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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by NonieT Who's to blame for your tunnel vision??? Unfortunately you probably haven't read everything I wrote, so when you go back and look at what was already discussed come back, but those 5 losses were solely, solely ...

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Old 01-05-2017, 08:13 PM   #1
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Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED

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Who's to blame for your tunnel vision???
Unfortunately you probably haven't read everything I wrote, so when you go back and look at what was already discussed come back, but those 5 losses were solely, solely on the offense. It really isn't tunnel vision, it is just facts. I didn't create them, did you actually watch those 5 games or go through the play by play to refresh your memory? It might help you to do that, maybe it would give you a different perspective.
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Unfortunately you probably haven't read everything I wrote, so when you go back and look at what was already discussed come back, but those 5 losses were solely, solely on the offense. It really isn't tunnel vision, it is just facts. I didn't create them, did you actually watch those 5 games or go through the play by play to refresh your memory? It might help you to do that, maybe it would give you a different perspective.
I have read every word you have written, regardless of how misguided they have been. You have blamed everything on the offense when in every game you reference the defense and/or the special teams were horrible. The offense would have had to play near perfect games to win those games. You are fixated on a fictitious history.

You claim so many of your fellow members believe the same. I say you are full of crap. You are the ONLY one spouting this crap.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:31 PM   #3
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I have read every word you have written, regardless of how misguided they have been. You have blamed everything on the offense when in every game you reference the defense and/or the special teams were horrible. The offense would have had to play near perfect games to win those games. You are fixated on a fictitious history.

You claim so many of your fellow members believe the same. I say you are full of crap. You are the ONLY one spotting this crap.
The defense let up 9 points against the Giants. Horrible. I hear ya,
The Defense let up 16 points against the Bucs, Horrible you say
The Defense let up 20 points against the Chiefs, horrible you say
The defense let up 23 points had 6 sacks and two turnovers against the Broncos and held them to FG's after two turnovers, one at our 34 and one at our 20. horrible.
Against the Panthers they let up 23 points even though the offense had two turnovers inside our 35 yard line. The panthers longest drive was 51 yards, horrible

Like has been proven all 5 of those losses were solely on the offense
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:43 PM   #4
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The defense let up 9 points against the Giants. Horrible. I hear ya,
The Defense let up 16 points against the Bucs, Horrible you say
The Defense let up 20 points against the Chiefs, horrible you say
The defense let up 23 points had 6 sacks and two turnovers against the Broncos and held them to FG's after two turnovers, one at our 34 and one at our 20. horrible.
Against the Panthers they let up 23 points even though the offense had two turnovers inside our 35 yard line. The panthers longest drive was 51 yards, horrible

Like has been proven all 5 of those losses were solely on the offense
No, you are wrong. The defenses of the Giants, Bucs, Chiefs, Broncos and Panthers all among the best. That forces the offense to take more chances when your defense and special teams suck. Those are the very teams that would take advantage of the pressure placed upon the offense.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:45 PM   #5
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No, you are wrong. The defenses of the Giants, Bucs, Chiefs, Broncos and Panthers all among the best. That forces the offense to take more chances when your defense and special teams suck. Those are the very teams that would take advantage of the pressure placed upon the offense.
The defense let up 9 points against the Giants. Horrible. I hear ya,
The Defense let up 16 points against the Bucs, Horrible you say
The Defense let up 20 points against the Chiefs, and the offense turned the ball over 3 times, once for a TD, horrible you say
The defense let up 23 points had 6 sacks and two turnovers against the Broncos and held them to FG's after two turnovers, one at our 34 and one at our 20. horrible.
Against the Panthers they let up 23 points even though the offense had two turnovers inside our 35 yard line. The panthers longest drive was 51 yards, horrible

Like has been proven all 5 of those losses were solely on the offense

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The defense let up 9 points against the Giants. Horrible. I hear ya,
The Defense let up 16 points against the Bucs, Horrible you say
The Defense let up 20 points against the Chiefs, and the offense turned the ball over 3 times, once for a TD, horrible you say
The defense let up 23 points had 6 sacks and two turnovers against the Broncos and held them to FG's after two turnovers, one at our 34 and one at our 20. horrible.
Against the Panthers they let up 23 points even though the offense had two turnovers inside our 35 yard line. The panthers longest drive was 51 yards, horrible

Like has been proven all 5 of those losses were solely on the offense
Whatever. Believe what you want. Live in your little dreamland.

What is the objective to your silly crusade?
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:33 PM   #7
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Unfortunately you probably haven't read everything I wrote, so when you go back and look at what was already discussed come back, but those 5 losses were solely, solely on the offense. It really isn't tunnel vision, it is just facts. I didn't create them, did you actually watch those 5 games or go through the play by play to refresh your memory? It might help you to do that, maybe it would give you a different perspective.
I did read everything you wrote. You're narrow minded and still have tunnel vision.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:37 PM   #8
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I did read everything you wrote. You're narrow minded and still have tunnel vision.
How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games.

If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:38 PM   #9
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How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games.

If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game.
It is literally as if they have no ability to objectively judge.
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Old 01-05-2017, 09:12 PM   #10
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How can that be considered narrow minded? He listed games which I agree the offense lost for us, but also agreed the defense wasn't good in the other games.

If anyone is narrow minded, it's the ones that absolutely refuse to blame the offense, even when they turn the ball over 4 times in a game.
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It is literally as if they have no ability to objectively judge.
No one is saying the offense isn't to blame. We merely state that we need a defense to pick up the slack. YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO BE PERFECT ALL OF THE TIME. As someone has already said teams with good defenses and ST do not lose when the offense falters.
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