Pay Brees!

WillSaints81 · 08-13-2016, 04:19 PM

Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.

Danno · 08-13-2016, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.

But he hasn't reached that next level yet. He's still at that good but not great level.

spkb25 · 08-13-2016, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.

guess it will help not to be paying Junior still...there's about 25-30 million being spent on former players.

AsylumGuido · 08-13-2016, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

guess it will help not to be paying Junior still...there's about 25-30 million being spent on former players.

Not even close. After this season there is only $1.3 million in dead money remaining against the cap. Everything but $1.3M for Browner and $1,000 for Jack Tapp remains. That is no longer any excuse. The Saints are going to be a great cap shape moving forward. They could pay Brees $40M per year if they wanted and still be fine.

burningmetal · 08-14-2016, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not even close. After this season there is only $1.3 million in dead money remaining against the cap. Everything but $1.3M for Browner and $1,000 for Jack Tapp remains. That is no longer any excuse. The Saints are going to be a great cap shape moving forward. They could pay Brees $40M per year if they wanted and still be fine.

Really? 40 million, and still be fine? Taking that comment at face value is completely unrealistic, for one. But if it were true, then what now do you suppose is the holdup? I'm not even concerned about him leaving. I'm more curious to see how much meat will be left on the bone when his deal is done. But if they can pay him THAT much, without even having a problem, then what would be the reason to stall? Clearly it isn't that simple.

I'm almost convinced that he could actually leave and some would still insist they know what's going on, and deny that there is any actual issue with the negotiations.

AsylumGuido · 08-14-2016, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Really? 40 million, and still be fine? Taking that comment at face value is completely unrealistic, for one. But if it were true, then what now do you suppose is the holdup? I'm not even concerned about him leaving. I'm more curious to see how much meat will be left on the bone when his deal is done. But if they can pay him THAT much, without even having a problem, then what would be the reason to stall? Clearly it isn't that simple.

I'm almost convinced that he could actually leave and some would still insist they know what's going on, and deny that there is any actual issue with the negotiations.

In case you didn't know, Brees' agent is the same one that represents Peyton Manning. If I'm not mistaken, Condon did not broker an extension twice for Manning, but did re-sign following the final season of the contract. In fact, that is how most deals work. Extensions are the exception. Yes, it would make fans like us all warm and fuzzy, but isn't necessary. SFIAH has it nailed. The cap is no longer an issue and I can't understand why people get so hung up on what players get paid. in addition, you cannot compare what an NFL QB gets paid to what people in regular jobs get paid. How many assistant managers are the in the world working at McDonalds? How many second grade math teachers are there in the world? How many car salespeople are there in the world? There are only thirty-two NFL starting QB's in the world. The NFL mandates that a vast majority of the cap has to be spent. They are not overpaid ... at all.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-14-2016, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

In case you didn't know, Brees' agent is the same one that represents Peyton Manning. If I'm not mistaken, Condon did not broker an extension twice for Manning, but did re-sign following the final season of the contract. In fact, that is how most deals work. Extensions are the exception. Yes, it would make fans like us all warm and fuzzy, but isn't necessary. SFIAH has it nailed. The cap is no longer an issue and I can't understand why people get so hung up on what players get paid. in addition, you cannot compare what an NFL QB gets paid to what people in regular jobs get paid. How many assistant managers are the in the world working at McDonalds? How many second grade math teachers are there in the world? How many car salespeople are there in the world? There are only thirty-two NFL starting QB's in the world. The NFL mandates that a vast majority of the cap has to be spent. They are not overpaid ... at all.

To expand on point: there are 32 starting QBs and only about 12 of them are really good. That's why there is the continual drafting of top flight QB talent every year. And that's why most of the talent doesn't pan out.

Think that 18 years ago there was really a discussion of Peyton Manning vs. Ryan Leaf. Or the fact that Brees was drafted in the 2nd round in the same draft that Vick was drafted #1. Very few people can do this job well.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 08-13-2016, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.

And your point is?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-13-2016, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And your point is?

The point seems to be if that if the Saints pay Brees, then there will not be money available to pay Cooks. But it misses a few key points:

1. Cooks has a 5th year option. So he won't be a free agent until 2019.
2. It's likely that Brees' next contract will be 3 years. So there will be no overlap.
3. most importantly, as I stated in my other post, NFL revenue and therefore the salary cap is going to continue to skyrocket. According to this site:

http://salarycapcrunch.com/projectin...16-20-seasons/

By the 2019 season the salary cap will be pushing $180 million.

Bottom line is that the NFL is essentially a money tree as long as you don't have a long string of bad picks in free agency.

SFIAH

08-13-2016, 04:32 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon. But he hasn't reached that next level yet. He's still at that good but not great level.

08-13-2016, 06:07 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,119	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon. guess it will help not to be paying Junior still...there's about 25-30 million being spent on former players.

08-13-2016, 07:11 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,543	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by spkb25 guess it will help not to be paying Junior still...there's about 25-30 million being spent on former players. Not even close. After this season there is only $1.3 million in dead money remaining against the cap. Everything but $1.3M for Browner and $1,000 for Jack Tapp remains. That is no longer any excuse. The Saints are going to be a great cap shape moving forward. They could pay Brees $40M per year if they wanted and still be fine. SaintFanInATLHELL and spkb25 like this.

08-14-2016, 01:17 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not even close. After this season there is only $1.3 million in dead money remaining against the cap. Everything but $1.3M for Browner and $1,000 for Jack Tapp remains. That is no longer any excuse. The Saints are going to be a great cap shape moving forward. They could pay Brees $40M per year if they wanted and still be fine. Really? 40 million, and still be fine? Taking that comment at face value is completely unrealistic, for one. But if it were true, then what now do you suppose is the holdup? I'm not even concerned about him leaving. I'm more curious to see how much meat will be left on the bone when his deal is done. But if they can pay him THAT much, without even having a problem, then what would be the reason to stall? Clearly it isn't that simple. I'm almost convinced that he could actually leave and some would still insist they know what's going on, and deny that there is any actual issue with the negotiations.
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08-14-2016, 01:54 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,543	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by burningmetal Really? 40 million, and still be fine? Taking that comment at face value is completely unrealistic, for one. But if it were true, then what now do you suppose is the holdup? I'm not even concerned about him leaving. I'm more curious to see how much meat will be left on the bone when his deal is done. But if they can pay him THAT much, without even having a problem, then what would be the reason to stall? Clearly it isn't that simple. I'm almost convinced that he could actually leave and some would still insist they know what's going on, and deny that there is any actual issue with the negotiations. In case you didn't know, Brees' agent is the same one that represents Peyton Manning. If I'm not mistaken, Condon did not broker an extension twice for Manning, but did re-sign following the final season of the contract. In fact, that is how most deals work. Extensions are the exception. Yes, it would make fans like us all warm and fuzzy, but isn't necessary. SFIAH has it nailed. The cap is no longer an issue and I can't understand why people get so hung up on what players get paid. in addition, you cannot compare what an NFL QB gets paid to what people in regular jobs get paid. How many assistant managers are the in the world working at McDonalds? How many second grade math teachers are there in the world? How many car salespeople are there in the world? There are only thirty-two NFL starting QB's in the world. The NFL mandates that a vast majority of the cap has to be spent. They are not overpaid ... at all. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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08-13-2016, 04:19 PM	#1
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08-14-2016, 06:21 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido In case you didn't know, Brees' agent is the same one that represents Peyton Manning. If I'm not mistaken, Condon did not broker an extension twice for Manning, but did re-sign following the final season of the contract. In fact, that is how most deals work. Extensions are the exception. Yes, it would make fans like us all warm and fuzzy, but isn't necessary. SFIAH has it nailed. The cap is no longer an issue and I can't understand why people get so hung up on what players get paid. in addition, you cannot compare what an NFL QB gets paid to what people in regular jobs get paid. How many assistant managers are the in the world working at McDonalds? How many second grade math teachers are there in the world? How many car salespeople are there in the world? There are only thirty-two NFL starting QB's in the world. The NFL mandates that a vast majority of the cap has to be spent. They are not overpaid ... at all. To expand on point: there are 32 starting QBs and only about 12 of them are really good. That's why there is the continual drafting of top flight QB talent every year. And that's why most of the talent doesn't pan out. Think that 18 years ago there was really a discussion of Peyton Manning vs. Ryan Leaf. Or the fact that Brees was drafted in the 2nd round in the same draft that Vick was drafted #1. Very few people can do this job well. SFIAH spkb25 likes this.

08-13-2016, 07:05 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,543	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon. And your point is?

08-13-2016, 09:02 PM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And your point is? The point seems to be if that if the Saints pay Brees, then there will not be money available to pay Cooks. But it misses a few key points: 1. Cooks has a 5th year option. So he won't be a free agent until 2019. 2. It's likely that Brees' next contract will be 3 years. So there will be no overlap. 3. most importantly, as I stated in my other post, NFL revenue and therefore the salary cap is going to continue to skyrocket. According to this site: http://salarycapcrunch.com/projectin...16-20-seasons/ By the 2019 season the salary cap will be pushing $180 million. Bottom line is that the NFL is essentially a money tree as long as you don't have a long string of bad picks in free agency. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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