2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints

papz · 03-29-2018, 09:47 AM

I find Jackson to be vastly underrated compared to the quarterbacks that are projected to go before him.

SmashMouth · 03-29-2018, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yep. This is a trait that makes #9 great at the elite level. From what I'm reading, Jackson is a very coachable kid who wants to get better in terms of accuracy. FWIW, I heard Mike Detellier say that if Lamar is on the board @ 27, there is a good possibility the Saints will take him.

Can't wait for the draft.

Originally Posted by rezburna

He doesn’t have that kind of pin point accuracy. That **** Brees does is special. But...all that moving around in the pocket is going to have defenders at a stand still and that will get people wide open.

Originally Posted by papz

I find Jackson to be vastly underrated compared to the quarterbacks that are projected to go before him.

That's what makes him interesting should the Saints grab him at 27. He runs like a deer, but would he resort to those instincts in the NFL? What's his release times compared to Brees?

ChrisXVI · 03-29-2018, 11:50 AM

Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU | Draft Analyst

Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans.

Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty.

Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout.

Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism.

Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans.

K Major · 03-29-2018, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU | Draft Analyst

I sure hope the Saints get to know Courtland Sutton (SMU) in one on one's. If he went to UT, he'd probably get a lot more hype. He's comparable to Michael Thomas with measurables & has really good hands. Kind of reminds me of a power forward in basketball. I see a lot of Alshon Jeffery/Dez in his game. Uses his frame to shield defenders. Strong guy.

Keep a lazy eye on him.

ChrisXVI · 03-29-2018, 12:32 PM

Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day.

SmashMouth · 03-29-2018, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day.

Lamar Jackson prefers game speed to the 40-yard dash – ProFootballTalk

He has no agent... is that good for us?

ChrisXVI · 03-29-2018, 01:03 PM

Jeff Ireland and Dennis Allen are at UCF’s Pro Day.

Edit: LB Shaquem Griffin met with Sean Payton last night per Josina Anderson.

papz · 03-29-2018, 03:30 PM

Weird how Jackson skips the 40 twice. He's obviously runs well and a excellent 40 time only cements or improves his draft stock. It kind of makes you wonder if he has a draft promise already from some team.

jeanpierre · 03-29-2018, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU | Draft Analyst

Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans.

Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty.

Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout.

Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism.

Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans.

Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU...

In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave...

More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season...

So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January...

That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous...

Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out...

Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent...

Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates...

That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions...

Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia...

In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect...

When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong...

How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust...

Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something...

Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round...

With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high...

jeanpierre · 03-29-2018, 03:55 PM

On Jackson, just don't see a running, scrambling quarterback lasting that long in this league as they do not win consistently...

Great for the post-game highlights, but it's the timing, rhythm offenses with great defenses that win consistently...

03-29-2018, 09:47 AM	#581
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints I find Jackson to be vastly underrated compared to the quarterbacks that are projected to go before him. rezburna likes this.

03-29-2018, 10:15 AM	#582
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,203 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major Yep. This is a trait that makes #9 great at the elite level. From what I'm reading, Jackson is a very coachable kid who wants to get better in terms of accuracy. FWIW, I heard Mike Detellier say that if Lamar is on the board @ 27, there is a good possibility the Saints will take him. Can't wait for the draft. Originally Posted by rezburna He doesn’t have that kind of pin point accuracy. That ** Brees does is special. But...all that moving around in the pocket is going to have defenders at a stand still and that will get people wide open. Originally Posted by papz** I find Jackson to be vastly underrated compared to the quarterbacks that are projected to go before him. That's what makes him interesting should the Saints grab him at 27. He runs like a deer, but would he resort to those instincts in the NFL? What's his release times compared to Brees?

03-29-2018, 11:50 AM	#583
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU \| Draft Analyst Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans. Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty. Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout. Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism. Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans. Sarik and K Major like this.
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03-29-2018, 12:21 PM	#584
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU \| Draft Analyst I sure hope the Saints get to know Courtland Sutton (SMU) in one on one's. If he went to UT, he'd probably get a lot more hype. He's comparable to Michael Thomas with measurables & has really good hands. Kind of reminds me of a power forward in basketball. I see a lot of Alshon Jeffery/Dez in his game. Uses his frame to shield defenders. Strong guy. Keep a lazy eye on him. ChrisXVI likes this.

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03-29-2018, 12:44 PM	#586
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,203 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day. Lamar Jackson prefers game speed to the 40-yard dash – ProFootballTalk He has no agent... is that good for us?

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Jeff Ireland and Dennis Allen are at UCF’s Pro Day. Edit: LB Shaquem Griffin met with Sean Payton last night per Josina Anderson.

03-29-2018, 03:30 PM	#588
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Weird how Jackson skips the 40 twice. He's obviously runs well and a excellent 40 time only cements or improves his draft stock. It kind of makes you wonder if he has a draft promise already from some team. Sarik likes this.

03-29-2018, 03:50 PM	#589
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU \| Draft Analyst Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans. Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty. Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout. Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism. Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans. Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU... In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave... More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season... So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January... That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous... Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out... Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent... Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates... That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions... Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia... In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect... When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong... How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust... Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something... Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round... With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high... ChrisXVI and Sarik like this.
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03-29-2018, 03:55 PM	#590
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints On Jackson, just don't see a running, scrambling quarterback lasting that long in this league as they do not win consistently... Great for the post-game highlights, but it's the timing, rhythm offenses with great defenses that win consistently...

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