Interesting stats on Mark Ingram

The Dude · 05-14-2017, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

It's about expectation vs reality. You can pull out all the stats you want, facts don't tell the whole story of how perceptions are formed.

And it's about perception.

My perception is that he doesn't have the best vision, he misses holes so big that you could drive an 18 wheeler through them. Secondly, apart from some long runs, he's not consistently making those yards after contact in the way PT23 could. You're supposed to take the extremes into account when dealing with averages.

If he were that great on 3rd down, why isn't he THE guy SP goes to in must-get short yardage situations? Usually it's Brees throwing from the shotgun, cause Ingram's burned him too many times.

He's lucky he's actually begin to perform, a lot of players don't get 3 year cushions to get up to speed.

There are worse, but certainly he's not lived up to his *potential*

The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one.

He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee.

WhoDat!656 · 05-14-2017, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one, (and they usually stink)!

He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee.

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foreverfan · 05-14-2017, 10:17 AM

Rugby Saint II · 05-14-2017, 11:55 AM

He has lived up to his potential. It just took a long time. The first year or two it was the turf toe that held him back. After that he dedicated himself to his craft and has become a complete back.

It is not his fault that we haven't had a good O-line in several years. It's not his fault that Sean Payton likes the running back by committee approach. It's not his fault Sean Payton gave up two draft picks to get him.

He picks up blocks really well and catches out of the back field just as well as 90% of NFL running backs if not better.

We will see the best from Mark Ingram this year between his motivation from AP and the improved O-line along with a battered and fatigued defense after four quarters that should allow longer runs.

Edit: 5.1 yards per carry ain't half bad either............just sayin'

rezburna · 05-14-2017, 12:33 PM

When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here.

AsylumGuido · 05-14-2017, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here.

You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

rezburna · 05-14-2017, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

I agree with that as well.

SmashMouth · 05-14-2017, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

Same line for both, yet differing results when they played together. No doubt he has improved; he should have. The longer he is with the team and continues up the total-yards-for-a-Saints-RB ladder, the more he justifies the two high draft picks used to get him, not that, IMHO, there is ever a justification for any player to use two draft picks to get, except maybe a guy like Jerry Rice or what not.

WillSaints81 · 05-14-2017, 02:58 PM

Until Ingram shows he can be the alternative to the passing game, I will stick with my view of him. I wanted Ingram in the 11 Draft and was surprised he fell to us. But in games Brees has struggled in, he hasn't played well.

jnormand · 05-14-2017, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Until Ingram shows he can be the alternative to the passing game, I will stick with my view of him. I wanted Ingram in the 11 Draft and was surprised he fell to us. But in games Brees has struggled in, he hasn't played well.

Tell me a game when Brees hasn't played well that MI had a chance to play well in. If Brees throws pics and has a bad game, we are losing and Payton doesn't run the ball very often.

If you're expecting him to rattle off 20 yard gains with limited touches then you're crazy man.

Secondly, you want him to show you he's a "good alternative to the passing game?". How the hell is he going to do that in a system that typically passes first and runs second?

Have you lost your mind?

And last season and the season before he showed he's very effective and a quality back AT THE VERY LEAST.

05-14-2017, 03:19 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie It's about expectation vs reality. You can pull out all the stats you want, facts don't tell the whole story of how perceptions are formed. And it's about perception. My perception is that he doesn't have the best vision, he misses holes so big that you could drive an 18 wheeler through them. Secondly, apart from some long runs, he's not consistently making those yards after contact in the way PT23 could. You're supposed to take the extremes into account when dealing with averages. If he were that great on 3rd down, why isn't he THE guy SP goes to in must-get short yardage situations? Usually it's Brees throwing from the shotgun, cause Ingram's burned him too many times. He's lucky he's actually begin to perform, a lot of players don't get 3 year cushions to get up to speed. There are worse, but certainly he's not lived up to his potential The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one. He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee. jnormand likes this.
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05-14-2017, 03:29 PM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by The Dude The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one, (and they usually stink)! He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee. I fixed it for ya! The Dude likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram He has lived up to his potential. It just took a long time. The first year or two it was the turf toe that held him back. After that he dedicated himself to his craft and has become a complete back. It is not his fault that we haven't had a good O-line in several years. It's not his fault that Sean Payton likes the running back by committee approach. It's not his fault Sean Payton gave up two draft picks to get him. He picks up blocks really well and catches out of the back field just as well as 90% of NFL running backs if not better. We will see the best from Mark Ingram this year between his motivation from AP and the improved O-line along with a battered and fatigued defense after four quarters that should allow longer runs. Edit: 5.1 yards per carry ain't half bad either............just sayin' jnormand and dizzle88 like this.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here. MatthewT, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by rezburna When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here. You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game. I agree with that as well.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game. Same line for both, yet differing results when they played together. No doubt he has improved; he should have. The longer he is with the team and continues up the total-yards-for-a-Saints-RB ladder, the more he justifies the two high draft picks used to get him, not that, IMHO, there is ever a justification for any player to use two draft picks to get, except maybe a guy like Jerry Rice or what not.

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Until Ingram shows he can be the alternative to the passing game, I will stick with my view of him. I wanted Ingram in the 11 Draft and was surprised he fell to us. But in games Brees has struggled in, he hasn't played well.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,736	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Until Ingram shows he can be the alternative to the passing game, I will stick with my view of him. I wanted Ingram in the 11 Draft and was surprised he fell to us. But in games Brees has struggled in, he hasn't played well. Tell me a game when Brees hasn't played well that MI had a chance to play well in. If Brees throws pics and has a bad game, we are losing and Payton doesn't run the ball very often. If you're expecting him to rattle off 20 yard gains with limited touches then you're crazy man. Secondly, you want him to show you he's a "good alternative to the passing game?". How the hell is he going to do that in a system that typically passes first and runs second? Have you lost your mind? And last season and the season before he showed he's very effective and a quality back AT THE VERY LEAST. dizzle88 likes this.

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