I Want Drew Brees Back IF.......

saintfan · 01-08-2020, 01:07 PM

By the way, on the deep ball that was incomplete, I said in game chat in again in one of the post-game threads, the WR was mugged. Of course it wasn't called, but here's the shot of that play.

How much more before some of you realize it does not matter. Roger is controlling these games to the extent he is able by using the refs and either non-calls or fabricated ones?

nola_swammi · 01-08-2020, 03:04 PM

The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short

shawnkytonk · 01-08-2020, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short

That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago.

burningmetal · 01-08-2020, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago.

I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it.

He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game.

And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time.

Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much.

There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show.

Mr.Riaton · 01-09-2020, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it.

He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game.

And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time.

Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much.

There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show.

+1

Well said!
Alot of people complained that all we need is a top 15 defense...or a top 10 defense...
Well we've had that for the last two seasons for sure,and we're no better off when it counts. I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter? We've upgraded everything on this team except for two things that remain....payton and brees.

FinSaint · 01-09-2020, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter?

Since when doesn't being the division champion mean anything?

Especially in the NFC South, where it was first to last for so many years in a row.

NOLA54 · 01-08-2020, 03:44 PM

Haven't we learned anything from the last 3 years of playoff appearances? We are the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over & over but expecting a different result. I love Drew & want him to retire a Saint. I also want to keep Payton. But something needs to change...attitudes, personnel, coaches? They were not hungry enough. Did they win too many games? Therefore becoming complacent? I can't answer these questions. I know that I am outraged by their performance, not only in the vikings game but for the last 3 playoff appearances.
I do know that if something doesn't change, next season will have the same results even if we make it to the playoffs.

lee909 · 01-09-2020, 07:07 AM

He can obviously do it

Then agsinst
He noticeable struggled with a full season two years ago. This year's injury kept him fresher. The whole low turnover this year is a bit of a myth, there's a video out showing he should have been picked 7 times over the last few games.

Also the NFL is changing, and it's doing it quickly. Teams need to be able to hit quickly on offense to keep up with the Ravens, Chiefs. Even Seattle is trying to speed up with the multiple WRs they have and Wilson ability to hit a deep ball. The cap hit is going to hurt when it comes but rather than waste years on players we ha e it needs to be this off-season or next. Good chance of a reduced 2021 season too with a upcoming cba

blackangold · 01-09-2020, 10:40 AM

One thing is becoming more obvious to me as time goes on... if Brees wants to come back the Saint basically don’t have an option but to let him back on a new poisonous contract. Due to the dead money Brees is going to be in control here.

Hope he wants to move on but I doubt he will.

neugey · 01-09-2020, 11:32 AM

The 21 mil dead money is a concern. It seems like the best-case scenario for the team would be him returning on a one-year deal even if it's high-dollar and also publicly or privately saying this is his last year and he'll retire at end of season. That would leave us free of any dead cap from him for 2021-22 going into a season with a new CBA and gives us one more year to prep his replacement (likely Taysom). But this is the 21st century and Brees has a pretty powerful agent so I doubt it will go this cleanly.

01-08-2020, 01:07 PM	#1
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01-08-2020, 03:04 PM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short

01-08-2020, 03:18 PM	#3
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by nola_swammi The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago.

01-08-2020, 08:59 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by shawnkytonk That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago. I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it. He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game. And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time. Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much. There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show. Danno, K Major and Mr.Riaton like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-09-2020, 02:31 AM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by burningmetal I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it. He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game. And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time. Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much. There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show. +1 Well said! Alot of people complained that all we need is a top 15 defense...or a top 10 defense... Well we've had that for the last two seasons for sure,and we're no better off when it counts. I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter? We've upgraded everything on this team except for two things that remain....payton and brees.

01-09-2020, 03:49 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter? Since when doesn't being the division champion mean anything? Especially in the NFC South, where it was first to last for so many years in a row.

01-08-2020, 03:44 PM	#7
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Haven't we learned anything from the last 3 years of playoff appearances? We are the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over & over but expecting a different result. I love Drew & want him to retire a Saint. I also want to keep Payton. But something needs to change...attitudes, personnel, coaches? They were not hungry enough. Did they win too many games? Therefore becoming complacent? I can't answer these questions. I know that I am outraged by their performance, not only in the vikings game but for the last 3 playoff appearances. I do know that if something doesn't change, next season will have the same results even if we make it to the playoffs.

01-09-2020, 07:07 AM	#8
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... He can obviously do it Then agsinst He noticeable struggled with a full season two years ago. This year's injury kept him fresher. The whole low turnover this year is a bit of a myth, there's a video out showing he should have been picked 7 times over the last few games. Also the NFL is changing, and it's doing it quickly. Teams need to be able to hit quickly on offense to keep up with the Ravens, Chiefs. Even Seattle is trying to speed up with the multiple WRs they have and Wilson ability to hit a deep ball. The cap hit is going to hurt when it comes but rather than waste years on players we ha e it needs to be this off-season or next. Good chance of a reduced 2021 season too with a upcoming cba
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01-09-2020, 10:40 AM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... One thing is becoming more obvious to me as time goes on... if Brees wants to come back the Saint basically don’t have an option but to let him back on a new poisonous contract. Due to the dead money Brees is going to be in control here. Hope he wants to move on but I doubt he will.

01-09-2020, 11:32 AM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,876 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... The 21 mil dead money is a concern. It seems like the best-case scenario for the team would be him returning on a one-year deal even if it's high-dollar and also publicly or privately saying this is his last year and he'll retire at end of season. That would leave us free of any dead cap from him for 2021-22 going into a season with a new CBA and gives us one more year to prep his replacement (likely Taysom). But this is the 21st century and Brees has a pretty powerful agent so I doubt it will go this cleanly.