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jeanpierre 08-02-2017 12:35 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Kelemete Back! :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67),
34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn,
11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Rashad Lawrence
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Martin Wallace

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips *NFI

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA),
81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI

NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti

MLB (3) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o, 99 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 00 - Jonathan Walton UDFA

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 24 - Sterling Moore, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11)

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 31 - Chris Banjo, 30 - Erik Harris

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie

LCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 34 - Dejaun Butler (UDFA), 40 - Delvin Breaux


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA)


RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

OC 60 - Max Unger

LT 72 - Terron Armstead


Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 44; Defense: 41; Kicking: 5
*Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players

PRACTICE SQUAD*

74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption)


RESERVE/INJURED*

LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe

WR 85 - Dan Arnold


RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS*

DT 90 - Nick Fairley


RESERVE/RETIRED*

OL 62 - Chris Watt


KEY:

PROJECTED STARTER

FREE AGENT

ROOKIE

INJURED

jeanpierre 08-02-2017 12:37 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Cool-aid Warning - We may have the best RB unit ever assembled outside of Madden Football...

hagan714 08-02-2017 04:45 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757074)
Cool-aid Warning - We may have the best RB unit ever assembled outside of Madden Football...

I am not standing in that kool aid stand line just yet

I still have

Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr

As my #1 "on the radar player" for the saints 2018 draft.

Can Derrius be an effective weapon out of the backfield is the only thing left to prove. He is probably the #1 pass blocking RB already. Pass blocking is the second most important thing a RB can do. In the saints offense it is a 1B ranking. Kamara ability to pick up the blitz and pass block was my number 1 issue with his game. but he is willing.

Derrius is clearly a top 5 as a RB. In terms of potential, Guice may have the highest ceiling of any back in the entire class

If the Adrian Peterson experiment does not work out Guice is a solid move in the draft.

yet it Peterson works out ....

Ingram, Peterson, Guice and Kamara would be something to get giddy over in the 2018 post season.

Ingram can walk at the age of 29 as a FA and not hold us hostage to another $6+ million a year in 2019. Derrius should be ready top step in and take over.

Depth and cap figured in I have trouble seeing a down side to a pick like this.

Now all Guice has to do is live up to the hype in 2018

In reality it will turn out to yet another year we pass up a smart safe pick for something else just like with O.J. Howard in 2017.

jeanpierre 08-02-2017 09:16 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 757119)
I am not standing in that kool aid stand line just yet...I still have Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr as my #1 "on the radar player" for the saints 2018 draft.

RB? No way. Look for guys like QB Josh Allen, DE Sam Hubbard, OL Mitch Hyatt, OL Quenton Nelson, QB Jake Browning, maybe NT Vita Vea (but Onyemata/Davison looks promising)...yeah, that's the ticket...

halloween 65 08-03-2017 06:18 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
In 2018 Vea should be our 1st pick in the draft when we pick to solidify the D front line for years to come. Our O can survive but our D needs all the help it can get and Vea is a stud.

jeanpierre 08-03-2017 08:42 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 757163)
In 2018 Vea should be our 1st pick in the draft when we pick to solidify the D front line for years to come. Our O can survive but our D needs all the help it can get and Vea is a stud.

Agree that he's be a serious asset, but with Onyemata/Davison and Rankins/Zimmer, where's he gonna play?!?

jeanpierre 08-03-2017 08:42 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

halloween 65 08-03-2017 01:22 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757169)
Agree that he's be a serious asset, but with Onyemata/Davison and Rankins/Zimmer, where's he gonna play?!?

NT. You don't pass on a guy like that and Zimmer is no Vea or he would be the rave of discussion already.

ChrisXVI 08-03-2017 05:25 PM

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jeanpierre 08-03-2017 07:16 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 757216)
NT. You don't pass on a guy like that and Zimmer is no Vea or he would be the rave of discussion already.

Well Zimmer is playing 3-tech and Vea is obviously a NT, so Zimmer would be no Vea...

jeanpierre 08-03-2017 09:51 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Fresh Meat? :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67),
34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn,
11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Rashad Lawrence
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips *NFI

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA),
81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI

NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti

MLB (3) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o, 99 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 59 - Jonathan Walton UDFA

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 24 - Sterling Moore, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11)

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 31 - Chris Banjo, 30 - Erik Harris

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie

LCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 34 - Dejaun Butler (UDFA), 40 - Delvin Breaux


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA)


RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

OC 60 - Max Unger

LT 72 - Terron Armstead


Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 45; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4
*Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players

PRACTICE SQUAD*

74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption)


RESERVE/INJURED*

LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe

WR 85 - Dan Arnold


RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS*

DT 90 - Nick Fairley


RESERVE/RETIRED*

OL 62 - Chris Watt


KEY:

PROJECTED STARTER

FREE AGENT

ROOKIE

INJURED

jeanpierre 08-03-2017 09:54 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Man, what's with signing these short lifers with injuries?!? WTH is doing the physicals?!? A one-eyed, peg-legged crack head could pass a physical with the Saints right now...


Seer1 08-03-2017 10:26 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757279)
Man, what's with signing these short lifers with injuries?!? WTH is doing the physicals?!? A one-eyed, peg-legged crack head could pass a physical with the Saints right now...

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...26788188508161

Is there some kind of advantage to a release with an injury designation? Does it give the player a little travel money that doesn't count against the cap, or give the team some kind of extra bonus in signing other players?

hagan714 08-03-2017 10:37 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757156)
RB? No way. Look for guys like QB Josh Allen, DE Sam Hubbard, OL Mitch Hyatt, OL Quenton Nelson, QB Jake Browning, maybe NT Vita Vea (but Onyemata/Davison looks promising)...yeah, that's the ticket...

We have a different view on first round picks as we both know. BPA wins out over needs in round 1 in my perfect world no matter how bad you are hurting at a position. rather spend two picks later on to fill that position of need:)

Safest pick in the draft to date? IMO
offense - Mike McGlinchey OT Notre Dame 6072 213 5.27 #68 rSr
defense - Bradley Chubb DE N.C. State 6031 273 4.86 #9 Sr

My Top Hype Watch

offense

Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr

If he pans out on the hype is a perfect fit for the offense. Adds a few more years to Drews playing time. Watch him pass blocking and picking up blitzes. the offering of cap flexibility is a drum i am really tired of beating.

defense

Vita Vea DT Washington 6041 332 5.19 #50 rJr

If he lives up to the hype this year players like this do not come around every year. He is in the running for my FREAK stamp of approval

Malik Jefferson SLB/MLB/WLB Texas* 6015 238 4.57 #46 Jr

Nothing so far does not scream FREAK to me here. he has to be dumber than a door nail not be on a short list.

I still have not heard an argument of Lattimore over OJ Howard that changes my mind. Howard is the freak pick we will regret not making a first round pick. Especially when we have to pay Coby Fleener $8mill in 2018 and $9mill in 2019 because we have no one better to replace him with. cap drum again

But Latt is a saint so he has 4 years to prove that tendon can hold up.

My BPA approach history. Some crow and some i told you so

4 years and watching
2016 -LT/RG Laremy Tunsil Ole Miss
2015 - WR DeVante Parker Louiville (so far the biggest crow sandwich)
2014 - SS Deone Bucannon Washington St
2013 - LB Alec Ogletree Georgia

Answered already.
2012 - LB Nick Perry USC
2011 - DE Cameron Jordan California
2010 - CB Patrick Robinson FSU
2009 - LB Brian Cushing USC
2008 - LB Keith Rivers USC
2007 - G Ben Grubbs Auburn
2006 - OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia

AsylumGuido 08-04-2017 07:21 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 757285)
Is there some kind of advantage to a release with an injury designation? Does it give the player a little travel money that doesn't count against the cap, or give the team some kind of extra bonus in signing other players?

If a player is waived with injury designation they can be placed upon the releasing team's IR if the player clears waivers (none of the other 31 teams claims the player.)

It looks like the Saints want to keep him for next year. He could have either had an injury coming in and they hoped it would heal or he sustained one in camp.

Seer1 08-04-2017 09:44 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 757295)
If a player is waived with injury designation they can be placed upon the releasing team's IR if the player clears waivers (none of the other 31 teams claims the player.)

It looks like the Saints want to keep him for next year. He could have either had an injury coming in and they hoped it would heal or he sustained one in camp.

Or simply redshirt him?

AsylumGuido 08-04-2017 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 757309)
Or simply redshirt him?

In a way. They came up with that status to keep a team from stashing players that are not truly injured on the IR. If a player is vested (has played a certain number of games) you CAN place them directly on IR. You can't do the same with non-vested players. Thus the "waived with injury designation" used. Now any other team, if they truly think the player isn't injured can claim him. But then THEY can't place him on IR until they also do the "waived with injury designation" move.

Seer1 08-04-2017 01:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 757314)
In a way. They came up with that status to keep a team from stashing players that are not truly injured on the IR. If a player is vested (has played a certain number of games) you CAN place them directly on IR. You can't do the same with non-vested players. Thus the "waived with injury designation" used. Now any other team, if they truly think the player isn't injured can claim him. But then THEY can't place him on IR until they also to the "waived with injury designation" move.

Makes sense. Thanks!

AsylumGuido 08-04-2017 02:21 PM

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K Major 08-04-2017 02:30 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 757287)
Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr

Guice will end up in Cleveland :rolleyes:. But it's good to see another young cat with high expectations come out of my high school (Catholic High). We've had a nice run with RB's that have excelled at the next level (Warrick Dunn & Travis Minor).

Seer1 08-04-2017 03:39 PM

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[QUOTE=hagan714;757287]
I still have not heard an argument of Lattimore over OJ Howard that changes my mind.

That's a discussion that we'll maybe have to have at the end of the season Hagan. I thought position wise a DB was a better pick for us. Haven't really drunk the koolaid on Latt, but as far as the pick for a position.... RBs and WRs can pick up the slack for a low to average TE. Nobody can really do that for a low to average to injured CB. Just hopefully we didn't pick an injured CB!

AsylumGuido 08-04-2017 05:06 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
[quote=Seer1;757332]
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 757287)
I still have not heard an argument of Lattimore over OJ Howard that changes my mind.

That's a discussion that we'll maybe have to have at the end of the season Hagan. I thought position wise a DB was a better pick for us. Haven't really drunk the koolaid on Latt, but as far as the pick for a position.... RBs and WRs can pick up the slack for a low to average TE. Nobody can really do that for a low to average to injured CB. Just hopefully we didn't pick an injured CB!

The way I look at it we already have, without Howard, what can once again be the best offense in the NFL. It has been defense that has blocked our way to another Lombardi. While Howard may have been a transitional player at his position, he would not, in my opinion, have improved our chances the succeed as much as any improvement on the defensive side.

QBREES9 08-04-2017 08:26 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Does Ryan Nassib have a chance.

jeanpierre 08-04-2017 08:34 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Don't get caught up with the LS names; thought the TE Griffin was also ablel to LS...


ChrisXVI 08-04-2017 08:51 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757379)
Don't get caught up with the LS names; thought the TE Griffin was also ablel to LS...

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...02043310559232

What was wrong with Justin Drescher? I don't remember hearing anything about why we let him go.

jeanpierre 08-04-2017 09:05 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 757394)
What was wrong with Justin Drescher? I don't remember hearing anything about why we let him go.

Thinking two blocked kicks and a couple of bad snaps during games last season had something to do with it...

It's also quite possible with all the time and tape on him he developed some habitual "tells" and "tendencies" that gave the opposition an advantage in the kicking game...

jeanpierre 08-04-2017 09:27 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
We've still got a whole helluva lot of Training Camp and Pre-Season, but I'd say the early numbers are going like thus...

Quarterback - 2
Fullback - 1
RunningBack - 5
WR/SR - 6
TE - 2
OT - 3
OG - 3
OC - 2

DE - 5
DT - 4
LB - 6
S - 5
CB - 6

See some first week shuffling again, by starting with only two TE...

We'll keep six CB, a premium position for us and the league...

Armstead and or Unger may get injury designations that will open up a roster spot for a third TE that will be claimed off waivers; not sure Phillips can recover all this lost time after that appendectomy; he's a keeper, but not a luxury we can afford...

jeanpierre 08-05-2017 05:45 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
KEY QUESTIONS - OFFENSIVE LINE

LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe

Ultimately you have to earn a job, but here are some scenarios I see playing out...

Unger may not play Week 1 or even 3, but for him to be that close would mean another DE, RB or CB...How important will it be for Unger and Kelemete to be ready at the beginning of the season?!?

Assuming Ramczyk just does a great job at LT, do we keep Bryce Harris with an aged Zach Strief?!? And does Terron Armstead get moved in the offseason???

Peat and Warford look to have tremendous size, mass at their respective positions and seem to be part of a plan to run the ball a little more; after Kelemete, who will probably already be playing C for a couple of weeks, who backs these guys up???

Out of Fullington, Turner, and LeRibeus, who is making this roster???

hagan714 08-05-2017 06:22 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
[quote=Seer1;757332]
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 757287)
I still have not heard an argument of Lattimore over OJ Howard that changes my mind.

That's a discussion that we'll maybe have to have at the end of the season Hagan. I thought position wise a DB was a better pick for us. Haven't really drunk the koolaid on Latt, but as far as the pick for a position.... RBs and WRs can pick up the slack for a low to average TE. Nobody can really do that for a low to average to injured CB. Just hopefully we didn't pick an injured CB!

As for "That's a discussion that we'll maybe have to have at the end of the season" I have to say no conclusion can be reach. I decide that after the players play out their rookie contracts.

So Lattimore has 4 years to do his thing. Lattiimore is a saint and I hope he feeds me crow in 4

[quote=AsylumGuido;757344]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 757332)

The way I look at it we already have, without Howard, what can once again be the best offense in the NFL. It has been defense that has blocked our way to another Lombardi. While Howard may have been a transitional player at his position, he would not, in my opinion, have improved our chances the succeed as much as any improvement on the defensive side.

My point is I do care about a position of need in the first round so much . It factors in but as a minor factor in round 1

I ask myself a few simple Questions in Round 1
(If the player lives up to their billing)

Does the player have a skill set you see only once in a long while?
Is the player a safe pick just looking at injury history?
Will the player give us cap flexibility in the next few years?
Does that player fill a need?

I answered yes to 4 for OJ
I answered yes to 2 for Lattimore.

Level of need at CB is higher but the rare type of player wins out despite a lower level of need. With the desperate shuffle of the OL now a TE with solid blocking skills would be a welcomed addition. Heine site I know but a factor that I thought was a bigger need than most before the draft

http://blackandgold.com/blogs/hagan7...huge-need.html

Any was, Draft needs would change and be weighted heavier to the Secondary from round 2 on.

Round 3 is the round I would have rolled the dice a CB with an injury history
CB Fabian Moreau instead with the second pick in the third. Then add another later like CB/RB/KR/PR Brandon Wilson in the 6th

I like our 2nd round pick FS Marcus Williams but I would have added another in FS/SS Kai Nacua in the 7th or make my top priority UFA since we traded the pick.

So thats 3 DB drafted and one we are chasing to fill a need that given the talent coming of IR was not IMO as high of a need as most. But still one of the top areas of need. FS and CB would have weighted equally after rounds 2 and 3 IMO as an area of need.

If BPA in the first over rides an bigger area of need then that area of need will get banged at least twice in the draft if possible.

That is how I roll at draft time


But opinions are like A-holes we all have them

hagan714 08-05-2017 07:30 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
[quote=jeanpierre;757451]KEY QUESTIONS - OFFENSIVE LINE

LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe

Ultimately you have to earn a job, but here are some scenarios I see playing out...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757451)
Unger may not play Week 1 or even 3, but for him to be that close would mean another DE, RB or CB...How important will it be for Unger and Kelemete to be ready at the beginning of the season?!?

Scan the waiver wire for a veteran filling as a camp cut. If not Drew goes under center

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757451)
Assuming Ramczyk just does a great job at LT, do we keep Bryce Harris with an aged Zach Strief?!? And does Terron Armstead get moved in the offseason???[/B]


If you did I would bounce OT to the top of the area of needs list in 2018.

[/B]
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757451)
757451Peat and Warford look to have tremendous size, mass at their respective positions and seem to be part of a plan to run the ball a little more; after Kelemete, who will probably already be playing C for a couple of weeks, who backs these guys up???


OG looks hopeful, Fullington and Turner looks to be next men up and we run the ball

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757451)
Out of Fullington, Turner, and LeRibeus, who is making this roster???

Fullington and Turner is getting my vote I guess. The saints will play that PUP/IR game to keep a player while we over stock the OL till Unger comes back

jeanpierre 08-05-2017 10:17 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
[SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Sweltering Heat! :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67),
34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn,
11 - Corey Fuller, 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann, 17 - Rashad Lawrence
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 62- Kristjan Sokoli

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 79 - Bryce Harris, 73 - Jerry Ugokwe

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips *NFI

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA),
81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA) *NFI

NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti

MLB (3) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o, 99 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 59 - Jonathan Walton UDFA

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 24 - Sterling Moore, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11)

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 31 - Chris Banjo, 30 - Erik Harris

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie

LCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 34 - Dejaun Butler (UDFA), 40 - Delvin Breaux


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA)


RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

OC 60 - Max Unger

LT 72 - Terron Armstead


Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 45; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4
*Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players

PRACTICE SQUAD*

74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption)


RESERVE/INJURED*

LB 59 - Dannell Ellerbe

WR 85 - Dan Arnold


RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL ILLNESS*

DT 90 - Nick Fairley


RESERVE/RETIRED*

OL 62 - Chris Watt


KEY:

PROJECTED STARTER

FREE AGENT

ROOKIE

INJURED

jeanpierre 08-05-2017 10:22 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

Seer1 08-05-2017 10:27 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
The long snap and the shotgun are two different things, right?

jeanpierre 08-05-2017 10:34 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Still Early Projection :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (6) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 34 - Darius Victor (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn

LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 69 - Khalif Barnes

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington

C (2) OC 60 - Max Unger, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RG (1) 67 - Larry Warford

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief

TE (2) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA), 15 - Jake Lampmann


DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103)

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer

NT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 95 - Tyeler Davison

DE (3) 57 - Alex Okafor, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196)

SLB (3) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 56 - Michael Mauti

MLB (2) 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Manti Te'o

WLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76)

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 23 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 24 - Sterling Moore

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush

LCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - De’Vante Harris


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher


RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

LT 72 - Terron Armstead


Roster Count - Total: 00; Offense: 45; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4
*Following Do Not Count Against League Roster Limit of Ninety (90) Players

PRACTICE SQUAD*

74 - Alex Jenkins (European Exemption)


KEY:

PROJECTED STARTER

FREE AGENT

ROOKIE

INJURED

K Major 08-05-2017 10:38 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 757565)

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 80 - Clay Harbor, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - John Phillips *NFI

Is it just me or has this group ^^^^^^ been awfully quiet at camp thus far ?

jeanpierre 08-05-2017 10:51 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 757562)
The long snap and the shotgun are two different things, right?

Yes. The LS is in the kicking game (Special Teams) and snaps the ball into play to either the Punter for Punts or the Place Kick Holder for a FGA, unless there's a trick play... ;)

While the shotgun snaps the ball from scrimmage to the quarterback a couple of yards behind center (again, unless there's a trick play), while the team in possession of the ball is on offense...

jeanpierre 08-05-2017 10:56 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 757566)
Is it just me or has this group ^^^^^^ been awfully quiet at camp thus far ?

Other than the Coby Fleener/Vonn Bell scraps, it's been pretty quiet...

Josh Hill did get his bell wrung a few times, most notably by Kenny V...

This camp set up beautifully for John Phillips until he had his appendectomy...

FA Gary Barnidge, 31yo, is still unsigned; I liken him to former Saints TE David Thomas...

I'd keep an eye on Clay Harbor, he was a trendy,sneaky Fantasy TE just a couple of seasons ago...

jeanpierre 08-06-2017 06:42 AM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
This is about the only Transaction Wire that has stayed current...

New Orleans Saints Transactions at NFL.com

Whoever runs, oversees the Saints' webpage should be ashamed...

jeanpierre 08-06-2017 12:24 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

AsylumGuido 08-06-2017 02:53 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 


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