Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday!

ScottF · 03-14-2017, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That means we give up our #11, automatically.

it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post.
We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal.
Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario

burningmetal · 03-15-2017, 02:01 AM

Scott F

"it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post.
We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal.
Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario"

Once again, what makes you think the Patriots are going to trade him on OUR terms? What I'm talking about is if the Saints sign him to an offer sheet, and the Patriots don't match. That would, in fact, mean that they automatically lose their 11th pick. You're saying you think he'll be traded. Fine. That's your opinion, and perhaps you're right, which is something I already said to Lee about his post.

But IF the Pats trade him to us, what makes anyone believe we'll get the better end of that deal? They will at the very least ask for the #32 pick, and possibly a late round pick thrown in, after seeing how the Cooks trade went down.

The worst thing, in my opinion, is that we don't need Butler. And I don't believe he is what the Saints think he is. And before someone comes in and says the ole one liner of "the Saints know better than you do", I'll remind them of Brandon Browner, Jason David, Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Patrick Robinson, to name a few. They are not immune to badly misjudging cornerbacks.

If they get him, I won't be real excited, but I'll obviously be wishing him the best.

ScottF · 03-15-2017, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Scott F

"it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post.
We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal.
Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario"

Once again, what makes you think the Patriots are going to trade him on OUR terms? What I'm talking about is if the Saints sign him to an offer sheet, and the Patriots don't match. That would, in fact, mean that they automatically lose their 11th pick. You're saying you think he'll be traded. Fine. That's your opinion, and perhaps you're right, which is something I already said to Lee about his post.

But IF the Pats trade him to us, what makes anyone believe we'll get the better end of that deal? They will at the very least ask for the #32 pick, and possibly a late round pick thrown in, after seeing how the Cooks trade went down.

The worst thing, in my opinion, is that we don't need Butler. And I don't believe he is what the Saints think he is. And before someone comes in and says the ole one liner of "the Saints know better than you do", I'll remind them of Brandon Browner, Jason David, Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Patrick Robinson, to name a few. They are not immune to badly misjudging cornerbacks.

If they get him, I won't be real excited, but I'll obviously be wishing him the best.

I of course have no way of knowing if #32 is in play. That would basically be a Cooks for Butler trade, plus we move up 11 spots with the 4th for 3rd swap. I do know that Loomis/SP aren't giving up the 11, because they would have already signed the offer sheet if that was the case.

The Texans have offered the 57 pick, but won't give up the 25 pick. I would prefer we part with pick 43, but it might come down to the 32 and maybe getting a 7th back.

Here's a good article on his contract "demands":
New England Patriots RFA Malcolm Butler to meet with New Orleans Saints
Butler's agent, Derek Simpson, said last week that reports of Butler asking for "the moon" in his next contract were "completely false" as the "Patriots haven't approached Malcolm about his contract since last year

Texans:
http://www.battleredblog.com/2017/3/...malcolm-butler

spkb25 · 03-15-2017, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post.
We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal.
Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario

That's my guess to Scott. We will probably give 32 or a second. My guess would be say exactly what you said- we work a deal, he signs his tender, e trade for him. I thought he turned down 14m per year from NE... IDK how much he is worth but he is getting near Drew numbers

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

That's my guess to Scott. We will probably give 32 or a second. My guess would be say exactly what you said- we work a deal, he signs his tender, e trade for him. I thought he turned down 14m per year from NE... IDK how much he is worth but he is getting near Drew numbers

No. That was once again "fake news".

Seriously, it was nothing but, once again, speculation by media hacks with no clue that quickly becomes accept as fact by the gullible public.

spkb25 · 03-15-2017, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. That was once again "fake news". Seriously, it was nothing but, once again, speculation by media hacks with no clue that quickly becomes accept as fact by the gullible public.

i hope that is true because we shouldn't pay that

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

i hope that is true because we shouldn't pay that

He agent came out and said they have even spoken to the Patriots since the season ended and claims of demand were totally false.

03-15-2017, 02:01 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Scott F "it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post. We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal. Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario" Once again, what makes you think the Patriots are going to trade him on OUR terms? What I'm talking about is if the Saints sign him to an offer sheet, and the Patriots don't match. That would, in fact, mean that they automatically lose their 11th pick. You're saying you think he'll be traded. Fine. That's your opinion, and perhaps you're right, which is something I already said to Lee about his post. But IF the Pats trade him to us, what makes anyone believe we'll get the better end of that deal? They will at the very least ask for the #32 pick, and possibly a late round pick thrown in, after seeing how the Cooks trade went down. The worst thing, in my opinion, is that we don't need Butler. And I don't believe he is what the Saints think he is. And before someone comes in and says the ole one liner of "the Saints know better than you do", I'll remind them of Brandon Browner, Jason David, Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Patrick Robinson, to name a few. They are not immune to badly misjudging cornerbacks. If they get him, I won't be real excited, but I'll obviously be wishing him the best. nola_swammi likes this.
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03-15-2017, 06:52 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by ScottF it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post. We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal. Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario That's my guess to Scott. We will probably give 32 or a second. My guess would be say exactly what you said- we work a deal, he signs his tender, e trade for him. I thought he turned down 14m per year from NE... IDK how much he is worth but he is getting near Drew numbers

03-15-2017, 08:13 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by spkb25 That's my guess to Scott. We will probably give 32 or a second. My guess would be say exactly what you said- we work a deal, he signs his tender, e trade for him. I thought he turned down 14m per year from NE... IDK how much he is worth but he is getting near Drew numbers No. That was once again "fake news". Seriously, it was nothing but, once again, speculation by media hacks with no clue that quickly becomes accept as fact by the gullible public.

03-15-2017, 10:29 AM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. That was once again "fake news". Seriously, it was nothing but, once again, speculation by media hacks with no clue that quickly becomes accept as fact by the gullible public. i hope that is true because we shouldn't pay that

03-15-2017, 11:04 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by spkb25 i hope that is true because we shouldn't pay that He agent came out and said they have even spoken to the Patriots since the season ended and claims of demand were totally false.

03-14-2017, 05:57 PM	#1
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by burningmetal That means we give up our #11, automatically. it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post. We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal. Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario AsylumGuido and ChrisXVI like this.

03-15-2017, 06:34 AM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by burningmetal Scott F "it doesn't, because that's not how it works. Look at Lee's post. We get a deal with him in principle, and then call NE and work the trade (That second part is probably already done). He signs the 3.9 tender with them, gets traded to us, and then signs his new deal. Zero percent chance we are giving up #11 for him in any scenario" Once again, what makes you think the Patriots are going to trade him on OUR terms? What I'm talking about is if the Saints sign him to an offer sheet, and the Patriots don't match. That would, in fact, mean that they automatically lose their 11th pick. You're saying you think he'll be traded. Fine. That's your opinion, and perhaps you're right, which is something I already said to Lee about his post. But IF the Pats trade him to us, what makes anyone believe we'll get the better end of that deal? They will at the very least ask for the #32 pick, and possibly a late round pick thrown in, after seeing how the Cooks trade went down. The worst thing, in my opinion, is that we don't need Butler. And I don't believe he is what the Saints think he is. And before someone comes in and says the ole one liner of "the Saints know better than you do", I'll remind them of Brandon Browner, Jason David, Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Patrick Robinson, to name a few. They are not immune to badly misjudging cornerbacks. If they get him, I won't be real excited, but I'll obviously be wishing him the best. I of course have no way of knowing if #32 is in play. That would basically be a Cooks for Butler trade, plus we move up 11 spots with the 4th for 3rd swap. I do know that Loomis/SP aren't giving up the 11, because they would have already signed the offer sheet if that was the case. The Texans have offered the 57 pick, but won't give up the 25 pick. I would prefer we part with pick 43, but it might come down to the 32 and maybe getting a 7th back. Here's a good article on his contract "demands": New England Patriots RFA Malcolm Butler to meet with New Orleans Saints Butler's agent, Derek Simpson, said last week that reports of Butler asking for "the moon" in his next contract were "completely false" as the "Patriots haven't approached Malcolm about his contract since last year Texans: http://www.battleredblog.com/2017/3/...malcolm-butler AsylumGuido and Saint in Aus like this.

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