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Old 01-07-2017, 07:02 AM   #1
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This to me shows Payton is on the hot seat

If next season resembles the last 3 seasons in any way, e.g 0-4 start and missing the playoffs, then I don't think Payton makes it to the end of the season.
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This to me shows Payton is on the hot seat

If next season resembles the last 3 sessons in any way, e.g 0-4 start and missing the playoffs, then I don't think Payton makes it to the end of the season.
He might make it to the end of the season but he won't make it past, you're definitely right. All the people talking about how his record doesn't matter and he is never going anywhere, BS. These firings were not because SP had an Epiphany, his ass is on the hot seat.I think he probably also recognizes they need some new young energy flowing into things.

I agree with you, he is on the hot seat.
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He might make it to the end of the season but he won't make it past, you're definitely right. All the people talking about how his record doesn't matter and he is never going anywhere, BS. These firings were not because SP had an Epiphany, his ass is on the hot seat.I think he probably also recognizes they need some new young energy flowing into things.

I agree with you, he is on the hot seat.
He bought himself some time for sure. How much? I truely believe it will be on how his boy Allen's D performs. If the D loses games like they have I think him and Allen will be packing bags and moving on.
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He bought himself some time for sure. How much? I truely believe it will be on how his boy Allen's D performs. If the D loses games like they have I think him and Allen will be packing bags and moving on.
Yeah no doubt, definitely a time buying measure. You look at the Revns and they fired their o'cord. Other teams are letting go entire d side of the ball, think the skins. It is what coaches do before their ass is rocked. Think back after '06, 07 and 08 were sub par years.7-9 and 8-8. SP was feeling the heat again then, what did he do? Fired his Dcoord.

FF to now, 3 straight 7-9 campaigns from Low Energy. His ******* is on fire right now it is so hott. Couldn't fire the dccord, only been here one season, so fire everyone else.

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Yeah no doubt, definitely a time buying measure. You look at the Revns and they fired their o'cord. Other teams are letting go entire d side of the ball, think the skins. It is what coaches do before their ass is rocked. Think back after '06, 07 and 08 were sub par years.7-9 and 8-8. SP was feeling the heat again then, what did he do? Fired his Dcoord.

FF to now, 3 straight 7-9 campaigns from Low Energy. His ******* is on fire right now it is so hott. Couldn't fire the dccord, only been here one season, so fire everyone else.
That is so shallow minded. You truly feel fires are made in a vacuum with outward perception being the driving force? I'll guarantee you that Payton doesn't make any move "to buy time". That is juvenile. He made the moves because they had to be made. He fired the coaches he fired because they were not doing their jobs as all of you (yourself, drizzle and halloween) have been promoting. And why would he fire Dennis Allen? The defense showed improvement and Allen showed repeatedly that while working with a squad full of temporary players he could make adjustment at the half, which is something that Ryan could never do. What the defense needs is stability. You don't get that by making change at the top. THAT makes no sense whatsoever.

No, Payton fired those coaches for the sole reason that they needed to be fired. It was the right move to make ... unless y'all think that you were wrong.


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I don't get you guys...

If you've been watching Saints football the last three years, there should be several distinct markers that showed up this season...

Our defenses essentially shut teams down in the second halves of games...

Our secondary really limited the big pass plays compared to previous seasons...

We had three areas that glaringly led to losses this season...

Kicking game directly led to three losses - so McMahon and Kwan were dismissed...

Pass rush, front four were not a threat through most of the season, even when Rankins returned and Onyemata started leveling up - so the defensive line coach was dismissed...

Our first round pick from last year was essentially benched and unable to "grasp" the game - after years of my incessant arguing that Vitt was a liability, my hope was answered and he was dismissed...

Payton is loyal to his guys and those firings emotionally have had to wreck him - they would have for me (and I had to let a close friend go this past year in my business who I had to face was a problem)...

Payton is doing exactly what is necessary, he just has to close the deal with the right hires as he had made last season...

Look at the improvements in the offensive line and defensive secondary - those guys are the argument that not just head coach but assistants should win Coach of the Year...

We're all upset with the record and underachievement this season after another stellar Brees' effort...

The injuries were horrendous and Payton could have used it to sidestep any dismissals - but he's a bright football guy who faced and acknowledged changes to the coaching staff were needed...

You think Jim Mora would have done them? This is Payton's first head coaching gig and he's been fortunate in many regards but this team is headed in the right direction and I for one am really excited about next season...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
I don't get you guys...

If you've been watching Saints football the last three years, there should be several distinct markers that showed up this season...

Our defenses essentially shut teams down in the second halves of games...

Our secondary really limited the big pass plays compared to previous seasons...

We had three areas that glaringly led to losses this season...

Kicking game directly led to three losses - so McMahon and Kwan were dismissed...

Pass rush, front four were not a threat through most of the season, even when Rankins returned and Onyemata started leveling up - so the defensive line coach was dismissed...

Our first round pick from last year was essentially benched and unable to "grasp" the game - after years of my incessant arguing that Vitt was a liability, my hope was answered and he was dismissed...

Payton is loyal to his guys and those firings emotionally have had to wreck him - they would have for me (and I had to let a close friend go this past year in my business who I had to face was a problem)...

Payton is doing exactly what is necessary, he just has to close the deal with the right hires as he had made last season...

Look at the improvements in the offensive line and defensive secondary - those guys are the argument that not just head coach but assistants should win Coach of the Year...

We're all upset with the record and underachievement this season after another stellar Brees' effort...

The injuries were horrendous and Payton could have used it to sidestep any dismissals - but he's a bright football guy who faced and acknowledged changes to the coaching staff were needed...

You think Jim Mora would have done them? This is Payton's first head coaching gig and he's been fortunate in many regards but this team is headed in the right direction and I for one am really excited about next season...
Excellent response, JP. One would think that this would be obvious to all. I couldn't agree more with every point you made, especially about the excitement for next season!
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