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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Kelemete Back! :bng:
OFFENSE QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA) RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris CadetWR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn, 11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Rashad LawrenceLT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Martin Wallace TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips *NFI SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA), 81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti MLB (3) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o, 99 - Adam Bighill WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 00 - Jonathan Walton UDFA RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 24 - Sterling Moore, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11) SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 31 - Chris Banjo, 30 - Erik Harris FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie LCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 34 - Dejaun Butler (UDFA), 40 - Delvin Breaux KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA) RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM OC 60 - Max Unger LT 72 - Terron Armstead Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 44; Defense: 41; Kicking: 5 *Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players PRACTICE SQUAD* 74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption) RESERVE/INJURED* LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe WR 85 - Dan Arnold RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS* DT 90 - Nick Fairley RESERVE/RETIRED* OL 62 - Chris Watt KEY: PROJECTED STARTER FREE AGENT ROOKIE INJURED |
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Cool-aid Warning - We may have the best RB unit ever assembled outside of Madden Football...
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I still have Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr As my #1 "on the radar player" for the saints 2018 draft. Can Derrius be an effective weapon out of the backfield is the only thing left to prove. He is probably the #1 pass blocking RB already. Pass blocking is the second most important thing a RB can do. In the saints offense it is a 1B ranking. Kamara ability to pick up the blitz and pass block was my number 1 issue with his game. but he is willing. Derrius is clearly a top 5 as a RB. In terms of potential, Guice may have the highest ceiling of any back in the entire class If the Adrian Peterson experiment does not work out Guice is a solid move in the draft. yet it Peterson works out .... Ingram, Peterson, Guice and Kamara would be something to get giddy over in the 2018 post season. Ingram can walk at the age of 29 as a FA and not hold us hostage to another $6+ million a year in 2019. Derrius should be ready top step in and take over. Depth and cap figured in I have trouble seeing a down side to a pick like this. Now all Guice has to do is live up to the hype in 2018 In reality it will turn out to yet another year we pass up a smart safe pick for something else just like with O.J. Howard in 2017. |
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In 2018 Vea should be our 1st pick in the draft when we pick to solidify the D front line for years to come. Our O can survive but our D needs all the help it can get and Vea is a stud.
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Fresh Meat? :bng:
OFFENSE QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA) RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris CadetWR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn, 11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Rashad LawrenceLT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips *NFI SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA), 81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti MLB (3) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o, 99 - Adam Bighill WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 59 - Jonathan Walton UDFA RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 24 - Sterling Moore, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11) SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 31 - Chris Banjo, 30 - Erik Harris FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie LCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 34 - Dejaun Butler (UDFA), 40 - Delvin Breaux KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA) RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM OC 60 - Max Unger LT 72 - Terron Armstead Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 45; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4 *Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players PRACTICE SQUAD* 74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption) RESERVE/INJURED* LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe WR 85 - Dan Arnold RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS* DT 90 - Nick Fairley RESERVE/RETIRED* OL 62 - Chris Watt KEY: PROJECTED STARTER FREE AGENT ROOKIE INJURED |
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Man, what's with signing these short lifers with injuries?!? WTH is doing the physicals?!? A one-eyed, peg-legged crack head could pass a physical with the Saints right now...
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Safest pick in the draft to date? IMO offense - Mike McGlinchey OT Notre Dame 6072 213 5.27 #68 rSr defense - Bradley Chubb DE N.C. State 6031 273 4.86 #9 Sr My Top Hype Watch offense Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr If he pans out on the hype is a perfect fit for the offense. Adds a few more years to Drews playing time. Watch him pass blocking and picking up blitzes. the offering of cap flexibility is a drum i am really tired of beating. defense Vita Vea DT Washington 6041 332 5.19 #50 rJr If he lives up to the hype this year players like this do not come around every year. He is in the running for my FREAK stamp of approval Malik Jefferson SLB/MLB/WLB Texas* 6015 238 4.57 #46 Jr Nothing so far does not scream FREAK to me here. he has to be dumber than a door nail not be on a short list. I still have not heard an argument of Lattimore over OJ Howard that changes my mind. Howard is the freak pick we will regret not making a first round pick. Especially when we have to pay Coby Fleener $8mill in 2018 and $9mill in 2019 because we have no one better to replace him with. cap drum again But Latt is a saint so he has 4 years to prove that tendon can hold up. My BPA approach history. Some crow and some i told you so 4 years and watching 2016 -LT/RG Laremy Tunsil Ole Miss 2015 - WR DeVante Parker Louiville (so far the biggest crow sandwich) 2014 - SS Deone Bucannon Washington St 2013 - LB Alec Ogletree Georgia Answered already. 2012 - LB Nick Perry USC 2011 - DE Cameron Jordan California 2010 - CB Patrick Robinson FSU 2009 - LB Brian Cushing USC 2008 - LB Keith Rivers USC 2007 - G Ben Grubbs Auburn 2006 - OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia |
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I still have not heard an argument of Lattimore over OJ Howard that changes my mind. That's a discussion that we'll maybe have to have at the end of the season Hagan. I thought position wise a DB was a better pick for us. Haven't really drunk the koolaid on Latt, but as far as the pick for a position.... RBs and WRs can pick up the slack for a low to average TE. Nobody can really do that for a low to average to injured CB. Just hopefully we didn't pick an injured CB! |
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Does Ryan Nassib have a chance.
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We've still got a whole helluva lot of Training Camp and Pre-Season, but I'd say the early numbers are going like thus...
Quarterback - 2 Fullback - 1 RunningBack - 5 WR/SR - 6 TE - 2 OT - 3 OG - 3 OC - 2 DE - 5 DT - 4 LB - 6 S - 5 CB - 6 See some first week shuffling again, by starting with only two TE... We'll keep six CB, a premium position for us and the league... Armstead and or Unger may get injury designations that will open up a roster spot for a third TE that will be claimed off waivers; not sure Phillips can recover all this lost time after that appendectomy; he's a keeper, but not a luxury we can afford... |
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KEY QUESTIONS - OFFENSIVE LINE
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe Ultimately you have to earn a job, but here are some scenarios I see playing out... Unger may not play Week 1 or even 3, but for him to be that close would mean another DE, RB or CB...How important will it be for Unger and Kelemete to be ready at the beginning of the season?!? Assuming Ramczyk just does a great job at LT, do we keep Bryce Harris with an aged Zach Strief?!? And does Terron Armstead get moved in the offseason??? Peat and Warford look to have tremendous size, mass at their respective positions and seem to be part of a plan to run the ball a little more; after Kelemete, who will probably already be playing C for a couple of weeks, who backs these guys up??? Out of Fullington, Turner, and LeRibeus, who is making this roster??? |
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I ask myself a few simple Questions in Round 1 (If the player lives up to their billing) Does the player have a skill set you see only once in a long while? Is the player a safe pick just looking at injury history? Will the player give us cap flexibility in the next few years? Does that player fill a need? I answered yes to 4 for OJ I answered yes to 2 for Lattimore. Level of need at CB is higher but the rare type of player wins out despite a lower level of need. With the desperate shuffle of the OL now a TE with solid blocking skills would be a welcomed addition. Heine site I know but a factor that I thought was a bigger need than most before the draft http://blackandgold.com/blogs/hagan7...huge-need.html Any was, Draft needs would change and be weighted heavier to the Secondary from round 2 on. Round 3 is the round I would have rolled the dice a CB with an injury history CB Fabian Moreau instead with the second pick in the third. Then add another later like CB/RB/KR/PR Brandon Wilson in the 6th I like our 2nd round pick FS Marcus Williams but I would have added another in FS/SS Kai Nacua in the 7th or make my top priority UFA since we traded the pick. So thats 3 DB drafted and one we are chasing to fill a need that given the talent coming of IR was not IMO as high of a need as most. But still one of the top areas of need. FS and CB would have weighted equally after rounds 2 and 3 IMO as an area of need. If BPA in the first over rides an bigger area of need then that area of need will get banged at least twice in the draft if possible. That is how I roll at draft time But opinions are like A-holes we all have them |
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[SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Sweltering Heat! :bng:
OFFENSE QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA) RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris CadetWR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn, 11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Rashad LawrenceLT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips *NFI SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA), 81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti MLB (3) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o, 99 - Adam Bighill WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 59 - Jonathan Walton UDFA RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 24 - Sterling Moore, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11) SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 31 - Chris Banjo, 30 - Erik Harris FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie LCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 34 - Dejaun Butler (UDFA), 40 - Delvin Breaux KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA) RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM OC 60 - Max Unger LT 72 - Terron Armstead Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 45; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4 *Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players PRACTICE SQUAD* 74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption) RESERVE/INJURED* LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe WR 85 - Dan Arnold RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS* DT 90 - Nick Fairley RESERVE/RETIRED* OL 62 - Chris Watt KEY: PROJECTED STARTER FREE AGENT ROOKIE INJURED |
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Still Early Projection :bng:
OFFENSE QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 18 - Garrett Grayson FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn RB (6) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington C (2) OC 60 - Max Unger, 65 - Senio Kelemete RG (1) 67 - Larry Warford RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief TE (2) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103) DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison DE (3) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196) SLB (3) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti MLB (2) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76) RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 24 - Sterling Moore SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush LCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - De’Vante Harris KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM LT 72 - Terron Armstead Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 45; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4 *Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players PRACTICE SQUAD* 74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption) KEY: PROJECTED STARTER FREE AGENT ROOKIE INJURED |
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This is about the only Transaction Wire that has stayed current...
New Orleans Saints Transactions at NFL.com Whoever runs, oversees the Saints' webpage should be ashamed... |
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