2015 draft??

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 05:04 AM

Some interesting prospect around the back end of the first round.

Not really looked alot at some of these players due to them not being top 15 picks and probably gone by our second rounder.

Thoughts on any of these

DTARIK ARMSTEAD
OREGON PAC-12

COMBINE RESULTS
40 -5.10 SEC
Bench - 24 REPS
Vert - 34.0 INCH
Broad - 117.0 INCH
3 cone - 7.57 SEC
Shuttle - 4.53 SEC

6'7" HEIGHT
33" ARM LENGTH
292LBS. WEIGHT
10 1/2" HANDS

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Improved by leaps and bounds from 2013 to 2014. Elite size with ability to add more bulk to his frame. Quick-twitch athlete. Explodes upfield into blockers with good pad level and hip snap, gaining instant leverage against the run and often jarring them into the backfield. Gets good arm extension to control offensive linemen and peppers them with powerful hands. Can unlock quickly from blocks. Has above-average tackle radius thanks to his length and quickness.

WEAKNESSES
Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish.

SOURCES TELL US
"I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scout

NFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell

BOTTOM LINE
Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point.

Oregon defensive lineman Arik Armstead runs the 40 - YouTube

Arik Armstead \|\| Oregon Highlights - YouTube

Remember at the end of this coming season both Cam and Hicks are out of contract

FinSaint · 03-14-2015, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

DT ARIK ARMSTEAD
OREGON PAC-12

COMBINE RESULTS
40 -5.10 SEC
Bench - 24 REPS
Vert - 34.0 INCH
Broad - 117.0 INCH
3 cone - 7.57 SEC
Shuttle - 4.53 SEC

6'7" HEIGHT
33" ARM LENGTH
292LBS. WEIGHT
10 1/2" HANDS

WEAKNESSES
Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish.

SOURCES TELL US
"I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scout

NFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell

BOTTOM LINE
Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have

that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is

FinSaint · 03-14-2015, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have

that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is

True, and I'm intrigued by him all right. I just believe that all 1st rounders should be ready to start right away - at least in theory - and I don't think anyone can say that about this kid.

03-14-2015, 07:40 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by lee909 DT ARIK ARMSTEAD OREGON PAC-12 COMBINE RESULTS 40 -5.10 SEC Bench - 24 REPS Vert - 34.0 INCH Broad - 117.0 INCH 3 cone - 7.57 SEC Shuttle - 4.53 SEC 6'7" HEIGHT 33" ARM LENGTH 292LBS. WEIGHT 10 1/2" HANDS WEAKNESSES Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish. SOURCES TELL US "I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scout NFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell BOTTOM LINE Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point. I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
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03-14-2015, 07:46 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by FinSaint I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball. he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is
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03-14-2015, 07:53 AM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is True, and I'm intrigued by him all right. I just believe that all 1st rounders should be ready to start right away - at least in theory - and I don't think anyone can say that about this kid.

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