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lee909 03-16-2017 08:07 AM
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That comment is spot on

'I'd feel comfortable if i was about to sign a 40ml contract too"

ChrisXVI 03-16-2017 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 741035)
Are we signing adoption papers or trading for an NFL CB?!

AsylumGuido 03-16-2017 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 741039)
Are we signing adoption papers or trading for an NFL CB?!
If this was a simple trade they wouldn't be wining and dining. He has a say in this matter. He has to be willing to sign the tender to take the Saints' first rounder off the table. He would only do that if he knew for certain that a trade in principle has already been agreed upon between the Saints and the Pats.

halloween 65 03-16-2017 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 741039)
Are we signing adoption papers or trading for an NFL CB?!
That is funny!! I was in a bad mood until I read this. Thanks!!

saintsfan1976 03-16-2017 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 740893)
You implied it by saying "Butler is a system cornerback, and that system is known as the NFL".

Is that not suggesting that there are no real system players? I don't see any other way to interpret what you said.
No. You implied it, Sir. My statement should have led you to believe that Butler could work in any system, not that system players don't exist.

Of course system players exist. We have and have had a them on our team.

jeanpierre 03-16-2017 08:58 AM
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jeanpierre 03-16-2017 09:00 AM
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Another view, perspective on why Malcolm Butler is available...

NonieT 03-16-2017 09:59 AM
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Sorry, but I have a bad feeling about all of this. Saints should tell the Patroits to keep Butler. I'd rather take my chances with a rookie CB.

AsylumGuido 03-16-2017 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 741065)
Sorry, but I have a bad feeling about all of this. Saints should tell the Patroits to keep Butler. I'd rather take my chances with a rookie CB.
No matter how talented they may be, it is very rare for a rookie CB to be very effective. It takes most of them a couple of years to get up to NFL speed. A good veteran CB is more valuable than a potentially very good rookie CB if you are wanting to win NOW.

Seer1 03-16-2017 11:47 AM
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Growing a little tired of the speculation here. Anyone speculate we'll have a definitive answer to argue about soon?

NonieT 03-16-2017 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 741087)
No matter how talented they may be, it is very rare for a rookie CB to be very effective. It takes most of them a couple of years to get up to NFL speed. A good veteran CB is more valuable than a potentially very good rookie CB if you are wanting to win NOW.
That may be but I can't shake the feeling that this is a bad idea. God I hope I'm wrong.

voodooido 03-16-2017 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 741087)
No matter how talented they may be, it is very rare for a rookie CB to be very effective. It takes most of them a couple of years to get up to NFL speed. A good veteran CB is more valuable than a potentially very good rookie CB if you are wanting to win NOW.
Last one I remember being a force was Patrick Peterson. 2 Ints and a sack his first year. Most of his impact came on special teams though where he had 4 tds.

jeanpierre 03-16-2017 01:08 PM
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jeanpierre 03-16-2017 01:15 PM
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All this would've been moot had we taken Marcus Peters in 2015 when we had a clear need and he was BPA...

Glad we got Peat, but did we really need two Left Tackles?

jeanpierre 03-16-2017 01:15 PM
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AsylumGuido 03-16-2017 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 741113)
Oh, Hell. It's Ian Fullacrap. Guess the deal is going to fall through. Can't remember the last time he threw crap against the wall and it actually stuck ... unless he's simply repeating what he heard from a respectable journalist.

jeanpierre 03-16-2017 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 741125)
Oh, Hell. It's Ian Fullacrap. Guess the deal is going to fall through. Can't remember the last time he threw crap against the wall and it actually stuck ... unless he's simply repeating what he heard from a respectable journalist.
About that last part...

SmashMouth 03-16-2017 01:58 PM
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https://media.giphy.com/media/UxREcFThpSEqk/giphy.gif

BusDriver 03-16-2017 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 741103)
Last one I remember being a force was Patrick Peterson. 2 Ints and a sack his first year. Most of his impact came on special teams though where he had 4 tds.
KC Chiefs, Marcus Peters, is the last corner to have major impact his rookie year, at least that I can remember.

K Major 03-16-2017 02:02 PM
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Bump ...

ScottF 03-16-2017 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 741113)
In the day and age when no sources are needed...

how in the hell does he "know" this? He can assume it, like we all do, but has he spoken to Butler, his agent, or Loomis? No, because he doesn't quote them by name

ChrisXVI 03-16-2017 02:11 PM
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AsylumGuido 03-16-2017 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 741126)
About that last part...
I know. They are rare, but they are out there. I know a few personally and knew quite a few when I was in the business, but that was ages ago. A new breed these days.

jeanpierre 03-16-2017 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 741127)
This must be what it's like for law-abiding duck hunters the days before duck season opens...

AsylumGuido 03-16-2017 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 741131)
In the day and age when no sources are needed...

how in the hell does he "know" this? He can assume it, like we all do, but has he spoken to Butler, his agent, or Loomis? No, because he doesn't quote them by name
He never knows. He is the worst at starting rumors based upon his uneducated guesses being stated as fact.

AsylumGuido 03-16-2017 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 741132)
This is exactly the scenario I described several times yesterday. Deuce is in a position to know more about what is REALLY happening than disp****s like Ian Fullacrap.

frydaddy 03-16-2017 02:53 PM
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Ian CrapReport

K Major 03-16-2017 03:30 PM
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http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-cont...h-football.gif

|Mitch| 03-16-2017 03:36 PM
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jnormand 03-16-2017 03:48 PM
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So if he's traded for the 32nd pick....And nothing else...How does everyone feel about that?

voodooido 03-16-2017 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 741155)
So if he's traded for the 32nd pick....And nothing else...How does everyone feel about that?

I think we should of got our 4th back in return. At the least a 6th

ikecomp 03-16-2017 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 741155)
So if he's traded for the 32nd pick....And nothing else...How does everyone feel about that?
Cautiously love it! It's basically an even trade. However, if this is true it means a contract has been worked out and I would like to see the details of it before I get too happy.

|Mitch| 03-16-2017 03:54 PM
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It's almost like we traded Cooks for Butler straight up...

|Mitch| 03-16-2017 03:56 PM
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ChrisXVI 03-16-2017 03:57 PM
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There doesn't seem to be any other source backing up that Pardon My Take tweet so I'd take it as BS for the time being.

However, it would back-up what I've heard about NE's #32 pick being a placeholder for Butler since they couldn't get things worked out quickly enough to include him in the Cooks trade.

|Mitch| 03-16-2017 04:00 PM
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jnormand 03-16-2017 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 741161)
There doesn't seem to be any other source backing up that Pardon My Take tweet so I'd take it as BS for the time being.

However, it would back-up what I've heard about NE's #32 pick being a placeholder for Butler since they couldn't get things worked out quickly enough to include him in the Cooks trade.
True. And I guess if we traded Cooks for Butler straight across, I could stomach that. But I still think we should get our other pick back from them.

Just hoping the FO doesn't fold and give NE additional picks.

ChrisXVI 03-16-2017 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 741164)
True. And I guess if we traded Cooks for Butler straight across, I could stomach that. But I still think we should get our other pick back from them.

Just hoping the FO doesn't fold and give NE additional picks.
When all is said and done it should be Butler+3rd rounder for Cooks+4th rounder. Just speculation of course.

lee909 03-16-2017 04:07 PM
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Seems steep to me


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