Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident

The Dude · 04-12-2016, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

It's the threat that he was going to shoot Hayes and will smith having a loaded gun in his vehicle that will set this guy free. "Stand your ground law"

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard.

The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground.

There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case.

And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana

nola_swammi · 04-12-2016, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard.

The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground.

There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case.

And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana

Will Smith was not in his car, he was walking toward his car I assume since he was shot in the back and side. Yes, he died in his car after being shot outside the car I assume. I am waiting to see all the facts. By will smith claiming to get his gun and have a loaded gun in his car can be perceive as a threat. If Hayes got out his car with his gun and approached will smith then you absolutely correct stand your ground will not apply

In the United States, a stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a law that authorizes an individual to protect and defend their own life and limb against threat or perceived threat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 11:38 PM

Even then, call the police and your insurance company, don't chase the hit & runner down and shoot him...

Still claiming self-defense

dizzle88 · 04-12-2016, 06:50 AM

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SmashMouth · 04-12-2016, 06:53 AM

Surveillance video near Will Smith shooting shows possible hit and run

RaginCajun83 · 04-12-2016, 05:04 PM

BREAKING: Police: Loaded gun found in Will Smith's vehicle; second loaded gun also in Cardell Hayes' vehicle

from wwl.com

44Champs · 04-12-2016, 05:47 PM

This might get really interesting

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|Mitch| · 04-12-2016, 05:58 PM

Danno · 04-12-2016, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

This might get really interesting

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Yep, perhaps Will threatened Hayes and went to his car to get his gun, and Hayes shot him before Will got his gun? That would explain why the shooter didn't flee the scene.

It is about to get interesting.

This dude may walk.

44Champs · 04-12-2016, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Yep, perhaps Will threatened Hayes and went to his car to get his gun, and Hayes shot him before Will got his gun? That would explain why the shooter didn't flee the scene.

It is about to get interesting.

This dude may walk.

Exactly what I'm thinking

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04-12-2016, 08:42 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,064	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by nola_swammi It's the threat that he was going to shoot Hayes and will smith having a loaded gun in his vehicle that will set this guy free. "Stand your ground law" You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard. The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground. There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case. And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana OldMaid and SloMotion like this.
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04-12-2016, 10:09 PM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by The Dude You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard. The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground. There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case. And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana Will Smith was not in his car, he was walking toward his car I assume since he was shot in the back and side. Yes, he died in his car after being shot outside the car I assume. I am waiting to see all the facts. By will smith claiming to get his gun and have a loaded gun in his car can be perceive as a threat. If Hayes got out his car with his gun and approached will smith then you absolutely correct stand your ground will not apply In the United States, a stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a law that authorizes an individual to protect and defend their own life and limb against threat or perceived threat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

04-11-2016, 11:38 PM	#3
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by 44Champs This might get really interesting Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Yep, perhaps Will threatened Hayes and went to his car to get his gun, and Hayes shot him before Will got his gun? That would explain why the shooter didn't flee the scene. It is about to get interesting. This dude may walk.

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44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by Danno Yep, perhaps Will threatened Hayes and went to his car to get his gun, and Hayes shot him before Will got his gun? That would explain why the shooter didn't flee the scene. It is about to get interesting. This dude may walk. Exactly what I'm thinking Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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