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jeanpierre 08-15-2017 06:49 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - PreSeason Week Two :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 2 - Ryan Nassib, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67),
34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn,
11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Xavier Rush (UDFA)
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes, 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen, 60 - Max Unger, 61 - Josh LeRibeus

RG (1) 67 - Larry Warford, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui,
80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips, 00 - Braedon Bowman
SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 88 - De'Quan Hampton (UDFA)


DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 73d - Jason Jones, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196)

DT (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 70 - Mitchell Loewen

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 93 - David Onyemata, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 68 - John Hughes

DE (3) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 55 - Darryl Tapp, 58 - Obum Gwacham

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 52 - Craig Robertson, 99 - Adam Bighill

MLB (2) 51 - Manti Te'o, 50 - Stephone Anthony, 59 - Jonathan Walton UDFA

SLB (3) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti

RCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 27 - Damian Swann, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 35 - Malik Foreman, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11)

SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 25 - Rafael Bush, 31 - Chris Banjo

FS (2) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 30 - Erik Harris

LCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 24 - Sterling Moore, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 40 - Delvin Breaux


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Justin Drescher


Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3
*Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players

PRACTICE SQUAD*

74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption)


RESERVE/INJURED*

LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe

WR 85 - Dan Arnold

OL 73 - Martin Wallace

DT 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI


RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS*

DT 90 - Nick Fairley


RESERVE/RETIRED*

OL 62 - Chris Watt


KEY:

PROJECTED STARTER

FREE AGENT

ROOKIE

INJURED

jeanpierre 08-15-2017 07:18 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Can't help but think that our ProScouting Department is letting us down with our reserve offensive linemen...

They can't find us one Big Ten offensive mauler?!?

Crusader 08-15-2017 07:22 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 759059)
I worry about quick speed DE against him.
Me too and I hope they gameplan for that, use a RB to chip, TE with a slam-release and so on. Just don't leave him out there on an island if he isn't ready.

Utah_Saint 08-15-2017 02:40 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 759046)
If Ramczyk performs well it will open up interesting possibilities going forward. I think this might be Striefs last year and then we'll need to have another RT. The question then would be if Armstead would be healthy enough to trade and if somebody would be willing to pay much for him given his injury history.
Or in the best of worlds, IMHO, Armstead comes back mid season and reclaims the LT spot and we have him and Ramczyk at LT and RT next year.
That's the catch-22. If he's healthy, we want him. If he's injured, nobody wants him.

Do we trade him away only to watch him play the next 10 years without missing a start or do we keep him, one of the best LT's in the league, only to have him ride the pine half of next season too?

Is he a C.J. Spiller or is he a Rob Ninkovich?

jeanpierre 08-16-2017 05:45 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Should Ramczyk prove he's more than capable and with the upcoming contracts, you gotta seriously think about moving Armstead next offseason to make cap room...

And a team like Chicago would be the perfect trade partner because you'll likely command a second round pick and it'll be one of the first five picks which should yield a more than capable Right Tackle...

Crusader 08-16-2017 05:49 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 759186)
Should Ramczyk prove he's more than capable and with the upcoming contracts, you gotta seriously think about moving Armstead next offseason to make cap room...

And a team like Chicago would be the perfect trade partner because you'll likely command a second round pick and it'll be one of the first five picks which should yield a more than capable Right Tackle...
Yeah, as much as I like Armstead that would make sense.

halloween 65 08-16-2017 06:11 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 759186)
Should Ramczyk prove he's more than capable and with the upcoming contracts, you gotta seriously think about moving Armstead next offseason to make cap room...

And a team like Chicago would be the perfect trade partner because you'll likely command a second round pick and it'll be one of the first five picks which should yield a more than capable Right Tackle...
My question to this would be the ages of Strief and Unger. If healthy do you trade a proven LT in Armstead and draft a player to play RT to eventually take Striefs spot for the next 10 years or draft a C to eventually take Ungers spot? We basically have 3 LT's with 1 proven to play LG. The rookie isn't proven yet at this level but looks good so far and Strief(as good as he has been) isn't a spring chicken anymore as much as I like him.

jeanpierre 08-16-2017 07:15 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 759190)
My question to this would be the ages of Strief and Unger. If healthy do you trade a proven LT in Armstead and draft a player to play RT to eventually take Striefs spot for the next 10 years or draft a C to eventually take Ungers spot? We basically have 3 LT's with 1 proven to play LG. The rookie isn't proven yet at this level but looks good so far and Strief(as good as he has been) isn't a spring chicken anymore as much as I like him.
Economics and priorities...

Some of the guys that will need to be extended in the next two years (2018, 2019) are Brees, Vaccaro, Breaux, Peat...

And are we going to have an offensive line of all Left Tackles, when we still seem to need cornerbacks, defensive line, linebackers, tight ends?

And do you wait till his trade stock will yield only a fourth round pick vs a second round pick?

Look, the last three drafts have had several quality offensive linemen, Big Ten Corn-Fed Milk-Farm boys right there at the end of the first and through the first half of the second round...

We'll get a younger, four-five year cap friendly linemen that can play right tackle which is a position that is a helluva lot easier to field than a left tackle...

Armstead, for all his tremendous athleticism, hasn't played a full 16 healthy yet...

spkb25 08-16-2017 08:04 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 759195)
Economics and priorities...

Some of the guys that will need to be extended in the next two years (2018, 2019) are Brees, Vaccaro, Breaux, Peat...

And are we going to have an offensive line of all Left Tackles, when we still seem to need cornerbacks, defensive line, linebackers, tight ends?

And do you wait till his trade stock will yield only a fourth round pick vs a second round pick?

Look, the last three drafts have had several quality offensive linemen, Big Ten Corn-Fed Milk-Farm boys right there at the end of the first and through the first half of the second round...

We'll get a younger, four-five year cap friendly linemen that can play right tackle which is a position that is a helluva lot easier to field than a left tackle...

Armstead, for all his tremendous athleticism, hasn't played a full 16 healthy yet...
No he hasn't and tell you what though that dude's contract makes him impossible to move. I am not sure when he becomes movable but i feel we are with our man, ride or die, for a few more years. Unless we can have him come back and play well then set up a trade. Just think with his recent injuries we are going to have him for a while.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 08:12 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Regarding trading Armstead next offseason...

PRE-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $10,600,000
2018 Cap Savings: $2,900,000

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2019 Dead Cap: $7,400,000
2018 Cap Savings: $10,300,000

It looks like it's possible if we wait for OTA/training camp injuries to pile up around the league. Though, by that time Armstead himself could be injured again.

spkb25 08-16-2017 08:15 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 759200)
Regarding trading Armstead next offseason...

PRE-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $10,600,000
2018 Cap Savings: $2,900,000

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2019 Dead Cap: $7,400,000
2018 Cap Savings: $10,300,000

It looks like it's possible if we wait for OTA/training camp injuries to pile up around the league. Though, by that time Armstead himself could be injured again.
So as early as next offseason. Thanks bro

AsylumGuido 08-16-2017 08:20 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 759197)
No he hasn't and tell you what though that dude's contract makes him impossible to move. I am not sure when he becomes movable but i feel we are with our man, ride or die, for a few more years. Unless we can have him come back and play well then set up a trade. Just think with his recent injuries we are going to have him for a while.
This latest injury is far less worrisome than the knee problems he has had in the past. It had nothing to do with supportive tissues such as tendons, ligaments or muscle. The labrum is nothing more than padding. Who knows, with the extra time off maybe he can come back stronger than ever.

Crusader 08-16-2017 09:07 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 759203)
This latest injury is far less worrisome than the knee problems he has had in the past. It had nothing to do with supportive tissues such as tendons, ligaments or muscle. The labrum is nothing more than padding. Who knows, with the extra time off maybe he can come back stronger than ever.
Yeah might actually give his legs the proper time to fully heal.

That sounded like an awful lot of dead cap if we were to trade him thou.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 09:11 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Who knows what kind of mismanagement these now fired orthopedists have done with Armstead's injury.

K Major 08-16-2017 09:20 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 759214)
Who knows what kind of mismanagement these now fired orthopedists have done with Armstead's injury.
Makes you wonder about Byrd, K Lewis and others.

halloween 65 08-16-2017 09:40 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 759195)
Economics and priorities...

Some of the guys that will need to be extended in the next two years (2018, 2019) are Brees, Vaccaro, Breaux, Peat...

And are we going to have an offensive line of all Left Tackles, when we still seem to need cornerbacks, defensive line, linebackers, tight ends?

And do you wait till his trade stock will yield only a fourth round pick vs a second round pick?

Look, the last three drafts have had several quality offensive linemen, Big Ten Corn-Fed Milk-Farm boys right there at the end of the first and through the first half of the second round...

We'll get a younger, four-five year cap friendly linemen that can play right tackle which is a position that is a helluva lot easier to field than a left tackle...

Armstead, for all his tremendous athleticism, hasn't played a full 16 healthy yet...
With Breaux and his injury history I'm not so sure he gets another contract here and I hope like hell they let Vaccarro go after this season. I don't think with the current starters with Armstead at LT we are going to drop off this season but grooming potential players to step in and play (backups) when the aging vets just don't have it anymore would be better in the long run. We don't have nearly the depth at RT and C right now and having to go after a high dollar FA isn't a good move in my opionion. The higher draft picks should be spent on the D side of the ball and a late 1st early 2nd should go toward a TE or WR that don't have stone hands.

jeanpierre 08-16-2017 01:34 PM
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jeanpierre 08-16-2017 01:36 PM
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jeanpierre 08-16-2017 01:38 PM
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jeanpierre 08-16-2017 01:40 PM
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jeanpierre 08-16-2017 01:42 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - PreSeason Week Two, Return of Lattimore, Breaux is Broke :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 2 - Ryan Nassib, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67),
34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn,
11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Xavier Rush (UDFA)
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes, 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen, 60 - Max Unger, 61 - Josh LeRibeus

RG (1) 67 - Larry Warford, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui,
80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips, 00 - Braedon Bowman
SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 88 - De'Quan Hampton (UDFA)


DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 73d - Jason Jones, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196)

DT (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 70 - Mitchell Loewen

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 93 - David Onyemata, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 68 - John Hughes

DE (3) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 55 - Darryl Tapp, 58 - Obum Gwacham

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 52 - Craig Robertson, 99 - Adam Bighill

MLB (2) 51 - Manti Te'o, 50 - Stephone Anthony, 59 - Jonathan Walton UDFA

SLB (3) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 20 - Ken Crawley, 27 - Damian Swann, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 35 - Malik Foreman

SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 25 - Rafael Bush, 31 - Chris Banjo

FS (2) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 30 - Erik Harris

LCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 24 - Sterling Moore, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 40 - Delvin Breaux


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Justin Drescher


Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3
*Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players

PRACTICE SQUAD*

74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption)


RESERVE/INJURED*

LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe

WR 85 - Dan Arnold

OL 73 - Martin Wallace

DT 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI


RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS*

DT 90 - Nick Fairley


RESERVE/RETIRED*

OL 62 - Chris Watt


KEY:

PROJECTED STARTER

FREE AGENT

ROOKIE

INJURED

K Major 08-16-2017 01:48 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Great news on Lattimore. I'm really looking forward to see him in pre season game #2.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 03:10 PM
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If everything goes smoothly then it looks like Breaux could make his return after our week 5 bye.

AsylumGuido 08-17-2017 10:36 AM
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jeanpierre 08-17-2017 06:15 PM
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jeanpierre 08-17-2017 06:41 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - PreSeason Week Two, Practice with LA Chargers :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 2 - Ryan Nassib, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67),
34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn,
11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Xavier Rush (UDFA)
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes, 72 - Terron Armstead (PUP)

LG (1) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

C (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 60 - Max Unger

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 78 - Landon Turner, 66 - Jack Allen

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui,
80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips, 00 - Braedon Bowman
SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 88 - De'Quan Hampton (UDFA)


DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 73d - Jason Jones

DT (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 70 - Mitchell Loewen, 68 - John Hughes

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 93 - David Onyemata, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (3) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 55 - Darryl Tapp, 58 - Obum Gwacham

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 52 - Craig Robertson, 59 - Jonathan Walton UDFA

MLB (2) 51 - Manti Te'o, 50 - Stephone Anthony, 99 - Adam Bighill

SLB (3) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti

RCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 27 - Damian Swann, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 35 - Malik Foreman

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 25 - Rafael Bush, 31 - Chris Banjo

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 30 - Erik Harris

LCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 24 - Sterling Moore, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 40 - Delvin Breaux


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Justin Drescher


Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3
*Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players

PRACTICE SQUAD*

74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption)


RESERVE/INJURED*

LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe

WR 85 - Dan Arnold

OL 73 - Martin Wallace

DT 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI


RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS*

DT 90 - Nick Fairley


RESERVE/RETIRED*

OL 62 - Chris Watt


KEY:

PROJECTED STARTER

FREE AGENT

ROOKIE

INJURED

AsylumGuido 08-17-2017 07:36 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Wow! Unger back by week three pre-season? I guess Payton wasn't lying, huh?

:D

jeanpierre 08-18-2017 03:14 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 759482)
Wow! Unger back by week three pre-season? I guess Payton wasn't lying, huh?

:D
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rezburna 08-18-2017 07:42 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
I think we should consider seeing what we could flip Terron Armstead for. We have three LT's on this team already. We need to add aother playmaker on defense.

ChrisXVI 08-18-2017 07:50 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 759530)
I think we should consider seeing what we could flip Terron Armstead for. We have three LT's on this team already. We need to add aother playmaker on defense.
I don't think we can trade him this year... It would result in $3.2 million in dead cap this year and $10.6 million in dead cap in 2018. Our best bet is to wait until after June 1st next year when OTA/training camp injuries start piling up around the league and the numbers would look like this:

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2019 Dead Cap: $7,400,000
2018 Cap Savings: $10,300,000

rezburna 08-18-2017 08:17 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 759531)
I don't think we can trade him this year... It would result in $3.2 million in dead cap this year and $10.6 million in dead cap in 2018. Our best bet is to wait until after June 1st next year when OTA/training camp injuries start piling up around the league and the numbers would look like this:

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2019 Dead Cap: $7,400,000
2018 Cap Savings: $10,300,000
Aww man...noted.

ChrisXVI 08-18-2017 08:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 759534)
Aww man...noted.
It is an interesting problem to have isn't it? We have too many good LT's. It looks like Peat is firmly entrenched at LG now though. Zach Strief is ready to retire and had to get a little pay raise to stay because the team knows Armstead's health would be an issue and Ramczyk would be needed at LT. Maybe with the orthopedists being fired Armstead's 4 year long battle with the knee injury will finally be fixed and Ramczyk can settle in at RT next year as planned.

jeanpierre 08-18-2017 08:34 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 759531)
I don't think we can trade him this year... It would result in $3.2 million in dead cap this year and $10.6 million in dead cap in 2018. Our best bet is to wait until after June 1st next year when OTA/training camp injuries start piling up around the league and the numbers would look like this:

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2019 Dead Cap: $7,400,000
2018 Cap Savings: $10,300,000
You could always restructure the contract (sign & trade) where he'd get a little more guaranteed money and the trade partner would agree to those numbers...

I don't think we trade him this year when you factor he'll likely be back for the second half of the season; Zach Strief is getting older and really struggled against Bosa, if this is the year the ole' vet finally does tail off, I'd like to have Armstead coming back to provide fresh legs for a playoff push...

Also, Ramczyk will be a rookie that will eventually hit the rookie wall somewhere around Weeks 11-13, so there's that consideration...

But I think you really have to make an effort at moving one of the three left tackles - Armstead, Peat, Ramczyk - next offseason...

smitty46953 08-18-2017 09:09 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
How is Manti Teo doing? You guys figure him to start? Old Notre Dame fan here ...

K Major 08-18-2017 09:14 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 759547)
How is Manti Teo doing? You guys figure him to start? Old Notre Dame fan here ...
Welcome Smitty :bng:.

In the limited snaps he played vs the Browns last week ... looks like a keeper. I hope Teo gets extended playing time vs SD on Sunday night.

Fingers crossed he stays healthy and balls out from here on out.

hagan714 08-18-2017 09:14 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 759531)
I don't think we can trade him this year... It would result in $3.2 million in dead cap this year and $10.6 million in dead cap in 2018. Our best bet is to wait until after June 1st next year when OTA/training camp injuries start piling up around the league and the numbers would look like this:

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2019 Dead Cap: $7,400,000
2018 Cap Savings: $10,300,000
I look at this and think draft and develop an OT in 2018. Can not be any worse than the dead wood vets we have now. Right now I am watching

Ike Boettger OG/OT/TE Iowa 6046 307 5.02 #75 rSr
Totally an upside pick. He came to Iowa as a TE and just grew out of the position. He has shown the athletic ability was not lost with the bulking up. He will have experience as starting swing OT on both sides. last year he showed well as a RT. This year he bounces to LT. Pass blocking is solid enough to invest a pick and start coaching the kid. I think he can also serve as a solid OG prospect. His run blocking was his strong suite. A back up swing OT and possible swing OG with one roster spot is huge. Never know he maybe able to hold down RT with some coaching.

Still keeping an eye on starting center experience and starting experience as a swing OG skills set also

Frank Ragnow C/OG,Arkansas 6052 319 5.14 #72 Sr

Do not panic at OT unless we go through the annual IR yet again in 2018. If so 2019 might be year to chase an LOT in the draft early. Maybe not if some one surprise us all and steps in the roll. Ramczyk?

Now when 2020 rolls around we should be able to deal with the contract and feel like we are hostage.

jeanpierre 08-18-2017 10:04 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Would love to take Boettger as a Right Tackle or Left Guard in next year's draft...

jeanpierre 08-20-2017 06:43 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Crunching The Numbers

DEFENSIVE LINE

DE (3) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 73d - Jason Jones

DT (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 70 - Mitchell Loewen

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 68 - John Hughes

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 55 - Darryl Tapp, 58 - Obum Gwacham
  • Cam Jordan is the leader of the defense...
  • Hendrickson a third round pick was starting to get first team reps when he missed the Cleveland game, if he gets back on track, he's in...
  • Al has really started a surge with his Cleveland performance, if he continues progression, and those impressive speed moves, he's in...
  • Jason Jones would have been a nice signing , but this late to the party, he's not making the team...
  • Rankins is in based on what he flashed in his limited season and first round pick status, he's in, but unit improvement rests mostly on him...
  • Onyemata has two picks invested, has impressive athleticism with size and has shown he can play DT, DE and now NT, he's in...
  • Zimmer, or Pitbull as he's know to teammates, is most athletic, strongest of this group, he's not been consistent against first team comp, on the Bubble...
  • Loewen has really jumped with versatility that Onyemata has, could have really used him last year; he's the wedge buster on coverage units, Bubble...
  • Despite bravely playing through injury nearly all of season, Davison is still our best NT and is one draft pick the team can be proud, he's in...
  • McDaniel has tremendous size and great experience, but he's limited to just NT and will likely be a luxury of depth at NT behind Davison who won't play on third downs, he's out...
  • Mabry is still a great story and has progressed well, if he's not snatched up, he'll be in a great position next year with contracts coming due, Practice Squad...
  • Hughes, like Jones and McDaniel were late signings that has had some success as reserves in the league, suspect he was brought in as measuring stick against our younger players, he's out...
  • Okafor looks to be our starter opposite Jordan and is only be asked to be part of a solution opposite Cam, he's in...
  • Will modern medical marvels never cease? and twenty-plus extra pounds? Kikaha has tremendous heart, should really be lighter in a 3-4 OLB front, he's in...
  • Darryl Tapp has been a good veteran leader in camp, but being asked to play DT seems like team is trying to find him a spot he can't physical do, he's out...
  • Gwachum to his credit has trusted coaches and done nearly everything to learn a position late in his progression and with injuries, he'll catch on, just not here....


I see maybe one more spot to fill and it coming down to Zimmer or Loewen, and that is going to be one tough call, Zimmer may get the nod with his physical talent and lack of injuries...

This team hasn't been in this position at defensive line during the Payton era - some good players that would have easily made this team in the past ten years are getting cut...

jeanpierre 08-20-2017 02:31 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Crunching The Numbers

OFFENSIVE LINE

LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes, 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen, 60 - Max Unger, 61 - Josh LeRibeus

RG (1) 67 - Larry Warford, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe
  • Terron Armstead will receive the injury designation that allows him to return later this season, so he's Injured Reserve to Return
  • Ryan Ramczyk has recovered on schedule and quickly won the LT spot; he'll have his growing pains, but he's now the guy, In
  • Barnes came back in better shape and showed he's still got some in the tank, he's keeping Armstead's seat warm till return, In, for now
  • Peat still looks a little uncomfortable at times at LG, but reality has settled in and he's absolutely smashing pancakes as he's overqualified for the position, In
  • Fullington is the only swing G/T on the roster that's shown some decent tape to this point, he may also be a seatwarmer till Armstead returns, In, for now
  • This was the year Landon Turner was to take the big leap forward, looks like the scouts had him pegged and rightfully went undrafted, Out
  • Unger is on schedule to be back by the third pre-season game, whether he's ready to play the whole game Week 1, is little consequence as he'll be on the active roster, IN
  • Kelemete is our only quality reserve lineman, specializing in the interior, who can spot start with little to no drop off in unit production, In
  • Cameron Tom has shown the most improvement and highest ceiling of the reserve Centers, he'll need to bulk and learn to play G as well, Practice Squad
  • LeRibeus is a Redskins castoff who's caught a case of the yips on the long snaps, can't have it, OUT
  • Allen is an undersized candidate with leadership who's got to be near perfect, also caught the yips on the long snaps, OUT
  • Warford was the next best thing after Loomis failed to secure the league's best RG, Zeitler, IN
  • Sokoli should have applied to the league for a European exemption, former D-lineman that most project as an Offensive Lineman, Practice Squad
  • Strief, Old Reliable, Underrated, Team Leader, Let's hope the ole boy can hold together for another season, or till Armstead gets back, IN
  • Harris is really a mystery too me, the more he plays the worse he seems to get, he showed so much promise a few seasons ago, OUT
  • Ugokwe is another swing G/T brought in to compete, but he seems to be too slow grasping the Saints terminology, OUT


The Saints under Payton have traditionally kept eight (8) offensive linemen, with early injuries and expected progression of some of last year's crop, I thought we might keep more, but with the multiple sub-packages and now deeper talent at DL and LB, I suspect we'll stay right at eight...

Seems the Saints envisioned an impressive offensive line that could compete with the best by season's end, with all healthy of:

Starters: Armstead-Peat-Unger-Warford-Strief

Reserves: Ramczyk, Kelemete, and some other kid...

With Armstead likely designated to return mid-season that leaves two spots to be earned and quite frankly, none of the reserves have earned their Fleur-de-lis yet; Fullington and Barnes are better of what's left - hardly a ringing endorsement...

jeanpierre 08-20-2017 02:32 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Somebody is taking the lead on the last roster spot for offensive lineman; if they all play badly again tonight, I suspect a RB gets traded for a reserve offensive lineman to send a message and improve the unit...


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