Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED

dizzle88 · 01-05-2017, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

I did read everything you wrote. You're narrow minded and still have tunnel vision.

How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games.

If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game.

spkb25 · 01-05-2017, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games.

If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game.

It is literally as if they have no ability to objectively judge.

NonieT · 01-05-2017, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games.

If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game.

Originally Posted by spkb25

It is literally as if they have no ability to objectively judge.

No one is saying the offense isn't to blame. We merely state that we need a defense to pick up the slack. YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO BE PERFECT ALL OF THE TIME. As someone has already said teams with good defenses and ST do not lose when the offense falters.

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2017, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

No one is saying the offense isn't to blame. We merely state that we need a defense to pick up the slack. YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO BE PERFECT ALL OF THE TIME. As someone has already said teams with good defenses and ST do not lose when the offense falters.

Yes! That is what I am trying to say.

WillSaints81 · 01-06-2017, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

No one is saying the offense isn't to blame. We merely state that we need a defense to pick up the slack. YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO BE PERFECT ALL OF THE TIME. As someone has already said teams with good defenses and ST do not lose when the offense falters.

So how were the saints defense supposed to win that game against the giants with the offense scoring just 13 points and holding them to no TDs? How were they supposed to win scoring just 23 points against Denver? What were they supposed to do, take the offense out of fg range? It's just tough kittens they lost at KC right? So a fg was blocked by Carolina. The offense still would have been down 23-9 going into the fourth. If anything it's a tie and going to OT.

In 2009 sb year
Lions............27
Eagles..........20
bills.............7
jets............10
giants...........20
dolphins.......34
falcons..........27
panthers.......20
rams..............23(yes, the 1-15 rams)
bucs............7
[/b]patriots....17[/b]
Washington....30
falcons...........24(against a backup qb)
cowboys.........24
bucs................20
panthers.........21

So beside a showboat game against NE, only Mark Sanchez, Trent Edwards, and Josh Freeman we held to less than 20 points. Such great QBs that's why they are starting.

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2017, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games.

If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game.

Did I ever say the offense didn't deserve any blame? NO! Yet he claims the offense deserves ALL the blame in those losses. THAT is bullcrap and anyone with any degree of logic could understand that very simple fact.

spkb25 · 01-05-2017, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Did I ever say the offense didn't deserve any blame? NO! Yet he claims the offense deserves ALL the blame in those losses. THAT is bullcrap and anyone with any degree of logic could understand that very simple fact.

Dizzle, what he's doing now is trying to change his argument. He is trying to change what he said a little bit ago. Earlier he said that the defense played horrible in those 5 games, now he is changing it to the offense doesn't deserve all the blame, lolol

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2017, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Dizzle, what he's doing now is trying to change his argument. He is trying to change what he said a little bit ago. Earlier he said that the defense played horrible in those 5 games, now he is changing it to the offense doesn't deserve all the blame, lolol

Wrong, friend. I said the defense and special teams played poorly all season and the offense was repeatedly forced to take chances. But, yes, there were tipped passes that resulted in picks. There were untimely fumbles. There were forces passes. I never said the defense played horribly in those losses. They played well considering.

01-05-2017, 08:37 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by NonieT I did read everything you wrote. You're narrow minded and still have tunnel vision. How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games. If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game. spkb25 likes this.

01-05-2017, 08:38 PM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by dizzle88 How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games. If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game. It is literally as if they have no ability to objectively judge.

01-05-2017, 09:12 PM	#3
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by dizzle88 How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games. If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game. Originally Posted by spkb25 It is literally as if they have no ability to objectively judge. No one is saying the offense isn't to blame. We merely state that we need a defense to pick up the slack. YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO BE PERFECT ALL OF THE TIME. As someone has already said teams with good defenses and ST do not lose when the offense falters.
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01-05-2017, 09:22 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by NonieT No one is saying the offense isn't to blame. We merely state that we need a defense to pick up the slack. YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO BE PERFECT ALL OF THE TIME. As someone has already said teams with good defenses and ST do not lose when the offense falters. Yes! That is what I am trying to say.

01-06-2017, 12:34 AM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by NonieT No one is saying the offense isn't to blame. We merely state that we need a defense to pick up the slack. YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO BE PERFECT ALL OF THE TIME. As someone has already said teams with good defenses and ST do not lose when the offense falters. So how were the saints defense supposed to win that game against the giants with the offense scoring just 13 points and holding them to no TDs? How were they supposed to win scoring just 23 points against Denver? What were they supposed to do, take the offense out of fg range? It's just tough kittens they lost at KC right? So a fg was blocked by Carolina. The offense still would have been down 23-9 going into the fourth. If anything it's a tie and going to OT. In 2009 sb year Lions............27 Eagles..........20 bills.............7 jets............10 giants...........20 dolphins.......34 falcons..........27 panthers.......20 rams..............23(yes, the 1-15 rams) bucs............7 [/b]patriots....17[/b] Washington....30 falcons...........24(against a backup qb) cowboys.........24 bucs................20 panthers.........21 So beside a showboat game against NE, only Mark Sanchez, Trent Edwards, and Josh Freeman we held to less than 20 points. Such great QBs that's why they are starting.

01-05-2017, 08:46 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by dizzle88 How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games. If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game. Did I ever say the offense didn't deserve any blame? NO! Yet he claims the offense deserves ALL the blame in those losses. THAT is bullcrap and anyone with any degree of logic could understand that very simple fact.

01-05-2017, 08:47 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Did I ever say the offense didn't deserve any blame? NO! Yet he claims the offense deserves ALL the blame in those losses. THAT is bullcrap and anyone with any degree of logic could understand that very simple fact. Dizzle, what he's doing now is trying to change his argument. He is trying to change what he said a little bit ago. Earlier he said that the defense played horrible in those 5 games, now he is changing it to the offense doesn't deserve all the blame, lolol dizzle88 likes this.

01-05-2017, 08:52 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED Originally Posted by spkb25 Dizzle, what he's doing now is trying to change his argument. He is trying to change what he said a little bit ago. Earlier he said that the defense played horrible in those 5 games, now he is changing it to the offense doesn't deserve all the blame, lolol Wrong, friend. I said the defense and special teams played poorly all season and the offense was repeatedly forced to take chances. But, yes, there were tipped passes that resulted in picks. There were untimely fumbles. There were forces passes. I never said the defense played horribly in those losses. They played well considering.

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