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Pro bowl CB M. Butler for #42 Huge Win
For # 32 is really trading Cooks for Butler not nearly as good but not terrible.
Butler is much more of a sure thing than any rookie and is game ready now!
Day one Butler makes us a better Defense!
Salary is a big concern.
I am wondering if we wait and see how the draft plays out before we pull the trigger on this trade
I am wondering why we did not go harder at some of the other FA CB

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Yea to me it's obvious that Payton is too eager to make this happen. Payton sees a player he wants and like a crackhead try's his damndest to make it happen. Billicheck knows he has Payton over a barrel. I would like to see him here but only at the right cost. Should have packaged it in with Cooks deal.

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Saints should keep all of their picks. If they want Butler so bad they can always overpay him next season.

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WHO U CALLING A HACK, JACK no one is supposed to know the trade options like u.:greendevil::)

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Look guys, it's easier if you stop thinking we actually had pick #32. Of course until the deal goes down we don't know what the compensation will be but I'm just speculating that was always going to be it.

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For 32 is garbage though, considering the Cooks trade. He obviously was a bad seed, but we could have done better. Unless we win the SB, anything more than 42 or a pick next year is too much.

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Report Out of New Orleans Says Patriots and Saints Have an Agreement to Trade Malcolm Butler for the 32nd Pick


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You know what they say...
THE TRADE ISN'T OVER UNTIL THE FAT CAT RINGS....

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Okay, quick question: Who would be better at 32 than Butler? Butler's a pick that at the very least we know can run with the big dogs.

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Did you see who wrote that article? Totally speculative.

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T.J. Watt and the cap savings hands down.

Butler is good but not good enough for a first and the cap hit.

We are talking shut down CB prices.

Butler is no where near a shut down CB.

I watch him play every Sunday for years.

Do not go down this rabbit hole

all you will get is a Byrd in the end

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You know they'll sign McCourty who will slot right in like a probbowl CB while we loose a cheap player for 5 years and pay Butler 12+ml a year

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Do you not get it yet? You have had the whole thing explained several times. Nothing could be done until Butler was under contract so he could NEVER be part of the Cooks deal. You CANNOT trade a player not under contract.

Do you have a clue how it works at all?

:confused:

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I don't think Butler is worthless. He's a good corner. But idk how to feel about him if we give the #32 back. I guess for me it'll depend on how much his contact is going to cost.

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I hope you're wrong. Problem is we're all a bit apprehensive and gun-shy when it comes to getting DBs now. That's all due to Byrd. He got paid WAY too much money and was never that good for us.

If we get Butler....I hope it's nothing like the Byrd situation.

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Forget the 32nd pick, even if we sent just a third round pick back, here's the thing about Butler, many here (and obviously in Saints plaza) don't realize...

Butler and his representation are gonna argue he's rated as a Top 10 CB (if you follow PFF and others, they're right) and he's openly stated he wants to be compensated accordingly. Have no problem, he should get all he can...

I also follow Pat's games, and the problem I have is this: Butler rarely ever covers the opponents X-receiver (No. 1). Ever. So you're gonna pay him that kind of money for a shorter CB? Did we learn nothing from Jason David?

WTF is the problem in the Saints' office that they are so insecure about drafting & developing a CB?

Even if he comes in and gives solid play against the other teams Y receiver, you could have cap savings with a number of stellar rookie CBs from this draft season?

Why does this team continue to overpay?!?

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How about this...

What does it say about Payton/Loomis ineptness in personnel moves vs Belichick that we use a first and third round pick to acquire an All-American and now NFL Top 5 WR and trade that away for a Div. II player UDRFA who blossomed in the Patriots defensive system?

Would it not bother you that a CB who seemingly has made some big plays for his team now sees that team unwilling to pay him, but another CB MORE money than his asking price and is willing to trade him away?

This entire unfolding of events is nothing more than Payton/Loomis raising a white flag and saying - "We give up. We don't know WTF we're doing in personnel matters. We're gonna put it all on this player and when the fails to bring home another Superbowl, we'll just hang it all on him."

Have never seen such a brilliant offensive game planer handicap his teams with the worst personnel moves as Payton seems to do annually...

Even if Butler doesn't bust. Even if the team's defense rebounds, which I've argued it was gonna do anyway. There's no ledger sheet that can reconcile the wasteful use of draft picks Payton has burned through...

We really need a front office man with power over Payton to put this kind of crap in check; The Loomis Rubber Stamp has got to freaking go.

When the late Mr. Finks was here, he told Mora who to draft and had Mora coach the team - no one man had that much decision making power...

When Mr. Finks passed, Mora had full reign and when he got the players he wanted, he smoked the team like a dive-bombing Japanese Zero in flames into the ocean with his personnel moves...

This is the price of failing to recognize and learn from your history.

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I just dont understand why you give up a 1st rounder for a player youll be paying north of 12ml when you could have gone after Gilmour,Bouye for no loss and similar money. Or even now with Jason McCourty on the open market. You know the Pats sign him and make him a pro bowler and make out like bandits

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No we would not, we would pick some uknown out of the Canadian semi-pro league. You're such a negativity nancy

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I don't know how this side of it works, but is it possible that this becomes a draft day trade where the Saints wait until pick 32 and only trade for Butler if they feel there's no one better on the board?

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It's the contract.

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Agreed on all points J.

Chandler Jones played well out in Arizona, Richard Seymour played extremely well in Oakland. Underhill wrote a piece (can't locate the article at the moment) breaking down Butler. He pretty much convinced me that Malcolm can be very good anywhere.

I'd love to have him.

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honestly lee missed your post my prop to u brother:jester:

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i will trust my fellow who dats on the evaluation on butler , i never really followed the jazz on him after the pick in the superbowl. when he made the play was'nt he a back-up at that time then got thrust in the mix after that . looking at 6 picks in the nfl total? i know hes young and bellicheck wants to dump him to us, why. jus wonderin

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One play wonder? He did make the pro bowl prior to that. Maybe he breaks up a ton of plays.0

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No I get it. They could have signed him for the sole reason of trading. him at the time. Teams do it all the time jackass. They could have hashed it out before FA even began.

Also, the analysts were saying Sherman could cost less, like a second . Yes he's older but he would def be shut down for a couple of years. If we are in win now mode I say go that route.

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QBs throwing directly at Malcolm Butler went 44-84 for 52.4%, 655 yards, 4 TD, 4 INT, 7.8 YPA, 74.3 passer rating


From a Pats fan
Actually Butler was on Brandon Marshall for quite a bit of the first game this season, as well as Quincy Enunwa and it was by far his worst game this season--only game over 100 yards given up and 2 touchdowns, one each to Marshall and Enunwa. Which lends some credence to his struggles with larger receivers.

If that game is taken out he allowed (7 receptions / 119yards 2 TDs) opponent passer rating drops to 58.

He did redeem himself in the second Jets game with no catches allowed, 2 INTs and fumble recovery. While he moved around, he was on Marshall a bit





Problem is the NFC South is full of Giant receivers. So Breaux will be following Jones,Benjamin amd Evans around while Butler follows Gabriel and Jacksonhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...aab9766b36.jpg

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I don't know that it would hurt to have a lucky player on our side...

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No, you still don't get it. The Patriots had no say in the matter. They had a tender on Butler. Butler had not signed the tender, so he wasn't under contract. The Patriots couldn't just "sign him for the sole reason of trading him at the time." The Patriots couldn't do squat until Butler decided to sign the tender, which he just did weeks later.

:bang:

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We should get Butler and if so won't draft a CB 1st but the best available probably round 2 pick. DE and future QB picks 11 and 32.

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The fact that he signed the tender yesterday might signal that he is getting moved very soon. No one believes he is going to play for $4 million, but at least the chicken-little-theorists who thought we'd lose the number 11 can relax 8-)

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Possibly or he realises he has no leverage and the Pats can hold him this year and next if they wanted to for about$8ml a year year with this year's 4 and next a franchise tag

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However, there are no future QBs in this year's draft...

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Teams sign players at contract numbers players agree to. It gets worked out between the three parties. Team A wants a player and is willing to assume X amount of dollars in the contract. All parties agree and team B signs player at that amount then trades him. Could have been worked out as soon as it was allowed.

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The Patriots tendered Butler; nothing could be done until Butler himself was ready to sign the tender. :rolleyes:

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He signed his tender and now I'm sure there are talks. Maybe a draft day trade at 32 or 42 if the right guy is there for the pats. If they get our 32 I could see them sending back a rd 5 or 6 with butler. No matter what they say the pats don't want 30 million tied up in cbs.

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I should give up. Dude simply doesn't get it.

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You can't even negotiate concerning a player not under contract. You can't do a three party deal when the main party cannot be discussed at all. It wouldn't "work out" because it isn't allowed under NFL rules. Not only would the NFL Office deny the transaction, but both franchises would be fined (at minimum) for breaking the rules. More likely both franchises would lose draft picks.

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Yet this has been discussed openly in the media for months. I said as soon as it was allowed . Waa waa waa I'm asylum guido and I know everything

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Good news is he now signed the tender. Lets get the ball rolling and snag this good CB.

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It was speculated upon by media hacks like Ian Rapoport. It was NEVER discussed openly anywhere. But, your whole original premise was that Butler should have been part of the Cooks deal, remember? It was pointed out to you that it wasn't possible. Now do you get it? You then waffled and said as soon as it was allowed, which was yesterday. You can't have it both ways.