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dizzle88 07-07-2017 07:17 AM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 754424)
Kenny as a true safety?
he has not developed into that roll yet and probably never will live up to first round pick value.

Kenny as a chess piece to move around and play a LB/S roll?
This is his specialty and he is one of the better ones in the NFL.

Just do not over pay the toy in 2018.

But Rob Roy had his dream and Pro Bowl SS Malcolm Jenkins was not part of that dream. So two first round picks spent on one position. Bit costly for a S/LB

Rob Ryan was the biggest mistake of the Sean Payton Era
I doubt getting rid of Jenkins was Rob Ryan's decision, letting Jenkins go to sign Byrd has Sean Payton written all over it.

Just like when he tried to pay upwards of 50 mil for Paul Kruger but the Browns outbid him.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2017 07:30 AM
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But all of that is in the past. Personnel moves have been much better over the past two years and things are really looking up.

K Major 07-07-2017 08:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 754424)


But Rob Roy had his dream and Pro Bowl SS Malcolm Jenkins was not part of that dream. So two first round picks spent on one position. Bit costly for a S/LB

Rob Ryan was the biggest mistake of the Sean Payton Era
Bad coaching on Malcolm. I asked myself, how do you go from the worst rated safety in the NFL to one of the best? ... Coaching. If a player is struggling ...coach em up!!! MJ had a ton of flaws but glad he turned it around.

hagan714 07-07-2017 10:22 AM
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when your getting players to fit a coaches system it amazes me how coaches dodge the blame and the FO gets to be the scape goat.

Seer1 07-07-2017 11:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 754429)
when your getting players to fit a coaches system it amazes me how coaches dodge the blame and the FO gets to be the scape goat.
Or the player....

jeanpierre 07-07-2017 03:07 PM
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I would've consider Max Unger a Top 5 Saint on this roster...

jeanpierre 07-07-2017 04:40 PM
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AsylumGuido 07-07-2017 05:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 754441)
I would've consider Max Unger a Top 5 Saint on this roster...

https://twitter.com/SaintsNOW/status/883303783278817280
6th is close enough, JP.

:D

jeanpierre 07-07-2017 08:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 754450)
6th is close enough, JP.

:D
Third. Guido, I rather believe after Brees and Cam Jordan, he's that important a piece to what we do...

All this brouhaha over Armstead, and the talking heads forget we went more than half the season without him...

If I have any trepidation about the upcoming season, it's Unger getting healthy to manage Brees' protection...

K Major 07-07-2017 08:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 754462)

If I have any trepidation about the upcoming season, it's Unger getting healthy to manage Brees' protection...

^^^^ This ^^^^

halloween 65 07-08-2017 12:39 PM
Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 754426)
I doubt getting rid of Jenkins was Rob Ryan's decision, letting Jenkins go to sign Byrd has Sean Payton written all over it.

Just like when he tried to pay upwards of 50 mil for Paul Kruger but the Browns outbid him.
I'm glad we got rid of Jenkins with his ass clown play while he was here, actually pathetic play. I could care less about if he pro bowls every year, I think waking him up was going to not have those easy game checks our front office give his for his pathetic play while he was here and another team wasn't going to go so easy on his sorry butt. Yeah money wakes people up sometimes!!

blackangold 07-08-2017 01:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 754494)
I'm glad we got rid of Jenkins with his ass clown play while he was here, actually pathetic play. I could care less about if he pro bowls every year, I think waking him up was going to not have those easy game checks our front office give his for his pathetic play while he was here and another team wasn't going to go so easy on his sorry butt. Yeah money wakes people up sometimes!!
Disagree
We let him go after his best year with us and was showing signs of getting better after sucking for a few years. We broke apart the chemistry that was built with the 4th ranked D in the league. The D fell apart after we lost the chemistry and MJ was a piece of the folks we lost..

halloween 65 07-08-2017 02:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 754497)
Disagree
We let him go after his best year with us and was showing signs of getting better after sucking for a few years. We broke apart the chemistry that was built with the 4th ranked D in the league. The D fell apart after we lost the chemistry and MJ was a piece of the folks we lost..
Jenkins was a joke while he was here or he would still be here.

Rugby Saint II 07-09-2017 01:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 754498)
Jenkins was a joke while he was here or he would still be here.
His play improved when he left. He might still be here if we had better coaches back then. Just sayin.......:cool:

AsylumGuido 07-10-2017 07:55 AM
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K Major 07-10-2017 08:11 AM
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C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 62 - Chris Watt, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen, 60 - Max Unger

This should become an interesting battle at camp. I read Chris Watt (recent signee from SD) can play C AND Guard.

jeanpierre 07-10-2017 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 754594)
C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 62 - Chris Watt, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen, 60 - Max Unger

This should become an interesting battle at camp. I read Chris Watt (recent signee from SD) can play C AND Guard.
Watt is a former 3rd round draft pick of San Diego out of Notre Dame...

Was recognized as the best student-athlete his senior year though...

Getting healthy, being available has always been his biggest problem...

K Major 07-10-2017 09:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 754602)
Getting healthy, being available has always been his biggest problem..
Damn.

Side note - I'm really hoping that the former San Diego boys (Teo' and Watt) can help in 2017.

jeanpierre 07-10-2017 11:39 AM
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Well, the raw talent is still there, so if he can get healthy then a mild roll of the dice would pay huge dividends in interior line depth for us...

jeanpierre 07-11-2017 09:01 AM
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Holder thinks highly of a guy that was only available for seven (7) games last season...

AsylumGuido 07-12-2017 08:42 AM
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Worried about losing Cooks? Don't be. Watch this quick segment from NFL Network.

jeanpierre 07-12-2017 10:23 AM
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jeanpierre 07-14-2017 12:46 PM
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Strong!

jeanpierre 07-14-2017 12:54 PM
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jeanpierre 07-14-2017 12:55 PM
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Well, Larry Holder finished the "list" this year...

jeanpierre 07-17-2017 03:19 AM
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One thing Larry Holder never does is stick his neck out, but these rankings are very questionable...

jeanpierre 07-20-2017 12:48 PM
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jeanpierre 07-20-2017 12:57 PM
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jeanpierre 07-20-2017 12:58 PM
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jeanpierre 07-20-2017 01:01 PM
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Looks like Payton is going to redshirt Duval...

jeanpierre 07-20-2017 01:02 PM
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Rookie Report Day :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 36 - Daniel Lasco,
38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA)
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn,
16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Jake Lampmann, 11 - Corey Fuller, 17 - Rashad Lawrence
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 79 - Bryce Harris, 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 62 - Chris Watt, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen, 60 - Max Unger

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 69 - Khalif Barnes

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 86 - John Phillips, 80 - Clay Harbor

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA),
81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 88 - Justin Thomas (UDFA)

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen, 74 - Alex Jenkins (PS-E)

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 92 - Justin Zimmer

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 45 - Sae Tautu (UDFA)

MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 99 - Adam Bighill, 51 - Manti Te'o

WLB (3) 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 34 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 21 - De’Vante Harris, 24 - Sterling Moore, 27 - Damian Swann

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 31 - Chris Banjo

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA), 45 - Garrett Griffin


INJURED RESERVE

DT 90 - Nick Fairley (NFI)


INJURED NON-FOOTBALL INJURY

WR 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA)

DT 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA)


Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 43; Defense: 41; Kicking: 5


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Addition/Extension

Rookie

Injured

jeanpierre 07-22-2017 08:19 PM
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spkb25 07-22-2017 08:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 755493)
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Rookie Report Day :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 10 - Chase Daniel, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 2 - Ryan Nassib

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn, 39 - John Robinson (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 36 - Daniel Lasco,
38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 35 - Trey Edmunds (UDFA)
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn,
16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Jake Lampmann, 11 - Corey Fuller, 17 - Rashad Lawrence
LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 79 - Bryce Harris, 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 61 - Josh LeRibeus, 62 - Chris Watt, 63 - Cameron Tom (UDFA), 66 - Jack Allen, 60 - Max Unger

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 69 - Khalif Barnes

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 86 - John Phillips, 80 - Clay Harbor

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA),
81 - Jordan Williams, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 88 - Justin Thomas (UDFA)

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 55 - Darryl Tapp, 70 - Mitchell Loewen, 74 - Alex Jenkins (PS-E)

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 92 - Justin Zimmer

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 76 - Tony McDaniel, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad (R6, P196), 58 - Obum Gwacham

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 45 - Sae Tautu (UDFA)

MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 99 - Adam Bighill, 51 - Manti Te'o

WLB (3) 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 34 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 21 - De’Vante Harris, 24 - Sterling Moore, 27 - Damian Swann

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 31 - Chris Banjo

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush, 35 - Robenson Therezie

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA), 39 - Taveze Calhoun


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford, 49 - Chase Dominguez (UDFA), 45 - Garrett Griffin


INJURED RESERVE

DT 90 - Nick Fairley (NFI)


INJURED NON-FOOTBALL INJURY

WR 14 - Travin Dural (UDFA)

DT 68 - Devaroe Lawrence (UDFA)


Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 43; Defense: 41; Kicking: 5


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Addition/Extension

Rookie

Injured
Ellerbe is down? Didn't hear that. I mean I know he will be, but I hadn't heard he was hurt already

hagan714 07-22-2017 08:58 PM
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LT (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Bryce Harris, 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 78 - Landon Turner, 77 - John Fullington


Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 755667)
https://twitter.com/MikeTriplett/status/888915256923303936
LMAO he skipped SLB all together

K Major 07-22-2017 09:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 755670)
Ellerbe is down? Didn't hear that. I mean I know he will be, but I hadn't heard he was hurt already
Mind boggling how injury prone he has been as of late.

jeanpierre 07-23-2017 06:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 755671)
LT (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Bryce Harris, 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 78 - Landon Turner, 77 - John Fullington

LMAO he skipped SLB all together
Yeah, it seems Tripp is becoming more and more of the ESPN group-think in his writing and his predictions, not rocking the boat as much; he's become Larry Holder...

jeanpierre 07-23-2017 10:40 PM
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jeanpierre 07-24-2017 05:12 AM
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Training Camp - Pre-Camp 53 Man Roster Prediction :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 2 - Ryan Nassib

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - Adrian Peterson, 41 - Alvin Kamara (R3, P67), 36 - Daniel Lasco, 38 - Travaris Cadet

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn, 15 - Jake Lampmann

LT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32), 72 - Terron Armstead (PUP)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 62 - Chris Watt, 60 - Max Unger

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 86 - John Phillips

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead (ERFA), 88 - Justin Thomas (UDFA)


DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 93 - David Onyemata, 74 - Alex Jenkins (PS-Exempt)

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 92 - Justin Zimmer

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 76 - Tony McDaniel

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 91 -Trey Hendrickson (R3, P103)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar

MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone (R3, P76), 59 - Dannell Ellerbe

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 34 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 21 - De’Vante Harris, 24 - Sterling Moore

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 43 - Marcus Williams (R2, P42), 25 - Rafael Bush

LCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Thomas Gafford

ChrisXVI 07-24-2017 10:16 AM
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jeanpierre 07-24-2017 10:40 AM
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Brees, Breaux, Snead - gotta get 'em done...


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