2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

AsylumGuido · 04-12-2020, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Trade Kamara? Now? The Saints are a legitimate SB contender with a 1st ballot HOF QB who is nearing the end of career. The ultimate prize is within reach. If the Saints front office don't intend to pay him what he will expect to receive in his next contract, then retain his services until his contract is expires, then let him go.

What is more valuable here. A unknown @ pick #54 in the upcoming draft or 1 year of AK and a future 3rd rd pick?

AK is Payton's toy. I could be wrong but I just don't see a trade happening with Kamara.

Yup. Pretty much the last thing I could see happening. Given we only have Brees for the near future our best chance is winning now. Why trade an important asset which can contribute to our winning the next couple of Lombardi's for future consideration to be used with a team without their leader (Brees) a couple of years down the road?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

vpheughan · 04-13-2020, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yup. Pretty much the last thing I could see happening. Given we only have Brees for the near future our best chance is winning now. Why trade an important asset which can contribute to our winning the next couple of Lombardi's for future consideration to be used with a team without their leader (Brees) a couple of years down the road?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

WOW, MAKE ME GLAD ALL MY TRADE SUGGESTIONS ARE SIRIUS!!!

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2020, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

WOW, MAKE ME GLAD ALL MY TRADE SUGGESTIONS ARE SIRIUS!!!

Rugby Saint II · 04-14-2020, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Payton loves Kamara’s football IQ. I just don’t see a trade happening either. There isn’t going to be a training camp to hold-out of anyway.

I totally agree Chris. If we do trade him then we have to teach the system to another running back during a shortened off season. Kamara knows the system and excels in it. I just wish Payton would not try to make him into a bell cow.....that's why he was hurt all last year. He is not a feature back but Payton treats him like one.

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 06:24 PM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2020 New Orleans Saints – Special Teams Veterans

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2020), 7 - Taysom Hill (RFA 2020/Tendered First Round)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 44 - Taquan Mizzel, 27o - Dwayne Washington (FA 2020)

FB (1) 46 - Michael Burton (FA 2020), 30 - Ricky Ortiz

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 17 - Emmanuel Butler (RFC 2020), 15 - Maurice Harris (RFC 2020)

WR-S (2) 81 - Krishawn Hogan, 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat (FA 2020), 62 - Nick Easton

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 63 - Cameron Tom (FA 2020)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 64 - Will Clapp

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020)

TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 86 - Jason Vander Laan, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 85 - Cole Wick (RFC 2020), 88 - Mitchell Loewen (RFC 2020)

WR-Z (2) 18 - Emmanuel Sanders (FA 2020), 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Tim White (RFC 2020), 16 - TommyLee Lewis (RFC 2020)

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2020)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown, 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Taylor Stallworth

DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020), 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2020)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 97 - Mario Edwards

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2020), 53 - Chase Hansen

MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 55 - Kaden Elliss

SLB (2) 54 - Kiko Alonso, 51 - Colton Jumper (ERFA 2020)

NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 21 - Patrick Robinson, 00 - Deatrick Nichols (FA 2020)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (RFA 2020)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 48 - J.T. Gray (ERFA 2020), 33 - Saquan Hampton

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins (FA 2020), 36 - D.J. Swearinger (2020 RFA 2020), 31 - Chris Johnson (2020 RFA 2020)

LCB (2) 20 - Janoris Jenkins, P. J. Williams (FA 2020)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (RFA 2020)

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris, 44 - Taquan Mizzel

90-man Roster Count - Total: 70; Offense: 33; Defense: 34; Kicking: 3

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2020)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2020)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2020)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2020)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

jeanpierre · 04-16-2020, 06:49 PM

PFF: Saints Roster, Grades, Snap Counts

Rugby Saint II · 04-18-2020, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

PFF: Saints Roster, Grades, Snap Counts

Damn! Those numbers were very hard to follow in my inebriated state.

Did anyone ever see the movie with Russell Crowe called A Beautiful Mind? That wasn't about me....

K Major · 04-18-2020, 08:17 PM

Saints need another pass rusher opposite Cam J.

jeanpierre · 04-18-2020, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints need another pass rusher opposite Cam J.

That's it. That's priority #1. Look it, you get another long defensive end off top of the draft here's what it does...

First, with enough darts, odds are you're gonna have at least one guy opposite Cam to make the vise work...

Second, Cam's not getting younger and when his production drops off suddenly, you should still have two effective DEs...

Third, you've got contracts coming for Ramczyk, Lattimore - big contracts; then you'll have leverage the following year if Davenport is still having availability problems...

Fourth, you're making a tournament run, you can keep Cam fresh, hell change 'em out like a hockey front line - keep running fresh horses at a tired offensive line...

Fifth, if studs like Epenesa or Gross-Matos are there, those are 10-15 year cornerstones like Cam you can invest a 1st vs speed rushers who tale off in their late 20s...

Sixth, all this secondary talent amassed is just BS if you're giving a playoff QB with a playoff offensive line four-plus seconds to release the ball downfield on 3rd & longs...

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results and for three straight seasons, we ran outta pass rushers in the tournament...

jeanpierre · 04-21-2020, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

But more importantly, we now have 2 playmakers @ WR who hardly drop footballs thrown in their zip code.

Eight, we need at least eight (8) sets of reliable hands between WR, TE and RB to go through the season and the tournament...

Right Now we have six (6) - Michael Thomas, Emmanuel Sander, Jared Cook, Josh Hill, Taysom Hill, Alvin Kamara...

Not having an offseason to evaluate whether Tra'quan Smith is healthy, renewed, or other, that is, is there enough there to trust, puts pressure to take two options in the draft...

04-12-2020, 05:16 PM	#111
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Trade Kamara? Now? The Saints are a legitimate SB contender with a 1st ballot HOF QB who is nearing the end of career. The ultimate prize is within reach. If the Saints front office don't intend to pay him what he will expect to receive in his next contract, then retain his services until his contract is expires, then let him go. What is more valuable here. A unknown @ pick #54 in the upcoming draft or 1 year of AK and a future 3rd rd pick? AK is Payton's toy. I could be wrong but I just don't see a trade happening with Kamara. Yup. Pretty much the last thing I could see happening. Given we only have Brees for the near future our best chance is winning now. Why trade an important asset which can contribute to our winning the next couple of Lombardi's for future consideration to be used with a team without their leader (Brees) a couple of years down the road? It makes no sense whatsoever.

04-13-2020, 07:57 AM	#112
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yup. Pretty much the last thing I could see happening. Given we only have Brees for the near future our best chance is winning now. Why trade an important asset which can contribute to our winning the next couple of Lombardi's for future consideration to be used with a team without their leader (Brees) a couple of years down the road? It makes no sense whatsoever. WOW, MAKE ME GLAD ALL MY TRADE SUGGESTIONS ARE SIRIUS!!!
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04-13-2020, 03:29 PM	#113
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by vpheughan WOW, MAKE ME GLAD ALL MY TRADE SUGGESTIONS ARE SIRIUS!!!

04-14-2020, 02:11 PM	#114
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Payton loves Kamara’s football IQ. I just don’t see a trade happening either. There isn’t going to be a training camp to hold-out of anyway. I totally agree Chris. If we do trade him then we have to teach the system to another running back during a shortened off season. Kamara knows the system and excels in it. I just wish Payton would not try to make him into a bell cow.....that's why he was hurt all last year. He is not a feature back but Payton treats him like one. jeanpierre likes this.

04-16-2020, 06:24 PM	#115
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2020 New Orleans Saints – Special Teams Veterans OFFENSE QB (3) *9 – Drew Brees (FA 2020), 7 - Taysom Hill (RFA 2020/Tendered First Round)* RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 44 - Taquan Mizzel, 27o - Dwayne Washington (FA 2020) FB (1) 46 - Michael Burton (FA 2020), 30 - Ricky Ortiz WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 17 - Emmanuel Butler (RFC 2020), 15 - Maurice Harris (RFC 2020) WR-S (2) 81 - Krishawn Hogan, 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge LG (2) *75 - Andrus Peat (FA 2020), 62 - Nick Easton C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 63 - Cameron Tom (FA 2020)* RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 64 - Will Clapp RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020) TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 86 - Jason Vander Laan, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 85 - Cole Wick (RFC 2020), 88 - Mitchell Loewen (RFC 2020) WR-Z (2) *18 - Emmanuel Sanders (FA 2020), 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Tim White (RFC 2020), 16 - TommyLee Lewis (RFC 2020)* DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2020) NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown, 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Taylor Stallworth DT3 (2) *93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020), 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2020)* LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 97 - Mario Edwards WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2020), 53 - Chase Hansen MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 55 - Kaden Elliss SLB (2) 54 - Kiko Alonso, 51 - Colton Jumper (ERFA 2020) NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 21 - Patrick Robinson, 00 - Deatrick Nichols (FA 2020) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (RFA 2020) FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 48 - J.T. Gray (ERFA 2020), 33 - Saquan Hampton SS (2) *27 - Malcolm Jenkins (FA 2020), 36 - D.J. Swearinger (2020 RFA 2020), 31 - Chris Johnson (2020 RFA 2020)* LCB (2) 20 - Janoris Jenkins, P. J. Williams (FA 2020) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) *49 - Zach Wood (RFA 2020)* RS () 11 - Deonte Harris, 44 - Taquan Mizzel 90-man Roster Count - Total: 70; Offense: 33; Defense: 34; Kicking: 3* KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent (FA 2020) Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2020) Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2020) Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#) Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2020) Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Saints need another pass rusher opposite Cam J. That's it. That's priority #1. Look it, you get another long defensive end off top of the draft here's what it does... First, with enough darts, odds are you're gonna have at least one guy opposite Cam to make the vise work... Second, Cam's not getting younger and when his production drops off suddenly, you should still have two effective DEs... Third, you've got contracts coming for Ramczyk, Lattimore - big contracts; then you'll have leverage the following year if Davenport is still having availability problems... Fourth, you're making a tournament run, you can keep Cam fresh, hell change 'em out like a hockey front line - keep running fresh horses at a tired offensive line... Fifth, if studs like Epenesa or Gross-Matos are there, those are 10-15 year cornerstones like Cam you can invest a 1st vs speed rushers who tale off in their late 20s... Sixth, all this secondary talent amassed is just BS if you're giving a playoff QB with a playoff offensive line four-plus seconds to release the ball downfield on 3rd & longs... Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results and for three straight seasons, we ran outta pass rushers in the tournament... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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04-21-2020, 08:59 PM	#120
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major But more importantly, we now have 2 playmakers @ WR who hardly drop footballs thrown in their zip code. Eight, we need at least eight (8) sets of reliable hands between WR, TE and RB to go through the season and the tournament... Right Now we have six (6) - Michael Thomas, Emmanuel Sander, Jared Cook, Josh Hill, Taysom Hill, Alvin Kamara... Not having an offseason to evaluate whether Tra'quan Smith is healthy, renewed, or other, that is, is there enough there to trust, puts pressure to take two options in the draft...

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