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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't say that Brees is average. Refer to my most recent reply to you, and I have addressed most of your points. I merely brought up that what is considered "value" has been more about ...
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08-15-2016, 11:10 AM | #81 |
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Originally Posted by burningmetal
He fumbles a lot?
In 2015 he was tied for 20th in the league for QB fumbles, meaning 19 QB's had more fumbles. 2014 - tied 15th 2013 - tied 20th 2012 - tied 24th 2011 - tied 50th (only one fumble all season) Interestingly enough, the season Brees had the most fumbles was in the Super Bowl year of 2009 with a total of ten, losing six of those. Sorry, but you do not base your skewed beliefs on many concrete facts. Just saying. |
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Also consider the fact that Brees is usually up among the top three or four in passing attempts so his chances of having a fumble created are far greater than almost all NFL QB's. Brees does not have an issue fumbling the ball. In fact, he is probably among the all-time leaders in the NFL with fumbles per attempt.
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08-15-2016, 12:28 PM | #83 |
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
yep you'd have to take the amount of fumbles vs snaps to get a %
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08-15-2016, 12:31 PM | #84 |
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
"we" already KNOW he can't throw as far as he used to. LMAO, since when??
Every player is subject to being injured at any given moment or play. Physically he is fine, an unexpected injury (like the one he had in SD) cannot be prevented, age or no age. Under that logic each and every player would be signed to 1 year contracts, give me abreak btw, im agreeing with you |
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Pick 6s and red zone picks are one of the leading causes or high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks.
Every QB throws pick 6s and has red zone/end zone interceptions. Backup QBs are no different. Fumbles happen too. If Brees went down I think Luke would be fine - Not Brees, but he would be fine. I think the system would lend to his success. (I'm going to say this and then duck) I think much of Brees success has to do with Sean Payton's system. Had he ended up some place else in 2006, we may not even be hearing his name anymore. Not that he's not elite, but a QB is nothing without protection and catchers. Brees has been blessed with both. I think Payton would position McKown to do what he does best. McKown is a good manager. He would do fine. |
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People always say what a great pair Brees and Payton are. But, the reason they work so well together is because Bree's has excellent decision making abilities, pocket mobility, and an extremely accurate arm. Not that it's the ultimate deciding factor, but how many probowl receivers has Brees had? Graham? I guess I'm just trying to say Payton has a great system, but it takes a great QB to run it. My 2 cents.
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In ways I both agree and disagree
Whilst I agree that the system is designed to Brees' attributes and therefore lends to his success, Brees pocket awareness are mostly to thank for a lot of the TD's he throws. Not only does he make the O line look better, but besides Cooks and Meacham, he's never had a first round pick at WR. Now obviously what round someone is picked isn't always important, but a great player makes the others around him better and that's exactly what Brees does - some of it because of scheme, a lot of it from his insane work ethic and tape study. McCown played very admirably when Brees was out vs Panthers and Josh Norman made a great play at the end, however, with the game on the line you don't throw a jump ball to Brandin Cooks for the win, as he will lose that matchup, just like we lost the game. |
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Yeah...did you watch the preseason game? McCown looked worse than GG. I think you're right about SP putting him in position to be successful, but that only last a game or two. Josh would not carry us for a season, not in a million years.
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Oh sure! Use FACTS to discount Skewed Beliefs!!
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I doubt Grayson would either. And McGowin was behind a 3rd string line
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