Brees is done

blackangold · 11-17-2019, 10:05 AM

The 0-42 stat doesn't provide causation, but it does provide correlation between loses.

Winning teams can do 2 things in the NFL, run the ball and play defense. If you can't do those things your success will be short lived.

I know you all understand that and are arguing that our running game was ineffective so they had to move away from it, however as AG drove into the play by play, you could see our running game was effective but it was abandoned. You don't need 6 yards a carry, 3 yards on first or second down is better than a incomplete pass or sack. We could have been setting up 3rd and short with an aggressive run game, but instead we were behind th chains because we chose to pass and create negative plays (incomplete/sacks/penalties).

If the saints right the ship, it'll be due to establishing the run again.

TheOak · 11-17-2019, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

The 0-42 stat doesn't provide causation, but it does provide correlation between loses.

Winning teams can do 2 things in the NFL, run the ball and play defense. If you can't do those things your success will be short lived.

I know you all understand that and are arguing that our running game was ineffective so they had to move away from it, however as AG drove into the play by play, you could see our running game was effective but it was abandoned. You don't need 6 yards a carry, 3 yards on first or second down is better than a incomplete pass or sack. We could have been setting up 3rd and short with an aggressive run game, but instead we were behind th chains because we chose to pass and create negative plays (incomplete/sacks/penalties).

If the saints right the ship, it'll be due to establishing the run again.

Brother, absolutely no one that I have seen has argued against the run game being vital. But it wasn't there against Atlanta it was never effective and no one was getting 3 YPC and the Penalties were killing the run game as well often leaving us with more than 10 yards for a 1st down. Do do remember the penalties and have factored them into your 3YPC run game?

6 offensive penalties on 10 drives.... You cant establish a run game on that Sir...

Murry ave 2.6 YPC ill bet you a months salary that if Payton would have run Kamara in place of Murry people would be b1tching about over use...

People are arguing that our QB was killing run plays just to pad stats and that's asinine to say the least. We have some smart members that say stupid sh1t.

Atlanta came in to kill our run game, they were successful because our O-Line was flat. Our passing game was unsuccessful because we dont have more than one receiver and she same line was flat.

AsylumGuido · 11-17-2019, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brother, absolutely no one that I have seen has argued against the run game being vital. But it wasn't there against Atlanta it was never effective and no one was getting 3 YPC and the Penalties were killing the run game as well often leaving us with more than 10 yards for a 1st down. Do do remember the penalties and have factored them into your 3YPC run game?

6 offensive penalties on 10 drives.... You cant establish a run game on that Sir...

Murry ave 2.6 YPC ill bet you a months salary that if Payton would have run Kamara in place of Murry people would be b1tching about over use...

People are arguing that our QB was killing run plays just to pad stats and that's asinine to say the least. We have some smart members that say stupid sh1t.

Atlanta came in to kill our run game, they were successful because our O-Line was flat. Our passing game was unsuccessful because we dont have more than one receiver and she same line was flat.

^^^^^^

All of this. But, Oak, it's like talking to a blank wall. They don't understand football as much as they think. Logic means nothing to them. Might as well give up. Forty-two times in the 52 year history of the Saints they did not carry the ball at least 15 times. Outlier, forced by flow of game and defensive scheme.

11-17-2019, 10:05 AM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Brees is done The 0-42 stat doesn't provide causation, but it does provide correlation between loses. Winning teams can do 2 things in the NFL, run the ball and play defense. If you can't do those things your success will be short lived. I know you all understand that and are arguing that our running game was ineffective so they had to move away from it, however as AG drove into the play by play, you could see our running game was effective but it was abandoned. You don't need 6 yards a carry, 3 yards on first or second down is better than a incomplete pass or sack. We could have been setting up 3rd and short with an aggressive run game, but instead we were behind th chains because we chose to pass and create negative plays (incomplete/sacks/penalties). If the saints right the ship, it'll be due to establishing the run again.
	The Saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game.

11-17-2019, 11:21 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by blackangold The 0-42 stat doesn't provide causation, but it does provide correlation between loses. Winning teams can do 2 things in the NFL, run the ball and play defense. If you can't do those things your success will be short lived. I know you all understand that and are arguing that our running game was ineffective so they had to move away from it, however as AG drove into the play by play, you could see our running game was effective but it was abandoned. You don't need 6 yards a carry, 3 yards on first or second down is better than a incomplete pass or sack. We could have been setting up 3rd and short with an aggressive run game, but instead we were behind th chains because we chose to pass and create negative plays (incomplete/sacks/penalties). If the saints right the ship, it'll be due to establishing the run again. Brother, absolutely no one that I have seen has argued against the run game being vital. But it wasn't there against Atlanta it was never effective and no one was getting 3 YPC and the Penalties were killing the run game as well often leaving us with more than 10 yards for a 1st down. Do do remember the penalties and have factored them into your 3YPC run game? 6 offensive penalties on 10 drives.... You cant establish a run game on that Sir... Murry ave 2.6 YPC ill bet you a months salary that if Payton would have run Kamara in place of Murry people would be b1tching about over use... People are arguing that our QB was killing run plays just to pad stats and that's asinine to say the least. We have some smart members that say stupid sh1t. Atlanta came in to kill our run game, they were successful because our O-Line was flat. Our passing game was unsuccessful because we dont have more than one receiver and she same line was flat. AsylumGuido likes this.
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11-17-2019, 11:57 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by TheOak Brother, absolutely no one that I have seen has argued against the run game being vital. But it wasn't there against Atlanta it was never effective and no one was getting 3 YPC and the Penalties were killing the run game as well often leaving us with more than 10 yards for a 1st down. Do do remember the penalties and have factored them into your 3YPC run game? 6 offensive penalties on 10 drives.... You cant establish a run game on that Sir... Murry ave 2.6 YPC ill bet you a months salary that if Payton would have run Kamara in place of Murry people would be b1tching about over use... People are arguing that our QB was killing run plays just to pad stats and that's asinine to say the least. We have some smart members that say stupid sh1t. Atlanta came in to kill our run game, they were successful because our O-Line was flat. Our passing game was unsuccessful because we dont have more than one receiver and she same line was flat. ^^^^^^ All of this. But, Oak, it's like talking to a blank wall. They don't understand football as much as they think. Logic means nothing to them. Might as well give up. Forty-two times in the 52 year history of the Saints they did not carry the ball at least 15 times. Outlier, forced by flow of game and defensive scheme.