Saints 23, Tampa 20

ScottF · 04-22-2015, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Maybe a TD or sack enables a veteran to hit an earmark or make the PB but it doesn't happen because they are benched for backups. I know teams bench starters if they are in the Playoffs but that is a much different situation. Just playing devil's advocate here, something to think about if you are a veteran on a bad team. I would not want to lose a big incentive over a draft pick. I would be quite upset about it and would want to be traded if I missed it knowing I could have likely achieved it in two benched quarters.

True, but what if you are Ryan Griffin, Stanley J-B, Powell, S.Jones, B. Coleman, etc? There will never be an opportunity to get game experience like this.
Lose the battle, win the war.

Mr.Riaton · 04-22-2015, 08:50 AM

I agree that we shouldn't just lay over and quit. You do play to win the game. That being said, it was a very pathetic, meaningless win in a pathetic, meaningless game. I agree that we should've let our backups play for evaluation purposes going into the off-season. Nobody seems to complain when we pull our starters going into the playoffs. I dont really care that much about our draft position. We could have the number one pick and he could turn out to be a failure. Many of the stars in this league aren't first rounders. The draft really is an educated guess.

brees84 · 04-22-2015, 09:38 AM

We were trying so hard to win that game (with our starters) and Tampa was trying so hard to lose (with backups).

We barely won. That's pathetic.

vpheughan · 04-22-2015, 11:19 AM

Big picture of this: Coach to starter "We're going to sit you this game so we lose and get a higher draft choice to come in and take your job next year." Anything for the team ( I won't be on next year ) coach!!

ScottF · 04-22-2015, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Big picture of this: Coach to starter "We're going to sit you this game so we lose and get a higher draft choice to come in and take your job next year." Anything for the team ( I won't be on next year ) coach!!

But that was happening anyway- we have shed 12 already players since that game. The players put themselves in that position.

As far as incentives, just as an example, if Gallette got 2 sacks in that game, he would have gotten $2.5 million. Other than JG and his agent, who would think that was reasonable?

RaginCajun83 · 04-22-2015, 01:30 PM

Well if he would of shown up in the previous 15 games, Gallette would of had that incentive hit before the TB game, sitting starters for a draft pick is what the Titans and Jaguars do, Saints and Payton do not

Jamessr · 04-22-2015, 06:18 PM

Loosing a game on purpose...
Not sure I like that mindset in the locker room.
Draft posistion is next year. Anyone remember Finish Strong?

saintsfan1976 · 04-22-2015, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Lol.

Football should be played like chess not checkers.

I for one am glad people don't always agree. If everyone agreed this would be a boring forum.

Winning tge game had no tangible effect on the team while losing would have. It also would have been a great time to try out sjb and powell.

It's not about forum harmony. Trust me, I enjoy debating. Do you think I'm only here for the cats???

I just don't like the "we should quit" mentality on any team.

Besides, how do you know Payton wasn't using that game to assess who should be cut/traded?

saintsfan1976 · 04-22-2015, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Well if he would of shown up in the previous 15 games, Gallette would of had that incentive hit before the TB game, sitting starters for a draft pick is what the Titans and Jaguars do, Saints and Payton do not

Galette was #2 in the NFL with 29 QB hurries. 3 behind JJ Watt and 3 ahead of Justin Houston.

It's not like he wasn't getting there. Our secondary wasn't covering worth a $hit.

RaginCajun83 · 04-22-2015, 09:36 PM

So what, if he was as good as those stats say then the CBs wouldn't had to cover as long as they had to during games last season

04-22-2015, 08:46 AM	#31
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by Beastmode Maybe a TD or sack enables a veteran to hit an earmark or make the PB but it doesn't happen because they are benched for backups. I know teams bench starters if they are in the Playoffs but that is a much different situation. Just playing devil's advocate here, something to think about if you are a veteran on a bad team. I would not want to lose a big incentive over a draft pick. I would be quite upset about it and would want to be traded if I missed it knowing I could have likely achieved it in two benched quarters. True, but what if you are Ryan Griffin, Stanley J-B, Powell, S.Jones, B. Coleman, etc? There will never be an opportunity to get game experience like this. Lose the battle, win the war.

04-22-2015, 08:50 AM	#32
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 I agree that we shouldn't just lay over and quit. You do play to win the game. That being said, it was a very pathetic, meaningless win in a pathetic, meaningless game. I agree that we should've let our backups play for evaluation purposes going into the off-season. Nobody seems to complain when we pull our starters going into the playoffs. I dont really care that much about our draft position. We could have the number one pick and he could turn out to be a failure. Many of the stars in this league aren't first rounders. The draft really is an educated guess. Danno likes this.

04-22-2015, 09:38 AM	#33
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 We were trying so hard to win that game (with our starters) and Tampa was trying so hard to lose (with backups). We barely won. That's pathetic. spkb25 and nola_swammi like this.
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04-22-2015, 11:19 AM	#34
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,519	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Big picture of this: Coach to starter "We're going to sit you this game so we lose and get a higher draft choice to come in and take your job next year." Anything for the team ( I won't be on next year ) coach!! RaginCajun83 likes this.
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04-22-2015, 12:32 PM	#35
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by vpheughan Big picture of this: Coach to starter "We're going to sit you this game so we lose and get a higher draft choice to come in and take your job next year." Anything for the team ( I won't be on next year ) coach!! But that was happening anyway- we have shed 12 already players since that game. The players put themselves in that position. As far as incentives, just as an example, if Gallette got 2 sacks in that game, he would have gotten $2.5 million. Other than JG and his agent, who would think that was reasonable?

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04-22-2015, 01:30 PM	#36
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Well if he would of shown up in the previous 15 games, Gallette would of had that incentive hit before the TB game, sitting starters for a draft pick is what the Titans and Jaguars do, Saints and Payton do not

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Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Loosing a game on purpose... Not sure I like that mindset in the locker room. Draft posistion is next year. Anyone remember Finish Strong? saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by blackangold Lol. Football should be played like chess not checkers. I for one am glad people don't always agree. If everyone agreed this would be a boring forum. Winning tge game had no tangible effect on the team while losing would have. It also would have been a great time to try out sjb and powell. It's not about forum harmony. Trust me, I enjoy debating. Do you think I'm only here for the cats??? I just don't like the "we should quit" mentality on any team. Besides, how do you know Payton wasn't using that game to assess who should be cut/traded?

04-22-2015, 09:12 PM	#39
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Well if he would of shown up in the previous 15 games, Gallette would of had that incentive hit before the TB game, sitting starters for a draft pick is what the Titans and Jaguars do, Saints and Payton do not Galette was #2 in the NFL with 29 QB hurries. 3 behind JJ Watt and 3 ahead of Justin Houston. It's not like he wasn't getting there. Our secondary wasn't covering worth a $hit.

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 So what, if he was as good as those stats say then the CBs wouldn't had to cover as long as they had to during games last season

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