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ChrisXVI 02-26-2019 03:28 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Armstead was playing through a torn pec...

K Major 02-26-2019 07:16 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Peat isn't awful ... just average and he's hurt (he's finished on IR 2 of his 3 years in the league) a lot.

I wouldn't pay average 9.5M for a single season & you certainly don't hand him 10+M a year in an extension. If a player struggles with injuries, they need to be elite like Armstead to justify it. If Peat would like to come back for 6M a year, then fine but I doubt he will.

K Major 02-26-2019 07:23 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 839066)
Peat can be traded. I said it before the deadline. I don't want to hear about his injury - Armstead came back from a torn peck. Peat was a 1st round pick who's played average. I'd like to see us upgrade the spot this offseason. He's a "don't have to have"
^^^ This ^^^

jeanpierre 02-26-2019 07:25 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 839079)
Armstead was playing through a torn pec...
For 2016, 2017, 2018? By the numbers on Mr. Glass, these are his Games Started (Does Not Mean Finished) by season...

2013 - 02

2014 - 14

2015 - 13

*Contract Extension

2016 - 07

2017 - 10

2018 - 10

This is why I defend Peat as I do. While a Pro should thoroughly prepare, Peat probably has had to prepare as both a LG and LT more than any other OLineman in the league...

K Major 02-26-2019 07:44 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 839056)
He’s done
Not implying that I want Crabtree however it's crucial that we find a legit/complimentary #2 WR this off season.

I still say don't sleep on Cameron Meredith. His best days are ahead of him if healthy. I believe there is a legitimate reason why the Saints invested so much in him.

IMO TLL and Carr are wasted roster spots.

K Major 02-26-2019 07:58 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Preston Smith ...

Wonder if the Saints will take a flyer on this guy in Free Agency? Not a household name but he's a big frame (6'6) & can get to the QB with consistent "pressure".

jeanpierre 02-26-2019 08:24 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 839096)
Preston Smith ...

Wonder if the Saints will take a flyer on this guy in Free Agency? Not a household name but he's a big frame (6'6) & can get to the QB with consistent "pressure".
Like the thought, but could we afford him? He's likely to be looking for a starting gig and the Raiders, Jets, and Colts have cap space and starting positions to fill...

Would love to have a pass rusher like that, but with needs at DT3, NT and currently on about $12mil in cap space, we bring back Okafor if he doesn't like his market...

Get the feeling Free Agency will be a RB (likely Ingram extension), NT (likely Davison extension), DT3 (anybody's guess), OL sixth man (plus trade(s) of current OLmen), and maybe a safety...

K Major 02-26-2019 08:35 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839099)
Would love to have a pass rusher like that, but with needs at DT3, NT and currently on about $12mil in cap space, we bring back Okafor if he doesn't like his market...
Assuming Okafor walks (I hope he doesn't), who would you target as an "edge" rusher? Shane Ray? Clay Matthews?

Speaking of the Oakland Raiders, I do like Jonathan Hankins at DT. Good player on a terrible team. Darius Philon is another guy who is emerging & is only 25.

K Major 02-26-2019 09:16 AM
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Frank Clark (edge) ...

I know, I know it's a pipe dream but he can flat out play and sack the QB. The stats don't lie. If we would "go all out in FA", Frank is a guy I'd be happy to have putting Crablegs, Matty Ice & Fig Newton on their a** twice a year.

K Major 02-26-2019 09:29 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839099)
Get the feeling Free Agency will be a RB (likely Ingram extension), NT (likely Davison extension), DT3 (anybody's guess), OL sixth man (plus trade(s) of current OLmen), and maybe a safety...[/B]
Who is your guy @ safety? Eric Weddle? Tyrann M? Collins? Clinton-Dix?

jeanpierre 02-26-2019 09:37 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 839107)
Who is your guy @ safety? Eric Weddle? Tyrann M? Collins? Clinton-Dix?
Of that group, I like Mathieu - but that'll limit finding a DT3 and OL depth to the draft with few draft picks...

ChrisXVI 02-26-2019 10:35 AM
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Uh oh.

frydaddy 02-26-2019 11:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 839113)
I wouldn't worry too much about it. I don't think we have enough to offer. Probably just trying to drive up the price to screw the bucs.

jeanpierre 02-26-2019 11:58 AM
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You know what really sucks about this list?

We had one on our roster and let him go? Will we ever get the real story???

Another, Pay/Mis failed to make a move on another when we clearly had need and he was affordable...

K Major 02-26-2019 12:28 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839116)
You know what really sucks about this list?

We had one on our roster and let him go? Will we ever get the real story???

Another, Pay/Mis failed to make a move on another when we clearly had need and he was affordable...

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1100452189804347393
How much was it on the coaching (Hicks) staff though ?

IIRC, Akiem wanted to be a 5 tech when Jordan had that locked down. Then he became lazy, took plays off etc. He "flashed" every 15 plays. Essentially it took 3 different teams before Akiem put it all together.

Too bad Coach Nielsen never had the opportunity to coach him up in New Orleans.

Rugby Saint II 02-26-2019 01:32 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839116)
You know what really sucks about this list?

We had one on our roster and let him go? Will we ever get the real story???

Another, Pay/Mis failed to make a move on another when we clearly had need and he was affordable...

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1100452189804347393
I thought we already Did. I remember him swinging a belt on the beach after he had developed hard feelings among the players and coaches. He ran himself out of town and was a reclamation project when he left here. Too bad he couldn't get his **** together here.:rolleyes:

jeanpierre 02-26-2019 06:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 839128)
I thought we already Did. I remember him swinging a belt on the beach after he had developed hard feelings among the players and coaches. He ran himself out of town and was a reclamation project when he left here. Too bad he couldn't get his **** together here.:rolleyes:
Rugs, that was Junior Galette...

jeanpierre 02-26-2019 06:38 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 839123)
How much was it on the coaching (Hicks) staff though ?

IIRC, Akiem wanted to be a 5 tech when Jordan had that locked down. Then he became lazy, took plays off etc. He "flashed" every 15 plays. Essentially it took 3 different teams before Akiem put it all together.

Too bad Coach Nielsen never had the opportunity to coach him up in New Orleans.
My understanding was we were going to a 3-4 (remember Hau'oli Kikaha?) and he was a poor fit...

saintsfan1976 02-26-2019 07:44 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
We need another force on the interior D line. All starts in the middle....3 of those four players were legit playoff defenses.

I go Dat before I go safety

saintsfan1976 02-26-2019 07:46 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 839104)
Assuming Okafor walks (I hope he doesn't), who would you target as an "edge" rusher? Shane Ray? Clay Matthews?

Speaking of the Oakland Raiders, I do like Jonathan Hankins at DT. Good player on a terrible team. Darius Philon is another guy who is emerging & is only 25.
We have Anzelone. I think he’s every bit as good as Clay (although used differently). Shane Ray is over his head. NFL physicality seems too much for him.

saintsfan1976 02-26-2019 09:01 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839075)
Peat played ten days after having pins put in his hand!!! Mr. Glass hasn't played but a half season each year since he signed to the Big Mo...

But Cousin Sean addressed your comment today...


https://twitter.com/SeanFazendeFOX8/...79162780917761
But they were small pins... :p

Let's not compare Armstead to Peat. TA is much better at his position than Peat is. Agree with Sean we have Clapp. Let's move him for another pick!

AND... If we're really looking for cap space, can't we start with Mr Brees???

saintsfan1976 02-26-2019 09:26 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 838966)
The Saints have roughly 12 mil. (per over the cap) in cap space right now and once the new league year starts the new cap adjustments will kick in and they will have more cap space.

DT
TE
OL (depth)
Safety

Question marks .. CB (PJ Williams), PRob is a year older coming off injury, WR (Dez, Meredith, Tre), Davison and Andrus Peat (reasonable contract).

Draft the BPA with the 2nd round pick.
I think DT is paramount.

TE is more of a game plan position now instead of having a guy like Graham. Let's be honest, Kamara is the playmaker.

OL depth, yes. Another Strief type guy can be had later in the draft.

Vonn Bell is our SS of the future. Check out PFF quote: Pro Football Focus (PFF) graded Bell's run defense at 88.2, third among all NFL safeties in 2018. His coverage skills have improved greatly over each season however.
Bell's overall grade from PFF was 75.3, 27th out of 101 defensive backs at the position. The 24-yr. old safety played better in coverage as this season progressed as well, often capably taking on an opposing tight end or even wideout out of the slot

I would add WR, LB depth (maybe starter over Klein) don't see solid LB options this year in our range.

jeanpierre 02-26-2019 09:53 PM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 839161)
I think DT is paramount.

TE is more of a game plan position now instead of having a guy like Graham. Let's be honest, Kamara is the playmaker.

OL depth, yes. Another Strief type guy can be had later in the draft.

Vonn Bell is our SS of the future. Check out PFF quote: Pro Football Focus (PFF) graded Bell's run defense at 88.2, third among all NFL safeties in 2018. His coverage skills have improved greatly over each season however.
Bell's overall grade from PFF was 75.3, 27th out of 101 defensive backs at the position. The 24-yr. old safety played better in coverage as this season progressed as well, often capably taking on an opposing tight end or even wideout out of the slot

I would add WR, LB depth (maybe starter over Klein) don't see solid LB options this year in our range.
Don't get the wanting to upgrade/replace Klein - this reminds me of the criticism towards Shanle who many here regret criticizing during those lean LBing years just a couple of seasons back...

A.J. can play MIKE well, not great, but well. And he had some terrific games last year at SAM (e.g. Dallas game). Further, we're in Nickel, Heavy Nickel, or Dime more than 50% of the time...

We're fine with Klein (yeah, I just did that); we need to worry about not having but one DT, just one, UNO DT under contract able to play the first four games of the upcoming season...

K Major 02-27-2019 07:17 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 839161)
I think DT is paramount.
Agreed.

Rankins will be out for a while, Davidson is probably going to look for a bigger payday (and he should) & 80 grams is facing a suspension. It's his 1st offense but you just never know with Goddell. Stallworth played well as a rookie but inexperienced.

DT spot is super thin & the season is long.

K Major 02-27-2019 07:51 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839162)
A.J. can play MIKE well, not great, but well. And he had some terrific games last year at SAM (e.g. Dallas game). Further, we're in Nickel, Heavy Nickel, or Dime more than 50% of the time...

We're fine with Klein (yeah, I just did that); we need to worry about not having but one DT, just one, UNO DT under contract able to play the first four games of the upcoming season...[/B]
Klein was decent in 2018. Decent. Still nothing wrong with bringing in one more young, solid linebacker. Craig is 30 & Te'o is a Free Agent so no guarantees there.

I'd rank LB at #4 on need. IMO this is Klein's final season (expiring contract) in NO.

Saints need to take the Patriots approach and always look to upgrade in the off season.

jeanpierre 02-27-2019 08:01 AM
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Interesting discussion about the nickel - good argument made to let a soon-to-be 32yo P-Rob geaux for the 26yo Honey Badger...

Mathieu could play safety and nickel and would give better value for that salary slot...


Saints Talk with Nick Underhill and...

jeanpierre 02-27-2019 08:07 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 839174)
Klein was decent in 2018. Decent. Still nothing wrong with bringing in one more young, solid linebacker. Craig is 30 & Te'o is a Free Agent so no guarantees there.

I'd rank LB at #4 on need. IMO this is Klein's final season (expiring contract) in NO.

Saints need to take the Patriots approach and always look to upgrade in the off season.
https://grades.profootballfocus.com/...itions/show/LB

Klein was graded comparably to Anthony Barr, Myles Jack; factor in for what we're paying, it's a no-brainer to keep him around...

Also a re-visit of how terrible the selection of Rick Leonard in the fourth round was last year and how we'll be paying for it...

K Major 02-27-2019 08:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839180)
https://grades.profootballfocus.com/...itions/show/LB

Klein was graded comparably to Anthony Barr, Myles Jack; factor in for what we're paying, it's a no-brainer to keep him around...

Also a re-visit of how terrible the selection of Rick Leonard in the fourth round was last year and how we'll be paying for it...
FWIW, I never take PFF as the gospel for player evaluation.

There are many Head coaches (Zimmer & Bellichick) who question the validity of their data. It is what it is.

As for the past draft, I simply can't question what the Saints front office (Ireland, SP & his staff) do with their draft picks ... especially after evaluating the last 3 years of players/studs we've acquired.

K Major 02-27-2019 08:43 AM
Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839178)
Interesting discussion about the nickel - good argument made to let a soon-to-be 32yo P-Rob geaux for the 26yo Honey Badger...

Mathieu could play safety and nickel and would give better value for that salary slot...


Saints Talk with Nick Underhill and...
Wow ... the Peat "trade talk" is gaining some momentum. I guess Bobby Hebert was on to something when there were rumors that we were trying to package Peat & another player in exchange for Patrick Peterson.

It will be interesting to see what happens next month when FA begins.

jeanpierre 02-27-2019 08:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 839182)
FWIW, I never take PFF as the gospel for player evaluation.

There are many Head coaches (Zimmer & Bellichick) who question the validity of their data. It is what it is.

As for the past draft, I simply can't question what the Saints front office (Ireland, SP & his staff) do with their draft picks ... especially after evaluating the last 3 years of players/studs we've acquired.
There's a total body of work since 2006 that is very inconsistent. Some considered 2006 to be one of the best drafts ever - netting a Loomis an Executive of the Year Award...

But all 32 teams passed on Marques Colston for the better part of seven rounds, including Loomis - the real valued pick of that draft was Jahri Evans in the fourth; even 7th rd Strief took four seasons to develop...

Real problem I have is what we're seeing now - a great many deal of rookie contracts coming to maturation and we're not bringing affordable drafted talent to make the salary schedule manageable, flexible...

You just can't keep spending two-for-one on draft picks and stay competitive consistently - New England Patriots are the model for good cap management and willingness to draft players and trust them on the field...

Payton/Loomis continue stubbornly to avoid investing heavily (more picks) in the draft and rely too much on free agency and care-free spending of draft capital...

No, Payton and Loomis don't get a pass with me, nor should they with anyone, when it comes to bad personnel free agency choices and poor draft management handicapping this Brees-era from Championships...

Payton/Loomis brought in Ireland and they should let him do his job and their job should be to get out of the way and focus on their jobs - coaching, managing game plans and managing the salary caps.

In so far as PFF, I don't consider it an absolute, but a relative tool for evaluating discussing talent, but for what is spent on a Sam/Mike Linebacker, he's one of the great values Payton/Loomis got right...

Respect you don't like Klein, and that's okay - we're just not going to have elite talent at every position and I'll take Klein above average talent at a two-down linebacking spot for, say, an elite CB, DE...

K Major 02-27-2019 09:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839184)

Respect you don't like Klein, and that's okay. But for what is spent on a Sam and Mike Linebacker, he's one of the great values Payton/Loomis got right...
Our dear friend Hagan was beating the drum for AJ in Free Agency and he got his man. I will say his first year in NO was disappointing however year 2 ...

IMO AJ Klein was the most improved player on defense for New Orleans in 2018 :bng:.

FinSaint 02-27-2019 04:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 839187)
Our dear friend Hagan was beating the drum for AJ in Free Agency and he got his man. I will say his first year in NO was disappointing however year 2 ...

IMO AJ Klein was the most improved player on defense for New Orleans in 2018 :bng:.
I might give that award to a fellow linebacker instead... but I think Klein played really well at times, although he was also very inconsistent for most of the season.

I think the starting LBs are more than good enough with Davis-Anzalone-Klein, but it is the depth behind those guys that is lacking even with Robertson still being a quality player - they need rising young studs to challenge the starters.

jeanpierre 02-27-2019 04:47 PM
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ChrisXVI 02-27-2019 08:03 PM
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K Major 02-28-2019 07:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 839226)
Peat has been a little too up and down for my taste however I'd like him back at a reasonable #. 9.6M is a lot of coin for a average guard. I don't buy into the "versatility" angle either. He has slow feet and avg hand movement while at tackle.

Hopefully the Saints front office brass trust the tape when it's time to pay up.

K Major 02-28-2019 07:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 839211)
I think the starting LBs are more than good enough with Davis-Anzalone-Klein, but it is the depth behind those guys that is lacking even with Robertson still being a quality player - they need rising young studs to challenge the starters.
Completely agree.

It's working in Dallas.

K Major 02-28-2019 11:13 AM
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Bucs' Gerald McCoy finds inspiration, nemesis and friend in Drew Brees.

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jeanpierre 02-28-2019 09:32 PM
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jeanpierre 03-01-2019 05:46 AM
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Free Agent Priorities: RB, NT, DT, OL, TE

SmashMouth 03-01-2019 07:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 839327)
Free Agent Priorities: RB, NT, DT, OL, TE
Not necessarily in that order... :popcorn:


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