I Want Drew Brees Back IF.......

Rugby Saint II · 01-08-2020, 01:00 PM

It seems to me that Brees just had the best game in history recently. He's still setting all kind of records and out of those 29 passes several were beautifully thrown deep balls. Taysom is not the answer and neither is Teddy. Not if you want to win another Super bowl. You need a special QB and we've already got one. He can manage this game for several more years. I for one am not willing to give up on the best passer ever.....and that includes this season. This loss was not on Drew. It was on the team.

saintfan · 01-08-2020, 01:07 PM

By the way, on the deep ball that was incomplete, I said in game chat in again in one of the post-game threads, the WR was mugged. Of course it wasn't called, but here's the shot of that play.

How much more before some of you realize it does not matter. Roger is controlling these games to the extent he is able by using the refs and either non-calls or fabricated ones?

shawnkytonk · 01-08-2020, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Brees sucked without Payton

This just isn't true. He's definitely been more consistent obviously, but go back and look at his last two years in SD.

nola_swammi · 01-08-2020, 03:04 PM

The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short

shawnkytonk · 01-08-2020, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short

That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago.

NOLA54 · 01-08-2020, 03:44 PM

Haven't we learned anything from the last 3 years of playoff appearances? We are the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over & over but expecting a different result. I love Drew & want him to retire a Saint. I also want to keep Payton. But something needs to change...attitudes, personnel, coaches? They were not hungry enough. Did they win too many games? Therefore becoming complacent? I can't answer these questions. I know that I am outraged by their performance, not only in the vikings game but for the last 3 playoff appearances.
I do know that if something doesn't change, next season will have the same results even if we make it to the playoffs.

burningmetal · 01-08-2020, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago.

I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it.

He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game.

And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time.

Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much.

There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show.

Mr.Riaton · 01-09-2020, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it.

He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game.

And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time.

Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much.

There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show.

+1

Well said!
Alot of people complained that all we need is a top 15 defense...or a top 10 defense...
Well we've had that for the last two seasons for sure,and we're no better off when it counts. I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter? We've upgraded everything on this team except for two things that remain....payton and brees.

FinSaint · 01-09-2020, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter?

Since when doesn't being the division champion mean anything?

Especially in the NFC South, where it was first to last for so many years in a row.

Mr.Riaton · 01-09-2020, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Since when doesn't being the division champion mean anything?

Especially in the NFC South, where it was first to last for so many years in a row.

Being the division champ does mean something,especially two years in a row! But I think I speak for the majority of football fans when I say that when the stars align and you have a really good team with a really good coaching staff,it's hard to be complacient with just being division champs. Last year's ending was out of the saints control,but this year was on us. I'm pretty disappointed,and being division champs falls short compared to what shoulda been...

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shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by blackangold Brees sucked without Payton This just isn't true. He's definitely been more consistent obviously, but go back and look at his last two years in SD.

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short

01-08-2020, 03:18 PM	#55
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by nola_swammi The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago.

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Haven't we learned anything from the last 3 years of playoff appearances? We are the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over & over but expecting a different result. I love Drew & want him to retire a Saint. I also want to keep Payton. But something needs to change...attitudes, personnel, coaches? They were not hungry enough. Did they win too many games? Therefore becoming complacent? I can't answer these questions. I know that I am outraged by their performance, not only in the vikings game but for the last 3 playoff appearances. I do know that if something doesn't change, next season will have the same results even if we make it to the playoffs.

01-08-2020, 08:59 PM	#57
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by shawnkytonk That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago. I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it. He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game. And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time. Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much. There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show. Danno, K Major and Mr.Riaton like this.
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01-09-2020, 02:31 AM	#58
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by burningmetal I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it. He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game. And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time. Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much. There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show. +1 Well said! Alot of people complained that all we need is a top 15 defense...or a top 10 defense... Well we've had that for the last two seasons for sure,and we're no better off when it counts. I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter? We've upgraded everything on this team except for two things that remain....payton and brees.

01-09-2020, 03:49 AM	#59
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter? Since when doesn't being the division champion mean anything? Especially in the NFC South, where it was first to last for so many years in a row.

01-09-2020, 04:27 AM	#60
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by FinSaint Since when doesn't being the division champion mean anything? Especially in the NFC South, where it was first to last for so many years in a row. Being the division champ does mean something,especially two years in a row! But I think I speak for the majority of football fans when I say that when the stars align and you have a really good team with a really good coaching staff,it's hard to be complacient with just being division champs. Last year's ending was out of the saints control,but this year was on us. I'm pretty disappointed,and being division champs falls short compared to what shoulda been... dam1953 likes this.