4th and 20 D was Sean's call

halloween 65 · 08-14-2015, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite .

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

Without a stud up front it may be a long season. I also think we have enough speed, enough for a 3-4. I don't like our D coaches(Vitt and Johnson) not being able to get this down, there are better out there than those 2 to teach and get the most out of their players.

xan · 08-14-2015, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless.

I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing.

I couldn't be bothered to pay attention either. There's enough frustrating stuff to watch than the paroxysm that is the 1st Saints' preseason game. This is either going to be representative of the team, or it won't. We won't really know until the 3rd preseason game at best.

That being said, $150 million in salaries would have projected a slightly more coherent 1st game than has been reported. Is the altitude in WVa causing brain damage?

SaintsBro · 08-14-2015, 08:39 AM

Wasn't there somebody in camp or in the B&G scrimmages, who kept saying that the tight ends were always ridiculously open? I seem to remember an article or a blog, I remember reading somebody mentioning that it was hard to tell from practice if the Saints tight ends were really good or if the defense was really bad, but it kept happening in practice or in camp, and I seem to remember someone mentioning it, not sure where I read it....I have a feeling that tight ends are going to kill us again this year, 3rd down and 4th down, just like last year....oh man.

skymike · 08-14-2015, 09:08 AM

I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season.

Both lines getting punked.
Defense giving up big stupid plays, on 3rd & 4th & long.
Stupid penalties. Anyone who cant figure out where to line up, or how to
figure out where the line of scrimmage is, shouldnt play football.
No pass rush.
Poor blitz pickup.
Some flashes of offense.

Looks like the backups are chips off the old starters blocks.

It sure looks like real problems to me.
For now, we suck.

jeanpierre · 08-14-2015, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season.

Exactly...

While I'm nowhere near panic mode, or more accurately - soured; that game threaded out like many of the disappointed losses we had last season, so there is some concern...

There's time to get it fixed...

But the big concerns I have is Payton making that call and neither Ryan nor Allen being strong enough to say "no" and the other is with a semi-jailhouse blitz we weren't even able to get near the quarterback...

WTF is the pressure going to coming from because Cam Jordan is going to bring it consistently...

skymike · 08-14-2015, 04:18 PM

I think he's just covering for Rob.

|Mitch| · 08-14-2015, 06:39 PM

Who cares; it's preseason... What better time to try it and see how it works out?

burningmetal · 08-14-2015, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season.

Both lines getting punked.
Defense giving up big stupid plays, on 3rd & 4th & long.
Stupid penalties. Anyone who cant figure out where to line up, or how to
figure out where the line of scrimmage is, shouldnt play football.
No pass rush.
Poor blitz pickup.
Some flashes of offense.

Looks like the backups are chips off the old starters blocks.

It sure looks like real problems to me.
For now, we suck.

The thing is, you could be right are it could be nothing. I get that people aren't impressed. I'm never impressed by these games, no matter what happens. There just isn't any way of knowing how guys will be lined up or how much harder they will play when it actually matters.

I remember in Sean's first year here we went 1-3 in pre-season. It wasn't just the record that looked bad. I remember we got blown out by Dallas in one of those games, 30-7. They looked completely inept and were coming off that 3-13 season. We all had high hopes for Brees, but it just looked like the team was too bad.

Well, we all remember how that season ended up, and we beat that same Dallas team 42-14, or whatever it was. Now we could have an identical performance in this pre-season and end up being bad. The point is that it tells us almost nothing. That's just how I see it. I'm not justifying any of the bad, but I've seen too many weird things in these games to really form an actual opinion over it.

skymike · 08-15-2015, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

The thing is, you could be right are it could be nothing. I get that people aren't impressed. I'm never impressed by these games, no matter what happens. There just isn't any way of knowing how guys will be lined up or how much harder they will play when it actually matters.

I remember in Sean's first year here we went 1-3 in pre-season. It wasn't just the record that looked bad. I remember we got blown out by Dallas in one of those games, 30-7. They looked completely inept and were coming off that 3-13 season. We all had high hopes for Brees, but it just looked like the team was too bad.

Well, we all remember how that season ended up, and we beat that same Dallas team 42-14, or whatever it was. Now we could have an identical performance in this pre-season and end up being bad. The point is that it tells us almost nothing. That's just how I see it. I'm not justifying any of the bad, but I've seen too many weird things in these games to really form an actual opinion over it.

thats such a fantastic point, BM, that I just happened to invoke the horrible Shreveport Cowboys preseason game in another thread, and I noted that a few weeks later, a certain guy blocked a punt vs. Atlanta, and the rest is history.

Suffice to say, we look like complete garbage now, but that doesnt mean I wont be there for the opener, and I'll be there all season, raising hell, and I
BELIEVE.

burningmetal · 08-18-2015, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

thats such a fantastic point, BM, that I just happened to invoke the horrible Shreveport Cowboys preseason game in another thread, and I noted that a few weeks later, a certain guy blocked a punt vs. Atlanta, and the rest is history.

Suffice to say, we look like complete garbage now, but that doesnt mean I wont be there for the opener, and I'll be there all season, raising hell, and I
BELIEVE.

I know you'll be there, man. I'm never going to be that guy who says you aren't a fan because you see something a little different than me. As far as the season goes, it'll be what it'll be. As you can tell, I just really care nothing for the pre-season.

08-14-2015, 02:02 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by K Major Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite . I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense. Without a stud up front it may be a long season. I also think we have enough speed, enough for a 3-4. I don't like our D coaches(Vitt and Johnson) not being able to get this down, there are better out there than those 2 to teach and get the most out of their players.

08-14-2015, 11:39 AM	#2
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by burningmetal I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless. I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing. I couldn't be bothered to pay attention either. There's enough frustrating stuff to watch than the paroxysm that is the 1st Saints' preseason game. This is either going to be representative of the team, or it won't. We won't really know until the 3rd preseason game at best. That being said, $150 million in salaries would have projected a slightly more coherent 1st game than has been reported. Is the altitude in WVa causing brain damage?

08-14-2015, 08:39 AM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Wasn't there somebody in camp or in the B&G scrimmages, who kept saying that the tight ends were always ridiculously open? I seem to remember an article or a blog, I remember reading somebody mentioning that it was hard to tell from practice if the Saints tight ends were really good or if the defense was really bad, but it kept happening in practice or in camp, and I seem to remember someone mentioning it, not sure where I read it....I have a feeling that tight ends are going to kill us again this year, 3rd down and 4th down, just like last year....oh man. hagan714 and Beastmode like this.

08-14-2015, 09:08 AM	#4
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season. Both lines getting punked. Defense giving up big stupid plays, on 3rd & 4th & long. Stupid penalties. Anyone who cant figure out where to line up, or how to figure out where the line of scrimmage is, shouldnt play football. No pass rush. Poor blitz pickup. Some flashes of offense. Looks like the backups are chips off the old starters blocks. It sure looks like real problems to me. For now, we suck. jnormand, RailBoss, hagan714 and 2 others like this.

08-14-2015, 11:50 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by skymike I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season. Exactly... While I'm nowhere near panic mode, or more accurately - soured; that game threaded out like many of the disappointed losses we had last season, so there is some concern... There's time to get it fixed... But the big concerns I have is Payton making that call and neither Ryan nor Allen being strong enough to say "no" and the other is with a semi-jailhouse blitz we weren't even able to get near the quarterback... WTF is the pressure going to coming from because Cam Jordan is going to bring it consistently... hagan714 likes this.

08-14-2015, 04:18 PM	#6
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call I think he's just covering for Rob.

08-14-2015, 06:39 PM	#7
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Who cares; it's preseason... What better time to try it and see how it works out? Danno likes this.

08-14-2015, 08:39 PM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by skymike I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season. Both lines getting punked. Defense giving up big stupid plays, on 3rd & 4th & long. Stupid penalties. Anyone who cant figure out where to line up, or how to figure out where the line of scrimmage is, shouldnt play football. No pass rush. Poor blitz pickup. Some flashes of offense. Looks like the backups are chips off the old starters blocks. It sure looks like real problems to me. For now, we suck. The thing is, you could be right are it could be nothing. I get that people aren't impressed. I'm never impressed by these games, no matter what happens. There just isn't any way of knowing how guys will be lined up or how much harder they will play when it actually matters. I remember in Sean's first year here we went 1-3 in pre-season. It wasn't just the record that looked bad. I remember we got blown out by Dallas in one of those games, 30-7. They looked completely inept and were coming off that 3-13 season. We all had high hopes for Brees, but it just looked like the team was too bad. Well, we all remember how that season ended up, and we beat that same Dallas team 42-14, or whatever it was. Now we could have an identical performance in this pre-season and end up being bad. The point is that it tells us almost nothing. That's just how I see it. I'm not justifying any of the bad, but I've seen too many weird things in these games to really form an actual opinion over it.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-15-2015, 12:05 AM	#9
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by burningmetal The thing is, you could be right are it could be nothing. I get that people aren't impressed. I'm never impressed by these games, no matter what happens. There just isn't any way of knowing how guys will be lined up or how much harder they will play when it actually matters. I remember in Sean's first year here we went 1-3 in pre-season. It wasn't just the record that looked bad. I remember we got blown out by Dallas in one of those games, 30-7. They looked completely inept and were coming off that 3-13 season. We all had high hopes for Brees, but it just looked like the team was too bad. Well, we all remember how that season ended up, and we beat that same Dallas team 42-14, or whatever it was. Now we could have an identical performance in this pre-season and end up being bad. The point is that it tells us almost nothing. That's just how I see it. I'm not justifying any of the bad, but I've seen too many weird things in these games to really form an actual opinion over it. thats such a fantastic point, BM, that I just happened to invoke the horrible Shreveport Cowboys preseason game in another thread, and I noted that a few weeks later, a certain guy blocked a punt vs. Atlanta, and the rest is history. Suffice to say, we look like complete garbage now, but that doesnt mean I wont be there for the opener, and I'll be there all season, raising hell, and I BELIEVE. iceshack149 likes this.

08-18-2015, 05:32 AM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by skymike thats such a fantastic point, BM, that I just happened to invoke the horrible Shreveport Cowboys preseason game in another thread, and I noted that a few weeks later, a certain guy blocked a punt vs. Atlanta, and the rest is history. Suffice to say, we look like complete garbage now, but that doesnt mean I wont be there for the opener, and I'll be there all season, raising hell, and I BELIEVE. I know you'll be there, man. I'm never going to be that guy who says you aren't a fan because you see something a little different than me. As far as the season goes, it'll be what it'll be. As you can tell, I just really care nothing for the pre-season.

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