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2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Potentially; Okafor not being available and Davenport not being ready. If true that would make Trey the day 1 starter IMO. I don't see much potential at all for that happening. I'm expecting Davenport to be ...
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05-31-2018, 07:16 AM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976
I don't see much potential at all for that happening. I'm expecting Davenport to be so dynamic that they can't keep him off the field.
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2018 New Orleans Saints – OTAs 29-31 May
OFFENSE QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2018), 7 - Taysom Hill, 12 - Tom Savage (FA 2018), 5 - J.T. Barrett (UDFA) FB (1) 42 - Zach Line (FA 2018), 35 - Ryan Yurachek (UDFA) RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram *[SUSPENDED], 41 - Alvin Kamara, 32 - Jonathan Williams, 33 - Trey Edmunds, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 30 - Boston Scott (R6, #201) WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn, 16 - Brandon Coleman (RFA), 10 - Tra'Quan Smith (R3, #91), 11 - Tommylee Lewis, 14 - Travin Dural (RFC), 15 - Josh Huff (RFC), 17 - Paul Turner (RFC), 18 - Keith Kirkwood (UDFA)SR (2) 81 - Cameron Meredith (RFA 2018), 80 - Austin Carr, 85 - Dan Arnold, 86 - Eldridge Massington (UDFA) LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 74 - Jermon Bushrod (FA 2018), 69 - Nate Wozniak (UDFA) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Josh LeRibeus (FA 2018), 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner (RFC) C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 63 - Cameron Tom, 64 - Will Clapp (R7, #245) RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 66 – Andrew Tiller (RFC), 61 - Cory Helms (UDFA) RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Rick Leonard (R4, #127), 65 - Michael Ola (FA -2018) TE (3) 82 - Ben Watson (FA 2018), 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 83 - Deon Yelder (UDFA), 45 - Garrett Griffin DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 90 - George Johnson (FA 2018), 70 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 68 – Devaroe Lawrence, 62 - Henry Mondeaux (UDFA) NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley (FA 2018), 96 - Woodrow Hamilton, 76 - Taylor Stallworth (UDFA) DE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport (R1, #14), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, 57 - Alex Okafor (FA 2018), 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 55 – Jayrone Elliot (RFC) MLB (3) 56 - DeMario Davis (FA 2018), 51 - Manti Te'o, 58 - Colton Jumper (UDFA) WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 59 - KeShun Freeman (UDFA) LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - Patrick Robinson (FA 2018), 26 - P.J. Williams, 25 – De’Vante Harris SS (2) 29 - Kurt Coleman (FA 2018), 24 - Vonn Bell, 31 - Chris Banjo, 48 - J.T. Gray (UDFA) FS (3) 43 - Marcus Williams, 27 - Natrell Jamerson (R5, #164), 28 - Mykkele Thompson (RFC), 40 - Linden Stephens (UDFA) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee, 37 - Arthur Maulet, 39 - Kamrin Moore (R6, #189) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (FA 2018) Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3 *Note: 22 RB Mark Ingram has a pending suspension of four games to begin the 2018 NFL Season[/I] **Note: 69 DE Alex Jenkins (NFL IPPP) roster spot is exempt in the team total players per NFL Int'l Player Pathway Program KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent Signed (FA 2018) Free Agent Reserve/Futures Contract (FC) Rookie Injured |
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05-31-2018, 07:39 AM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
It is what it is - Payton over-reached in the draft, again, unnecessarily - enabled by a yes man for a general manager...
No local writers will question Payton's moves for fear of being sent out by Greg Bensel... It'll play out in the Fall and we'll find out what two first round picks will be justified... In the meantime, on this issue, I'll make my stand and will continue to voice my displeasure with this stupid move... Really like our team, but I'm not gonna hold hands and sing kumbaya when a move is wrong or stupid, I'm gonna call the bad with the good... |
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05-31-2018, 08:59 AM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Sure there is. As much as we believe in his potential it is realistic to assume Davenport may not be ready for NFL starter level competition by week 1. But Training camp and preseason have a way of revealing it so we’ll see how it unfolds. I’m pulling for him as well.
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05-31-2018, 09:14 AM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by K Major
Should Taysom Hill win the deuce out-right, we're likely keeping two quarterbacks - that could allow for five (5) RBs counting a FB...
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05-31-2018, 09:21 AM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
In YOUR opinion the front office over-reached on Davenport. But how can you even say "unnecessarily"? If they had decided as a team that Davenport was who they wanted to come away with at the top of the draft how do you propose they could have accomplished this in some other manner? It was absolutely necessary to trade up to grab him. He was most likely NOT going to be there at #27. I have no doubt whatsoever that they approached several teams with several offers to be able to make the "necessary" move. When it came down to it the ONLY move possible HAD to include the first from next year.
Now I can somehow see how you would have been bent out of shape if that 2019 first was expected to be near the top of the draft, but they had to have been very confident that it would, in fact, be very near the bottom. Have you considered that you may value draft picks more valuable than do others in the game? You must admit that the draft is a special time for you. Is there the tiniest bit of resentment that you will not be able to factor in a first rounder in your research for next off-season? Just stop and think about that for a second and be totally honest.  If Davenport is the piece needed to solidify and make the defensive line a force to be reckoned with then ANY price paid is worth it. Once again, I bring up the old wise saying that a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. It fits this situation perfectly. Few people can argue that another quality edge rusher was the most important need coming into this season. There was not one available at the right price in free agency. Many would argue that there were only two elite ones available in the entire draft. There is no guarantee that the 27th pick this season and the ??? pick next season wouldn't turn out to be underachievers, if not total busts. Right? |
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05-31-2018, 09:22 AM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
I'll never piss on a guys parade but Taysom needs to really show well at camp. Out running defenders was nice at BYU but the NFL is a totally different animal.
First question I have for Hill is if he can consistently throw accurate passes (see Garrett Grayson) in the pocket? How is his throwing mechanics? Running QB's always scare me. Training camp awaits  .
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05-31-2018, 09:26 AM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976
I could see your point at almost any other position, but edge rushers have one main job and that is to get to the QB. Raw physical ability can trump technique at this position. I would be shocked if Davenport wasn't a major part of the defensive front come week one, if not much, much sooner. Totally shocked.
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05-31-2018, 01:56 PM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Sharrod Neasman in, Mykelle Thompson out...
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2018 New Orleans Saints – OTAs 29-31 May OFFENSE QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2018), 7 - Taysom Hill, 12 - Tom Savage (FA 2018), 5 - J.T. Barrett (UDFA) FB (1) 42 - Zach Line (FA 2018), 35 - Ryan Yurachek (UDFA) RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram *[SUSPENDED], 41 - Alvin Kamara, 32 - Jonathan Williams, 33 - Trey Edmunds, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 30 - Boston Scott (R6, #201) WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn, 16 - Brandon Coleman (RFA), 10 - Tra'Quan Smith (R3, #91), 11 - Tommylee Lewis, 14 - Travin Dural (RFC), 15 - Josh Huff (RFC), 17 - Paul Turner (RFC), 18 - Keith Kirkwood (UDFA)SR (2) 81 - Cameron Meredith (RFA 2018), 80 - Austin Carr, 85 - Dan Arnold, 86 - Eldridge Massington (UDFA) LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 74 - Jermon Bushrod (FA 2018), 69 - Nate Wozniak (UDFA) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Josh LeRibeus (FA 2018), 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner (RFC) C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 63 - Cameron Tom, 64 - Will Clapp (R7, #245) RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 66 – Andrew Tiller (RFC), 61 - Cory Helms (UDFA) RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Rick Leonard (R4, #127), 65 - Michael Ola (FA -2018) TE (3) 82 - Ben Watson (FA 2018), 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 83 - Deon Yelder (UDFA), 45 - Garrett Griffin DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 90 - George Johnson (FA 2018), 70 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 68 – Devaroe Lawrence, 62 - Henry Mondeaux (UDFA) NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley (FA 2018), 96 - Woodrow Hamilton, 76 - Taylor Stallworth (UDFA) DE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport (R1, #14), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, 57 - Alex Okafor (FA 2018), 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 55 – Jayrone Elliot (RFC) MLB (3) 56 - DeMario Davis (FA 2018), 51 - Manti Te'o, 58 - Colton Jumper (UDFA) WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 59 - KeShun Freeman (UDFA) LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - Patrick Robinson (FA 2018), 26 - P.J. Williams, 25 – De’Vante Harris SS (2) 29 - Kurt Coleman (FA 2018), 24 - Vonn Bell, 31 - Chris Banjo, 48 - J.T. Gray (UDFA) FS (3) 43 - Marcus Williams, 27 - Natrell Jamerson (R5, #164), ?? - Sharrod Neasman (FA 2018), 40 - Linden Stephens (UDFA) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee, 37 - Arthur Maulet, 39 - Kamrin Moore (R6, #189) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (FA 2018) Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3 *Note: 22 RB Mark Ingram has a pending suspension of four games to begin the 2018 NFL Season[/I] **Note: 69 DE Alex Jenkins (NFL IPPP) roster spot is exempt in the team total players per NFL Int'l Player Pathway Program KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent Signed (FA 2018) Free Agent Reserve/Futures Contract (FC) Rookie Injured |
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05-31-2018, 10:51 PM
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Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Let's not be coy - Payton makes the final roster decisions; they're may be input, requests, but there is no decision as a team as Payton has all the juice...
The pass rush is Cam Jordan with Okafor a solid complement; the interior (Onyemata, Davison, Rankins) were fair at best in collapsing the pocket... Of Note, Onyemata, Davison, Rankins is how they finished in their annual grades and production... Don't get all this brouhaha about we must have an edge rusher opposite Cam; there's four spots to get pressure; Rams do it with Aaron Donald, a DT3... At 27 in the draft, there were at least three DTs, another two DEs who would have been upgrades over everyone not named Cam Jordan... There still were options there in the third round to gain yet another player for the defensive line, our most critical area of need after free agency... Two first round picks is too much draft capital in one player not a franchise quarterback... Payton repeatedly overspending draft capital (i.e. two picks to acquire one pick) is one of the single biggest reasons why there's only one Superbowl with Drew Brees... You can buckle-in because this is likely a three year argument and won't end soon unless Davenport has a rookie season like Bubba Baker, or Jevon Kearse... Is a Superbowl worth two first round picks, YES. And Ultimately, the crux of this argument will be thus - Will Marcus Davenport be the difference and the single biggest reason for the Saints winning the Superbowl? Since 2006, it's real simple, Sean Payton in the field - Good; Sean Payton in the draft room - Bad... And for the record, I really want to be wrong on this and Davenport has a Bubba Baker rookie season to justify two first round picks... |
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