Interesting stats on Mark Ingram

WillSaints81 · 05-16-2017, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Tell me a game when Brees hasn't played well that MI had a chance to play well in. If Brees throws pics and has a bad game, we are losing and Payton doesn't run the ball very often.

If you're expecting him to rattle off 20 yard gains with limited touches then you're crazy man.

Secondly, you want him to show you he's a "good alternative to the passing game?". How the hell is he going to do that in a system that typically passes first and runs second?

Have you lost your mind?

And last season and the season before he showed he's very effective and a quality back AT THE VERY LEAST.

There are teams that run the ball playing from behind. We did it against Carolina and Atlanta behind last year. First off going down 10-0 is no reason to start throwing. That's why we put ourselves in the holes we do. But in the game against the lions, Ingram fell down in the redzone. So in other words if Brees struggles, the whole offense has to suck? Brees was literally ineffective that entire game, and Ingram did not help at all. The game against the giants, where was Ingram in that low scoring game? Or how about the fumbling at KC? The fumbling against Seattle? What did he do against Carolina when Brees was having a hard time? At TB week 14? All of those games were early on within reach where there was plenty of time to run the ball. Ingram attempted runs and he was terrible with them in THOSE games.

We can have our opinion of him and we get attacked for it? Why? because we're attacking the saints apparently? Ingram just hasn't done what PT and Deuce have done. We will see what he's all about week 1 at Minnesota?

Danno · 05-14-2017, 03:31 PM

Suck it Ingram bashers. Suck it!

WillMacKenzie · 05-14-2017, 04:09 PM

It's all confirmation bias. All of it. Some guy writes a propaganda piece that should've included a disclaimer that reads, "this ad brought to you by Mark Ingram"

Ingram's hesitation and plowing into the backs of 300 lb linemen drive me nuts. If he would run for daylight like his hair was on fire, he'd get my complete unconditional love. I really want to like him, but he does depend on absolutely perfect blocking and execution to succeed.

I remember him slowing down to run into tiny little Brandon Cooks downfield once, 5 yards away from the end zone, instead of just running towards the corner of the end zone for a TD...

AsylumGuido · 05-14-2017, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

It's all confirmation bias. All of it. Some guy writes a propaganda piece that should've included a disclaimer that reads, "this ad brought to you by Mark Ingram"

Ingram's hesitation and plowing into the backs of 300 lb linemen drive me nuts. If he would run for daylight like his hair was on fire, he'd get my complete unconditional love. I really want to like him, but he does depend on absolutely perfect blocking and execution to succeed.

I remember him slowing down to run into tiny little Brandon Cooks downfield once, 5 yards away from the end zone, instead of just running towards the corner of the end zone for a TD...

Sorry. I hope you recover some day.

K Major · 05-14-2017, 07:35 PM

jnormand · 05-14-2017, 09:30 PM

Don't get me started on the MI haters. It's so ridiculous.

ChrisXVI · 05-14-2017, 09:40 PM

I think maybe some of the problem is that he's had to follow in the footsteps of absolute Saints legends. No words are necessary to describe what Deuce, Reggie or Pierre mean to the franchise. Circumstances have been different with Mark in terms of our team now being on the decline.

jeanpierre · 05-14-2017, 10:17 PM

When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity

)

There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used...

There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package...

Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks...

Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why?

First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe...

Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones...

Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs...

Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram...

Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB?

Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions...

Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options...

Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense...

...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option...

I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested...

SmashMouth · 05-15-2017, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity )

There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used...

There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package...

Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks...

Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why?

First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe...

Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones...

Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs...

Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram...

Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB?

Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions...

Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options...

Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense...

...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option...

I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested...

Jeanpierre, are you saying Bama players are all slow learners?

The Dude · 05-16-2017, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity )

There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used...

There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package...

Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks...

Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why?

First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe...

Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones...

Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs...

Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram...

Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB?

Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions...

Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options...

Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense...

...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option...

I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested...

The past is over and done with. That draft is long since over. I think you have to put any aspects of how he was drafted aside when you are judging a players stats. He can't help how or where he was drafted, the point is I think he's a very good back in this league and the stats mentioned in the article show that.

05-16-2017, 08:05 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by jnormand Tell me a game when Brees hasn't played well that MI had a chance to play well in. If Brees throws pics and has a bad game, we are losing and Payton doesn't run the ball very often. If you're expecting him to rattle off 20 yard gains with limited touches then you're crazy man. Secondly, you want him to show you he's a "good alternative to the passing game?". How the hell is he going to do that in a system that typically passes first and runs second? Have you lost your mind? And last season and the season before he showed he's very effective and a quality back AT THE VERY LEAST. There are teams that run the ball playing from behind. We did it against Carolina and Atlanta behind last year. First off going down 10-0 is no reason to start throwing. That's why we put ourselves in the holes we do. But in the game against the lions, Ingram fell down in the redzone. So in other words if Brees struggles, the whole offense has to suck? Brees was literally ineffective that entire game, and Ingram did not help at all. The game against the giants, where was Ingram in that low scoring game? Or how about the fumbling at KC? The fumbling against Seattle? What did he do against Carolina when Brees was having a hard time? At TB week 14? All of those games were early on within reach where there was plenty of time to run the ball. Ingram attempted runs and he was terrible with them in THOSE games. We can have our opinion of him and we get attacked for it? Why? because we're attacking the saints apparently? Ingram just hasn't done what PT and Deuce have done. We will see what he's all about week 1 at Minnesota?

05-14-2017, 03:31 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Suck it Ingram bashers. Suck it! Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-14-2017, 04:09 PM	#3
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram It's all confirmation bias. All of it. Some guy writes a propaganda piece that should've included a disclaimer that reads, "this ad brought to you by Mark Ingram" Ingram's hesitation and plowing into the backs of 300 lb linemen drive me nuts. If he would run for daylight like his hair was on fire, he'd get my complete unconditional love. I really want to like him, but he does depend on absolutely perfect blocking and execution to succeed. I remember him slowing down to run into tiny little Brandon Cooks downfield once, 5 yards away from the end zone, instead of just running towards the corner of the end zone for a TD...

05-14-2017, 04:39 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,766	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie It's all confirmation bias. All of it. Some guy writes a propaganda piece that should've included a disclaimer that reads, "this ad brought to you by Mark Ingram" Ingram's hesitation and plowing into the backs of 300 lb linemen drive me nuts. If he would run for daylight like his hair was on fire, he'd get my complete unconditional love. I really want to like him, but he does depend on absolutely perfect blocking and execution to succeed. I remember him slowing down to run into tiny little Brandon Cooks downfield once, 5 yards away from the end zone, instead of just running towards the corner of the end zone for a TD... Sorry. I hope you recover some day.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Don't get me started on the MI haters. It's so ridiculous.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram I think maybe some of the problem is that he's had to follow in the footsteps of absolute Saints legends. No words are necessary to describe what Deuce, Reggie or Pierre mean to the franchise. Circumstances have been different with Mark in terms of our team now being on the decline.

05-14-2017, 10:17 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity ) There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used... There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package... Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks... Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why? First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe... Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones... Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs... Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram... Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB? Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions... Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options... Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense... ...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option... I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested... SmashMouth likes this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by jeanpierre When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity ) There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used... There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package... Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks... Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why? First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe... Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones... Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs... Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram... Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB? Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions... Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options... Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense... ...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option... I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested... Jeanpierre, are you saying Bama players are all slow learners?

05-16-2017, 09:04 PM	#10
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by jeanpierre When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity ) There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used... There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package... Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks... Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why? First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe... Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones... Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs... Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram... Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB? Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions... Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options... Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense... ...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option... I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested... The past is over and done with. That draft is long since over. I think you have to put any aspects of how he was drafted aside when you are judging a players stats. He can't help how or where he was drafted, the point is I think he's a very good back in this league and the stats mentioned in the article show that. ChrisXVI likes this.
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