N/S Your take on the XFL

hitta · 02-10-2020, 10:02 AM

I personally believe that this may be the one that lasts and builds. It'd be amazing if in 10-15 years the XFL is really challenging the NFL(hopefully there is a New Orleans team in the future). I think they are doing a lot of positive things. A lot better start than the inferior AAF. Even if the XFL doesn't blow up quite as big as I'd hope, I'm at the very least hoping that it forces the NFL to have to really adapt to keep its market share.

jeanpierre · 02-10-2020, 10:17 AM

No New Orleans Team - No Interest...

hitta · 02-10-2020, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

No New Orleans Team - No Interest...

They only have 8 teams now, they will grow. It is important for them to grow, as someone needs to put some pressure on the NFL(or overtake the NFL). The NFL has been trending towards **** for years. Someone needs to force them to re-evaluate themselves. Just look at the XFL's ingenious kickoff rule. The NFL was wanting to get rid of the kickoff all together for player safety. The XFL did something that is fun, exciting, and a heck of a lot more safe. Hopefully they will get a New Orleans team ,but it is still early in their development.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2020, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

They only have 8 teams now, they will grow. It is important for them to grow, as someone needs to put some pressure on the NFL(or overtake the NFL). The NFL has been trending towards **** for years. Someone needs to force them to re-evaluate themselves. Just look at the XFL's ingenious kickoff rule. The NFL was wanting to get rid of the kickoff all together for player safety. The XFL did something that is fun, exciting, and a heck of a lot more safe. Hopefully they will get a New Orleans team ,but it is still early in their development.

This league and their rules were not made in a vacuum from the NFL. There are NFL people on every level of the XFL and I'll guarantee you that all of these rules have been discussed in the NFL back rooms. The XFL is not meant to be competition for the NFL ... not now or in the future. What it is is a proving ground for players, coaches, front office, officials AND rules for the NFL.

burningmetal · 03-02-2020, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This league and their rules were not made in a vacuum from the NFL. There are NFL people on every level of the XFL and I'll guarantee you that all of these rules have been discussed in the NFL back rooms. The XFL is not meant to be competition for the NFL ... not now or in the future. What it is is a proving ground for players, coaches, front office, officials AND rules for the NFL.

You always have a way of making false statements with tremendous conviction, my friend. This is ABSOLUTELY meant to be competition for the NFL. Now, who knows how far it will actually go, but we're talking about Vince McMahon. This guy is not looking to be the NFL's developmental league. He wants to make a mark with HIS brand, whether his ideas are good or bad.

Competing with the NFL doesn't mean it's going to take down the NFL. It means trying to do things better than them and establish a brand that people will enjoy more than the NFL. And that would either force the NFL to make changes to counter, or they risk losing a lot of fans. And if as many people who watch the NFL were also watching the XFL in a few years, teams in the XFL could start making financial offers to NFL players that draw them away.

That's all in theory, and all takes time. But you can be sure that is what the goal is. The AAF was what was never meant as competition. It was very clear the NFL was using it as not just a developmental league, but a testing ground for rules changes, and that's why it folded before it even finished it's first season. People wanted to see something more along the lines of what football used to be, before the NFL wussified it, and all they got was a watered down version of the same garbage.

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2020, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You always have a way of making false statements with tremendous conviction, my friend. This is ABSOLUTELY meant to be competition for the NFL. Now, who knows how far it will actually go, but we're talking about Vince McMahon. This guy is not looking to be the NFL's developmental league. He wants to make a mark with HIS brand, whether his ideas are good or bad.

Competing with the NFL doesn't mean it's going to take down the NFL. It means trying to do things better than them and establish a brand that people will enjoy more than the NFL. And that would either force the NFL to make changes to counter, or they risk losing a lot of fans. And if as many people who watch the NFL were also watching the XFL in a few years, teams in the XFL could start making financial offers to NFL players that draw them away.

That's all in theory, and all takes time. But you can be sure that is what the goal is. The AAF was what was never meant as competition. It was very clear the NFL was using it as not just a developmental league, but a testing ground for rules changes, and that's why it folded before it even finished it's first season. People wanted to see something more along the lines of what football used to be, before the NFL wussified it, and all they got was a watered down version of the same garbage.

Believe what you wish. Hoping to fill a niche is not competition. It is completely the opposite. The XFL is hoping to flourish off of the success of the NFL. The fact that their season started the week after the NFL season ended was intentional as to ride the coattails of the NFL. The league's own CEO and Commissioner, Oliver Luck, has explicitly stated that the league is absolutely not in competition with the NFL.

It would take decades of success to grow to the point of ever competing for the viewership that the NFL currently enjoys. Their best hope for any long term success is to do exactly what they are doing ... being the NFL's lapdog.

TheOak · 03-04-2020, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You always have a way of making false statements with tremendous conviction, my friend. This is ABSOLUTELY meant to be competition for the NFL. Now, who knows how far it will actually go, but we're talking about Vince McMahon. This guy is not looking to be the NFL's developmental league. He wants to make a mark with HIS brand, whether his ideas are good or bad.

Competing with the NFL doesn't mean it's going to take down the NFL. It means trying to do things better than them and establish a brand that people will enjoy more than the NFL. And that would either force the NFL to make changes to counter, or they risk losing a lot of fans. And if as many people who watch the NFL were also watching the XFL in a few years, teams in the XFL could start making financial offers to NFL players that draw them away.

That's all in theory, and all takes time. But you can be sure that is what the goal is. The AAF was what was never meant as competition. It was very clear the NFL was using it as not just a developmental league, but a testing ground for rules changes, and that's why it folded before it even finished it's first season. People wanted to see something more along the lines of what football used to be, before the NFL wussified it, and all they got was a watered down version of the same garbage.

When a business sets out to compete with another business, it does so in the same space. Same space means exactly that, the same exact space. The XFL season is Feb.-Apr. and with the two leagues having different seasons there is truly zero competition for fans or viewership.

It doesn't matter what the XFL's product is like it doesn't compete with the NFL's product until it is in the same time slot.

The XFL's goal is to make a business of filling the void after the NFL season is over. They are hoping to ride the wave of football enthusiasm.

Nothing more, nothing less.

TheOak · 02-10-2020, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

The NFL has been trending towards **** for years.

Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success.

The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/

hitta · 02-10-2020, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success.

The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2020, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL.

XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL.

To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.

02-10-2020, 10:02 AM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	N/S Your take on the XFL I personally believe that this may be the one that lasts and builds. It'd be amazing if in 10-15 years the XFL is really challenging the NFL(hopefully there is a New Orleans team in the future). I think they are doing a lot of positive things. A lot better start than the inferior AAF. Even if the XFL doesn't blow up quite as big as I'd hope, I'm at the very least hoping that it forces the NFL to have to really adapt to keep its market share. neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.
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02-10-2020, 10:17 AM	#2
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hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by jeanpierre No New Orleans Team - No Interest... They only have 8 teams now, they will grow. It is important for them to grow, as someone needs to put some pressure on the NFL(or overtake the NFL). The NFL has been trending towards **** for years. Someone needs to force them to re-evaluate themselves. Just look at the XFL's ingenious kickoff rule. The NFL was wanting to get rid of the kickoff all together for player safety. The XFL did something that is fun, exciting, and a heck of a lot more safe. Hopefully they will get a New Orleans team ,but it is still early in their development.
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02-10-2020, 12:57 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta They only have 8 teams now, they will grow. It is important for them to grow, as someone needs to put some pressure on the NFL(or overtake the NFL). The NFL has been trending towards **** for years. Someone needs to force them to re-evaluate themselves. Just look at the XFL's ingenious kickoff rule. The NFL was wanting to get rid of the kickoff all together for player safety. The XFL did something that is fun, exciting, and a heck of a lot more safe. Hopefully they will get a New Orleans team ,but it is still early in their development. This league and their rules were not made in a vacuum from the NFL. There are NFL people on every level of the XFL and I'll guarantee you that all of these rules have been discussed in the NFL back rooms. The XFL is not meant to be competition for the NFL ... not now or in the future. What it is is a proving ground for players, coaches, front office, officials AND rules for the NFL. neugey and Thirty3 like this.

03-02-2020, 10:13 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This league and their rules were not made in a vacuum from the NFL. There are NFL people on every level of the XFL and I'll guarantee you that all of these rules have been discussed in the NFL back rooms. The XFL is not meant to be competition for the NFL ... not now or in the future. What it is is a proving ground for players, coaches, front office, officials AND rules for the NFL. You always have a way of making false statements with tremendous conviction, my friend. This is ABSOLUTELY meant to be competition for the NFL. Now, who knows how far it will actually go, but we're talking about Vince McMahon. This guy is not looking to be the NFL's developmental league. He wants to make a mark with HIS brand, whether his ideas are good or bad. Competing with the NFL doesn't mean it's going to take down the NFL. It means trying to do things better than them and establish a brand that people will enjoy more than the NFL. And that would either force the NFL to make changes to counter, or they risk losing a lot of fans. And if as many people who watch the NFL were also watching the XFL in a few years, teams in the XFL could start making financial offers to NFL players that draw them away. That's all in theory, and all takes time. But you can be sure that is what the goal is. The AAF was what was never meant as competition. It was very clear the NFL was using it as not just a developmental league, but a testing ground for rules changes, and that's why it folded before it even finished it's first season. People wanted to see something more along the lines of what football used to be, before the NFL wussified it, and all they got was a watered down version of the same garbage. K Major likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by burningmetal You always have a way of making false statements with tremendous conviction, my friend. This is ABSOLUTELY meant to be competition for the NFL. Now, who knows how far it will actually go, but we're talking about Vince McMahon. This guy is not looking to be the NFL's developmental league. He wants to make a mark with HIS brand, whether his ideas are good or bad. Competing with the NFL doesn't mean it's going to take down the NFL. It means trying to do things better than them and establish a brand that people will enjoy more than the NFL. And that would either force the NFL to make changes to counter, or they risk losing a lot of fans. And if as many people who watch the NFL were also watching the XFL in a few years, teams in the XFL could start making financial offers to NFL players that draw them away. That's all in theory, and all takes time. But you can be sure that is what the goal is. The AAF was what was never meant as competition. It was very clear the NFL was using it as not just a developmental league, but a testing ground for rules changes, and that's why it folded before it even finished it's first season. People wanted to see something more along the lines of what football used to be, before the NFL wussified it, and all they got was a watered down version of the same garbage. Believe what you wish. Hoping to fill a niche is not competition. It is completely the opposite. The XFL is hoping to flourish off of the success of the NFL. The fact that their season started the week after the NFL season ended was intentional as to ride the coattails of the NFL. The league's own CEO and Commissioner, Oliver Luck, has explicitly stated that the league is absolutely not in competition with the NFL. It would take decades of success to grow to the point of ever competing for the viewership that the NFL currently enjoys. Their best hope for any long term success is to do exactly what they are doing ... being the NFL's lapdog.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by burningmetal You always have a way of making false statements with tremendous conviction, my friend. This is ABSOLUTELY meant to be competition for the NFL. Now, who knows how far it will actually go, but we're talking about Vince McMahon. This guy is not looking to be the NFL's developmental league. He wants to make a mark with HIS brand, whether his ideas are good or bad. Competing with the NFL doesn't mean it's going to take down the NFL. It means trying to do things better than them and establish a brand that people will enjoy more than the NFL. And that would either force the NFL to make changes to counter, or they risk losing a lot of fans. And if as many people who watch the NFL were also watching the XFL in a few years, teams in the XFL could start making financial offers to NFL players that draw them away. That's all in theory, and all takes time. But you can be sure that is what the goal is. The AAF was what was never meant as competition. It was very clear the NFL was using it as not just a developmental league, but a testing ground for rules changes, and that's why it folded before it even finished it's first season. People wanted to see something more along the lines of what football used to be, before the NFL wussified it, and all they got was a watered down version of the same garbage. When a business sets out to compete with another business, it does so in the same space. Same space means exactly that, the same exact space. The XFL season is Feb.-Apr. and with the two leagues having different seasons there is truly zero competition for fans or viewership. It doesn't matter what the XFL's product is like it doesn't compete with the NFL's product until it is in the same time slot. The XFL's goal is to make a business of filling the void after the NFL season is over. They are hoping to ride the wave of football enthusiasm. Nothing more, nothing less. AsylumGuido, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta The NFL has been trending towards **** for years. Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success. The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/

02-10-2020, 04:12 PM	#9
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by TheOak Brother, I get it... But by the matrix that matter in business, revenue and profit, their formula is a huge success. The NFL isn't Run - DMC anymore, it's closer to Milli Vanilli... full of fake entertainment. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fl-since-2005/ That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. skymike likes this.
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02-10-2020, 04:36 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. You are going under the assumption that the XFL would ever want to compete with the NFL. That is not going to happen if they ever wish to be viable. To compete they would have to eventually have comparable talent and that would require comparable finances. It would take decades for this to happen. They know that and that is why the only way the league could ever survive would be for it to be a compliment to the NFL, not a competitor to the NFL. XFL players make a salary of $55,000 per season. That's less than the average strength coach makes in the NFL. They are not now, nor ever will be a competitor with the NFL. To be honest, the CFL is the only league that can come close to being able to compete and even they know their place. I'm afraid you need to give up your pipe dream at least in any of our lifetimes.
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