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jeanpierre 02-05-2019 10:51 AM
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K Major 02-05-2019 11:23 AM
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CJ UZOMAH ...

jeanpierre 02-05-2019 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 837651)
You know, he's intriguing - I started following him when I needed a replacement for my reserve TE Elfert...

C.J. seemed to really disappear once he became what should've been the No.1 TE option...

And worse, when he should've had some numbers when the Bengals were without WR A.J. Green, there was still little production...

jeanpierre 02-05-2019 12:48 PM
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Franchise Tag, Imminent

K Major 02-05-2019 02:12 PM
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With Rankins in rehab, any DT's you'd like to see signed in New Orleans for 2019?

Rodney Gunter? Or is it possible Jay Bromley returns?

ChrisXVI 02-05-2019 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 837664)
With Rankins in rehab, any DT's you'd like to see signed in New Orleans for 2019?

Rodney Gunter? Or is it possible Jay Bromley returns?
Chargers DT Darius Philon. 25 years old and a native of Mobile, AL. Coming off a four sack season and plays the run very well. Could be a very good rotational piece with Onyemata.

ChrisXVI 02-05-2019 04:50 PM
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Here’s a fun question...

The Vikings have only $7 million in cap space. TE Kyle Rudolph is going into the last year of his contract and turns 30 in November. The Vikings can save $7.62 million with no dead cap by cutting or trading him.

Would you be willing to trade our 2nd round pick for him?

rezburna 02-05-2019 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 837669)
Here’s a fun question...

The Vikings have only $7 million in cap space. TE Kyle Rudolph is going into the last year of his contract and turns 30 in November. The Vikings can save $7.62 million with no dead cap by cutting or trading him.

Would you be willing to trade our 2nd round pick for him?
I wouldn’t.

dizzle88 02-05-2019 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 837669)
Here’s a fun question...

The Vikings have only $7 million in cap space. TE Kyle Rudolph is going into the last year of his contract and turns 30 in November. The Vikings can save $7.62 million with no dead cap by cutting or trading him.

Would you be willing to trade our 2nd round pick for him?
Nah not at all, not a game breaker and he's 30. We could get a better one in the draft, we really need more receiving options.

ChrisXVI 02-05-2019 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 837682)
I wouldn’t.
A 2nd round pick would probably be a little much. I’ve seen the idea of trading him floating around in the Vikings corner of the internet and their fans sound like they would only expect a later round pick.

jeanpierre 02-05-2019 06:57 PM
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Jesse James makes the most sense, and I like the idea of adding him to the three we have already...

And if we go with as few RBs as we had this year, we can keep a FB and a fourth TE for jumbo packages...

K Major 02-05-2019 07:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 837669)
Here’s a fun question...

The Vikings have only $7 million in cap space. TE Kyle Rudolph is going into the last year of his contract and turns 30 in November. The Vikings can save $7.62 million with no dead cap by cutting or trading him.

Would you be willing to trade our 2nd round pick for him?
Absolutely not.

K Major 02-05-2019 07:24 PM
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It appears the Kurt Coleman experiment was a swing and a miss.

Earl Thomas anyone? A game changer on the back end.

saintsfan1976 02-05-2019 07:51 PM
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Rudolph? No because I believe a healthy Dez Bryant and Cam Meredith significantly upgrade our receiving options. Dan and Josh are good enough to have 2 big games that exploit a matchup enough to win. We don’t need an all star TE.

What we need is to fill Rankins spot and fix a still-leaky secondary.

jeanpierre 02-05-2019 07:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 837667)
Chargers DT Darius Philon. 25 years old and a native of Mobile, AL. Coming off a four sack season and plays the run very well. Could be a very good rotational piece with Onyemata.
There's legit buzz of McCoy's offseason training association with Brees that if McCoy doesn't get a wow contract offer if released by the Bucs, he may do a short-term deal with the Saints...

jeanpierre 02-05-2019 09:02 PM
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Really don't care to have Dez nor Meredith back, they bring nothing that the younger Tre'quan Smith or Keith Kirkwood don't already have without the injury history, age, and more expensive cap numbers they'll bring...

Meredith's contract was essentially a one year deal. And Dez will probably be looking for a little more than tooth fairy money...

If Tre'quan can turn the jets on, consistently, as he did in Training Camp 2018, he replaces Ginn...

We need to get that third and move the chains underneath Lance Moore/Willie Snead guy more than we need two more outside possession receivers...

And we need to bring in a veteran front end Tight End to leave no doubts, before the draft...

ChrisXVI 02-05-2019 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837698)
Really don't care to have Dez nor Meredith back, they bring nothing that the younger Tre'quan Smith or Keith Kirkwood don't already have without the injury history, age, and more expensive cap numbers they'll bring...

Meredith's contract was essentially a one year deal. And Dez will probably be looking for a little more than tooth fairy money...

If Tre'quan can turn the jets on, consistently, as he did in Training Camp 2018, he replaces Ginn...

We need to get that third and move the chains underneath Lance Moore/Willie Snead guy more than we need two more outside possession receivers...

And we need to bring in a veteran front end Tight End to leave no doubts, before the draft...
A wildcard in all of this is Simmie Cobbs Jr. We liked him enough to sign him off the Redskins practice squad and keep him on the active roster. He’s another one of those big-bodied X receivers that could make Dez Bryant or Cameron Meredith unnecessary.

saintfan 02-05-2019 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837698)
Really don't care to have Dez nor Meredith back, they bring nothing that the younger Tre'quan Smith or Keith Kirkwood don't already have without the injury history, age, and more expensive cap numbers they'll bring...

Meredith's contract was essentially a one year deal. And Dez will probably be looking for a little more than tooth fairy money...

If Tre'quan can turn the jets on, consistently, as he did in Training Camp 2018, he replaces Ginn...

We need to get that third and move the chains underneath Lance Moore/Willie Snead guy more than we need two more outside possession receivers...

And we need to bring in a veteran front end Tight End to leave no doubts, before the draft...

Disagree a little bit on Dez. Notwithstanding the other guys, I just have a feeling Dez presence on the field could be, well, if not a game changer certainly a significant addition...if he's healthy. I think he'd play for us for a more than fair price considering his age, his status, and the injury. It's not like teams were beating down his door.

jeanpierre 02-06-2019 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 837699)
A wildcard in all of this is Simmie Cobbs Jr. We liked him enough to sign him off the Redskins practice squad and keep him on the active roster. He’s another one of those big-bodied X receivers that could make Dez Bryant or Cameron Meredith unnecessary.
This is what I'm saying. Meredith is done - this was another case where the Saints threw money away in a big medical gamble when Tight End, Offensive Line, or a Cornerback should've been shored up better.

At this stage of his career Dez is tracking down as well; he's not a speedster and he's never been one to go across the short, middle of the fields on third downs, so he's not gonna start now...

We have younger guys who's floor has been established and can only track up - why waste the time, money on retreads when we can move on to offensive line, RB depth, and CB depth?

And if we need anything, get a proven, healthy, Game Day Available, slot receiver veteran like a Adam Humphries or Chris Hogan that Drew can quickly build a rapport...

K Major 02-06-2019 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837712)
This is what I'm saying. Meredith is done - this was another case where the Saints threw money away in a big medical gamble when Tight End, Offensive Line, or a Cornerback should've been shored up better.
Not buying this at all. Meredith suffered a very serious knee injury. Sometimes, it takes 2 years for a player to get over that, both physically and more importantly ...mentally.

Bookmark this page for friendly debate post 2019 training camp.

jeanpierre 02-06-2019 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 837713)
Not buying this at all. Meredith suffered a very serious knee injury. Sometimes, it takes 2 years for a player to get over that, both physically and more importantly ...mentally.

Bookmark this page for friendly debate post 2019 training camp.
So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season?

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?

jeanpierre 02-06-2019 09:56 AM
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K Major 02-06-2019 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837725)
So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season?

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?
Saints weren't in a position to throw Sammy Watkins type coin (14M) last season at good to above avg WRs.

Saints signed him to a 2 year deal with only 1 year guaranteed. If he doesn't return to form in 2019, cut him.

From a GM perspective, not really a big deal and I'm not to the point of saying Meredith is done.

Dez is still an unknown. Invite him to camp, see how he performs and go from there.

K Major 02-06-2019 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837725)

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?[/B]
As far as tight end goes, I've been on the "upgrade" train for 2 seasons now. No disrespect to Hill or Arnold but trotting out undrafted guys at this position caught up with us. Even a older, slower, broke up Jimmy Dickens (Graham) would have had more impact in the red zone during the playoffs.

Very unfortunate that Fleener didn't work out. I hope the Saints go aggressive here when FA period starts.

rezburna 02-06-2019 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837725)
So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season?

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?
I’d prefer Dez Bryant. I’d like to see us go grab Cameron Brate at Tight End. I wouldn’t mind seeing us go after Cole Beasley if he’s available too.

AsylumGuido 02-06-2019 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 837753)
I’d prefer Dez Bryant. I’d like to see us go grab Cameron Brate at Tight End. I wouldn’t mind seeing us go after Cole Beasley if he’s available too.
You're hired if you can pull that off, Rez.

AsylumGuido 02-06-2019 05:11 PM
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I can tell you for sure that Drew has shifted into big time "home town discount" mode. He wants this BAD.

jeanpierre 02-06-2019 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 837729)
Saints weren't in a position to throw Sammy Watkins type coin (14M) last season at good to above avg WRs.
Why would we want Sammy Watkins? My bad, Major, I'm just missing something...

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 837729)
Saints signed him to a 2 year deal with only 1 year guaranteed. If he doesn't return to form in 2019, cut him.

From a GM perspective, not really a big deal and I'm not to the point of saying Meredith is done.
I understand the logistics of the signing, but what I'm saying is you invested a 3rd round pick in a guy, let him get the snaps so he can develop and contribute...

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 837729)
Dez is still an unknown. Invite him to camp, see how he performs and go from there.
Before the injury, Dez looked done, that's why Dallas moved on without a No. 1 until they traded for Amari Cooper. Even Dallas knew he was done.

And I understand what you're saying about Tight End last year. But now Arnold and Griffin have finally, one, learned the position...

...two, have gained adequate weight to play the position...

and three, got some, but not enough reps at that point to be trusted in the playoffs (And Arnold was mauled before making a great attempt coming down with that ball)...

The ability is there, they needed time to get where they need to beand that's why they went undrafted...

We just need a front end tight end to do the job until they're fully ready...

And as far as receiver, there does appear to be an issue between Brees and the young slot receiver - with this possibly being Brees' last run, I'd go get Humphries or Hogan - guys that are durable and can catch a lot of balls to convert those 3rd downs...

jeanpierre 02-06-2019 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 837758)
I can tell you for sure that Drew has shifted into big time "home town discount" mode. He wants this BAD.
I'll say this. After watching some of the missed chances in Free Agency and some questionable draft day management (yes, 2017 was out the park), I regret ever criticizing Brees for demanding a max contract affecting the team's ability to get more free agents...

The money wasted on guys like Jairus Byrd and the two for one moving up caught up with this team and still is as Payton continues to mortgage the future worse and worse with each draft...

jeanpierre 02-06-2019 10:07 PM
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jeanpierre 02-07-2019 07:10 AM
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SmashMouth 02-07-2019 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837808)
Saints overpaid for TE once or twice already...

jeanpierre 02-07-2019 07:24 AM
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canucksaint 02-07-2019 08:13 AM
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If we need help on the back end, for an affordable price, we can always look north again.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/01/22/cfl-ca...-free-agents-3
#6
DELVIN BREAUX SR.
DB | HAM
THE LOW DOWN
Tune in to a Ticats’ broadcast and you probably won’t see much of Delvin Breaux. That’s the mark of a great defensive back, as the Tabbies’ top defender erases opposing top receivers week in and week out. Breaux is quite possibly the only true ‘shutdown’ corner in the pass-happy Canadian game.

He's up for free agency. Proved that he's healthy enough to play out a full season. Was once again one of the top DB's in the CFL. His salary was only around 200k. He knows our system, our team, and our coaches.

jeanpierre 02-07-2019 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by canucksaint (Post 837818)
If we need help on the back end, for an affordable price, we can always look north again.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/01/22/cfl-ca...-free-agents-3
#6
DELVIN BREAUX SR.
DB | HAM
THE LOW DOWN
Tune in to a Ticats’ broadcast and you probably won’t see much of Delvin Breaux. That’s the mark of a great defensive back, as the Tabbies’ top defender erases opposing top receivers week in and week out. Breaux is quite possibly the only true ‘shutdown’ corner in the pass-happy Canadian game.

He's up for free agency. Proved that he's healthy enough to play out a full season. Was once again one of the top DB's in the CFL. His salary was only around 200k. He knows our system, our team, and our coaches.
I'd love it, if he were healthy, available; but are there Trust Issues?

jeanpierre 02-07-2019 12:08 PM
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Well, McCoy is looking more attractive if he's available...

canucksaint 02-07-2019 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 837825)
I'd love it, if he were healthy, available; but are there Trust Issues?
He played all last year for the Ti-Cats in the CFL. Healthy = Check
He is a Free Agent, so now is the chance for him to move back to the NFL. Available = Check
Trust Issues? Don't think that there are any. Last Year's article notes this... also the Saints fired the two doctors who misdiagnosed. So IMO, Trust Issues = N/A

https://www.canalstreetchronicles.co...-lattimore-nfl

Breaux has remained in love with the team even after the Saints team doctors put his career in jeopardy with a horribly embarrassing misdiagnosis of a severe fibula injury. Breaux still wanted to be a Saint, even after the team floated his name around the league looking for trade offers. At this very moment, as the team sets their focus on upgrading the roster talent while ignoring Breaux’s availability, Breaux still remains hopeful that the New Orleans Saints will give him another chance to make a return on the investment they made in him.

K Major 02-07-2019 02:39 PM
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Looking at the current roster @ CB ...

Delvin isn't really suited to play slot & I hardly believe he'll take Apple's spot as the #2. So he'd basically play special teams at best?

Balling out up in Canada is a lot different than playing at a high level in the NFL. Completely different animal.

Just don't see the reunion tour in NO happening for DB.

ChrisXVI 02-07-2019 03:36 PM
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I agree with this...


After hiring the Dolphins ST coach, I would love to acquire their great return man.

jeanpierre 02-07-2019 05:25 PM
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