaking football player that you can get your money out of in more ways than 90% of the players on the saints today. RB LB SS special teams. he can open up a few rosters spots with his pick alone.

Shaq as a SS/LB type sealing up the middle of the field.

i like the the mix.

been waiting for his name to pop up.

Really can't agree with anything you said...

First, your trying to convert a LB/RB to a SS... I don't know where to start with that, because we have had such great success developing talent in the past right...

Secondly, there is no need for a true SS because the league is moving away from them all together. Furthermore we have 3 tremendous safeties on the roster already with Byrd, Warren and Bush. Byrd and Warren should start and Bush would be a great backup if one gets hurt; both Byrd and Warren tackle and play the run well so there is no need for a true SS.

Lastly, I really hope we don't take on any hybrid type players. Vaccaro is that type of player and we don't know how to manage them. The Saints organization is extremely poor at developing talent on the defensive side so it's important we are drafting players that have a defined role and can start day one.

I really dislike the prospect of Shaq for our team.

12-23-2014, 03:48 PM	#5
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12-24-2014, 08:27 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,768 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre What I Want For Christmas?!? An Outside Linebacker Like This... Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube ... reminds me of the late great Sean Taylor with more versatility. jeanpierre and Cscofield28 like this.

12-25-2014, 02:19 AM	#8
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre What I Want For Christmas?!? An Outside Linebacker Like This... Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube Saints NEED a playmaker like this on D!!!! Please let's not screw this one up.

12-25-2014, 06:27 AM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre What I Want For Christmas?!? An Outside Linebacker Like This... Shaq Thompson - UW Ultimate Highlights [BEAST] á´´á´° - YouTube might just be the best football player in the draft. starting SS? that would make a ton of sense. side line to side line speed and keep him in the action. He has played it before and I bet he would lead this team in tackles season 1. at 6’1”, 237 4.56 he can either be an under sized OLB or a massive safety with solid speed. take your pick. all i know is i feel comfortable in saying he is a better SS and cover guy than kenny coming out of college. fluid movement dropping back into coverage. solid one-on-one match ups with tight ends the kenny test this year was a flop. he is not a true SS so do not be surprised by a safety pick. we do not have a starter at that position and we all know we love safeties. solid back ups but a starter? want to get the most out of the Byrd signing get him some help back there. Then add a CB or two in rounds 2 or 3 or 4. talent is there. all better prospects than SJB. I am betting he would have fallen into the 4/5 or 5/6 range this year. with him on the field it would be like having 4 LB at all times vs this freaking 3 or 4 so so safety look we have now. He is the freak or premier athlete in the draft without all the hyped upside or what if crap surrounding him. he is what he is. a freaking football player that you can get your money out of in more ways than 90% of the players on the saints today. RB LB SS special teams. he can open up a few rosters spots with his pick alone. Shaq as a SS/LB type sealing up the middle of the field. i like the the mix. been waiting for his name to pop up. K Major likes this.
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12-25-2014, 08:19 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 might just be the best football player in the draft. starting SS? that would make a ton of sense. side line to side line speed and keep him in the action. He has played it before and I bet he would lead this team in tackles season 1. at 6’1”, 237 4.56 he can either be an under sized OLB or a massive safety with solid speed. take your pick. all i know is i feel comfortable in saying he is a better SS and cover guy than kenny coming out of college. fluid movement dropping back into coverage. solid one-on-one match ups with tight ends the kenny test this year was a flop. he is not a true SS so do not be surprised by a safety pick. we do not have a starter at that position and we all know we love safeties. solid back ups but a starter? want to get the most out of the Byrd signing get him some help back there. Then add a CB or two in rounds 2 or 3 or 4. talent is there. all better prospects than SJB. I am betting he would have fallen into the 4/5 or 5/6 range this year. with him on the field it would be like having 4 LB at all times vs this freaking 3 or 4 so so safety look we have now. He is the freak or premier athlete in the draft without all the hyped upside or what if crap surrounding him. he is what he is. a freaking football player that you can get your money out of in more ways than 90% of the players on the saints today. RB LB SS special teams. he can open up a few rosters spots with his pick alone. Shaq as a SS/LB type sealing up the middle of the field. i like the the mix. been waiting for his name to pop up. Really can't agree with anything you said... First, your trying to convert a LB/RB to a SS... I don't know where to start with that, because we have had such great success developing talent in the past right... Secondly, there is no need for a true SS because the league is moving away from them all together. Furthermore we have 3 tremendous safeties on the roster already with Byrd, Warren and Bush. Byrd and Warren should start and Bush would be a great backup if one gets hurt; both Byrd and Warren tackle and play the run well so there is no need for a true SS. Lastly, I really hope we don't take on any hybrid type players. Vaccaro is that type of player and we don't know how to manage them. The Saints organization is extremely poor at developing talent on the defensive side so it's important we are drafting players that have a defined role and can start day one. I really dislike the prospect of Shaq for our team.

12-23-2014, 03:29 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by blackangold Can anyone tell me how deep this draft is and at what position is it deepest? Last year was a deep draft at WR, is there any position like that this time around? I wonder if trading back is actually the answer. Trading back could be great if done right.I would love a #1, 2-#2 and a extra 4th, I got no ideal how to pull that out but if we pick around 7th or 8th I think trading down slowly it could be done, even if we give up next years 7th. Hell we give alot for Ingram and Cooks why wouldn't another team. And while I'm on the subject a couple trades could happen and we clean house in the draft, my nominees are #1Graham- to soft.#2. Bush- much overrated in my book that comment can be said for #1 also.#3. I would defenitly send feelers to teams on JR. ( do a little fishin' to see if you get a big enough bite, if so SET THE HOOK) Graham will net a #1, Bush a #4, and JR.well he might be gold but I would take no less than 2 #2

12-24-2014, 11:08 AM	#2
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by blackangold Can anyone tell me how deep this draft is and at what position is it deepest? Last year was a deep draft at WR, is there any position like that this time around? I wonder if trading back is actually the answer. Deep(er) positions: RB, Pass Rusher, OT Examples: RB: Todd Gurley - Georgia Melvin Gordon - Wisconsin Tevin Coleman - Indiana Ameer Abdullah - Nebraska TJ Yeldon - Alabama Jay Ajayi - Boise State Duke Johnson - Miami Mike Davis - South Carolina David Cobb - Minnesota Javorius Allen - USC OT: (good amount of draftable talent in the 1st rd compared to last year) Brandon Scherff - Iowa La'el Collins - LSU Ronnie Stanley - Notre Dame Andrus Peat - Stanford Cedric Ogbuehi - Texas A&M TJ Clemmings - Pittsburgh Ty Sambrailo - Colorado State Ereck Flowers - Miami Spencer Drango - Baylor Jake Fisher - Oregon Pass Rusher(DE/OLB): Randy Gregory - Nebraska Shane Ray - Missouri Shawn Oakman - Baylor Vic Beasley - Clemson Dante Fowler Jr - Florida Alvin Dupree - Kentucky Shilique Calhoun - Michigan State Nate Orchard - Utah Danielle Hunter - LSU Lorenzo Mauldin - Louisville Hauoli Kikaha - Washington Arik Armstead - Oregon(more of an all around DE) jeanpierre, blackangold and K Major like this.

12-24-2014, 01:41 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by Sarik Deep(er) positions: RB, Pass Rusher, OT Examples: Pass Rusher(DE/OLB): Randy Gregory - Nebraska Shane Ray - Missouri Shawn Oakman - Baylor Vic Beasley - Clemson Dante Fowler Jr - Florida Alvin Dupree - Kentucky Shilique Calhoun - Michigan State Nate Orchard - Utah Danielle Hunter - LSU Lorenzo Mauldin - Louisville Hauoli Kikaha - Washington Arik Armstead - Oregon(more of an all around DE) I would like anyone of the top 4 on this list, and we should be in position to get one of them. After the pass rusher is addressed we need to get a few young and hungry DTs along with early pick(s) at OG.

12-25-2014, 06:05 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by blackangold Can anyone tell me how deep this draft is and at what position is it deepest? Last year was a deep draft at WR, is there any position like that this time around? I wonder if trading back is actually the answer. CB IMO is the deepest i have seen in a long time I believe a starter can be had all the way to to the third. I am talking man cover types. Size speed and attitude some solid prospects through the 5th. some solid gambles from there on. Whole bunch the can do that CB to S dance without missing a beat. this has a good chance of being the year of the CB.

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