Saints 23, Tampa 20

ScottF · 04-21-2015, 02:35 PM

Impact of our last-game meaningless win over Tampa:
we dropped 5 draft spots (would be picking 8th) and we play Detroit and Arizona instead of Minnesota and San Fran

Danno · 04-21-2015, 02:44 PM

Wouldn't every win account for that drop?

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2015, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wouldn't every win account for that drop?

Exactly. I have never and will never hope for a Saints loss. To hell with draft position.

SmashMouth · 04-21-2015, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wouldn't every win account for that drop?

Depends from your vantage point. From the comfort of your armchair and 20/20 hindsight, there are two possibilities. If you have those crystal ball abilities, an argument could be made that yes, indeed, every win accounts for that drop. That would mean that SP knew what his won/loss record was going to be... which is of course preposterous. So the second possibility is much more plausible in that the whole world knew within a spot or two what the outcome of that game would represent, win or lose, , including SP. So we went for the win, as we should have, and used the opportunity to evaluate talent for the hard decisions after the season and the cap decisions right before the draft. And we slip a few spots in the draft. Draft position sure has not bothered BB too much over the years. Saints just have not been as good as they should have recently.

RaginCajun83 · 04-21-2015, 03:07 PM

I'd rather they win and loose 8 spots in a crap shoot than lie down to a crappy team

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

I'd rather they win and loose 8 spots in a crap shoot than lie down to a crappy team

A team that could have beat us if they wanted too. Let's not pretend we won that game. Tampa gave it to us.

TwistedTiger · 04-21-2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

I'd rather they win and loose 8 spots in a crap shoot than lie down to a crappy team

Exactly! You play to win and the let chips fall where they may.

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 03:28 PM

When you play for nothing, and winning is detrimental to the future of the team you sit your players.

We are the real losers of the Tampa game. Tampa worked us until the 4th qtr, proved to themselves they could win if they wanted it then pulled their players and just ran it up the gut 3 downs and punted.

Everyone would be pissed if Brees got injured playing in a meaningless game yet no one cares winning that game might have cost us Beasley or Shelton. Instead we are hoping someone drops, shortsighted thinking at it's finest.

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2015, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

When you play for nothing, and winning is detrimental to the future of the team you sit your players.

We are the real losers of the Tampa game. Tampa worked us until the 4th qtr, proved to themselves they could win if they wanted it then pulled their players and just ran it up the gut 3 downs and punted.

Everyone would be pissed if Brees got injured playing in a meaningless game yet no one cares winning that game might have cost us Beasley or Shelton. Instead we are hoping someone drops, shortsighted thinking at it's finest.

Only losers do that. We'll get whomever we get and we will continue to try to win every single game. I repeat, only losers think about the draft.

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Only losers do that. We'll get whomever we get and we will continue to try to win every single game. I repeat, only losers think about the draft.

We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride.

If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head.

04-21-2015, 02:35 PM	#1
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Wouldn't every win account for that drop? leilung, AsylumGuido and FinSaint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by Danno Wouldn't every win account for that drop? Exactly. I have never and will never hope for a Saints loss. To hell with draft position. jnormand, Ashley, B_Dub_Saint and 3 others like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by Danno Wouldn't every win account for that drop? Depends from your vantage point. From the comfort of your armchair and 20/20 hindsight, there are two possibilities. If you have those crystal ball abilities, an argument could be made that yes, indeed, every win accounts for that drop. That would mean that SP knew what his won/loss record was going to be... which is of course preposterous. So the second possibility is much more plausible in that the whole world knew within a spot or two what the outcome of that game would represent, win or lose, , including SP. So we went for the win, as we should have, and used the opportunity to evaluate talent for the hard decisions after the season and the cap decisions right before the draft. And we slip a few spots in the draft. Draft position sure has not bothered BB too much over the years. Saints just have not been as good as they should have recently.

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 I'd rather they win and loose 8 spots in a crap shoot than lie down to a crappy team jnormand, B_Dub_Saint, Jamessr and 3 others like this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 I'd rather they win and loose 8 spots in a crap shoot than lie down to a crappy team A team that could have beat us if they wanted too. Let's not pretend we won that game. Tampa gave it to us.

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TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 I'd rather they win and loose 8 spots in a crap shoot than lie down to a crappy team Exactly! You play to win and the let chips fall where they may.
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04-21-2015, 03:28 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 When you play for nothing, and winning is detrimental to the future of the team you sit your players. We are the real losers of the Tampa game. Tampa worked us until the 4th qtr, proved to themselves they could win if they wanted it then pulled their players and just ran it up the gut 3 downs and punted. Everyone would be pissed if Brees got injured playing in a meaningless game yet no one cares winning that game might have cost us Beasley or Shelton. Instead we are hoping someone drops, shortsighted thinking at it's finest.

04-21-2015, 04:10 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by blackangold When you play for nothing, and winning is detrimental to the future of the team you sit your players. We are the real losers of the Tampa game. Tampa worked us until the 4th qtr, proved to themselves they could win if they wanted it then pulled their players and just ran it up the gut 3 downs and punted. Everyone would be pissed if Brees got injured playing in a meaningless game yet no one cares winning that game might have cost us Beasley or Shelton. Instead we are hoping someone drops, shortsighted thinking at it's finest. Only losers do that. We'll get whomever we get and we will continue to try to win every single game. I repeat, only losers think about the draft. jnormand likes this.

04-21-2015, 04:14 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Only losers do that. We'll get whomever we get and we will continue to try to win every single game. I repeat, only losers think about the draft. We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride. If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head.

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