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gosaints1 09-20-2020 12:23 PM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896935)
Because that was his role as given by Payton and Carmichael. Coleman actually played three seasons and was cut. Let's see what Smith does in his third season, okay?
How many seasons does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop?

Ahhh one,

Ahhh two,

Ahhh thrrrrree,

<crunch>

<lightbulb>

Ahhh thrrrrree!

AsylumGuido 09-20-2020 12:32 PM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 896936)
How many seasons does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop?

Ahhh one,

Ahhh two,

Ahhh thrrrrree,

<crunch>

<lightbulb>

Ahhh thrrrrree!
If you are referring to Payton with the pop, then possibly so.

jeanpierre 09-20-2020 11:04 PM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896932)
That IS his role, however. That is far more on Payton and Carmichael than it is on Smith himself. You are far too hung up on draft position. It matters not whether he was drafted in the 1st or undrafted. He is playing the role he is given. With Thomas out his role will undoubtedly change to some degree, as will the role of % most others.

And I have a feeling you are projecting "struggling significantly to get separation" as a reason for few targets. That's why I think it would be a good idea to verify that is indeed a fact by checking out the all 22's. I think you would be surprised how often he is indeed open.
Then why spend a third round pick when you can get that production from an undrafted rookie free agent?

And when you continually blow your Day 1, Day 2 picks on specialized downfield blockers, you limit your success on the field before you even take the field...

Further, look at draft history, most, nearly all All-Pro, HOF talent is gone in the first two days, so it doesn't follow that it doesn't matter where a player is picked; gaffing there eliminates the talent pool from your roster...

All-Pros and HOFers on Day 3 and as UDFA are the outlier, not the norm...

It was a bad pick then, there were better players that met stronger needs for this team, and once again, Payton's weakness is shown as a Draft Manager...

Payton's a great offensive coordinator, but when it comes to personnel decisions, the team really needs a stronger GM who can override Payton on draft day and make the smarter moves...

Belichick wisely listens to counsel; Sean could learn to exercise some humility and understand spreading out the decision making and trusting guys like Ireland to get him the players for success...

st thomas 09-21-2020 08:58 AM
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U know what just made me sick, Keyshawn Johnson just quoted on his show since his nephew isn’t playing tonight he picking the Raiders, f??king bonehead


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K Major 09-21-2020 09:50 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 896975)
Then why spend a third round pick when you can get that production from an undrafted rookie free agent?

And when you continually blow your Day 1, Day 2 picks on specialized downfield blockers, you limit your success on the field before you even take the field...

Further, look at draft history, most, nearly all All-Pro, HOF talent is gone in the first two days, so it doesn't follow that it doesn't matter where a player is picked; gaffing there eliminates the talent pool from your roster...

All-Pros and HOFers on Day 3 and as UDFA are the outlier, not the norm...

It was a bad pick then, there were better players that met stronger needs for this team, and once again, Payton's weakness is shown as a Draft Manager...

Payton's a great offensive coordinator, but when it comes to personnel decisions, the team really needs a stronger GM who can override Payton on draft day and make the smarter moves...

Belichick wisely listens to counsel; Sean could learn to exercise some humility and understand spreading out the decision making and trusting guys like Ireland to get him the players for success...
Some simply won't admit that 3quan was a poor 3rd day draft selection and I'm not sure what to make of this Davenport kid. When he's injured, he's injured and gone for weeks at a time.

This year will be different though … ** welp **, right :rolleyes:?

gosaints1 09-21-2020 10:32 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 897003)
Some simply won't admit that 3quan was a poor 3rd day draft selection and I'm not sure what to make of this Davenport kid. When he's injured, he's injured and gone for weeks at a time.

This year will be different though … ** welp **, right :rolleyes:?
K, I can separate the results from the actual move/trade/pick. With Davenport, I liked the move then, still like the aggressiveness to this day. It may not turn out well, when all has been said and done, but I did/do like the aggressive nature that got him here..., and I see why the team was high on him.

Bottom line though is two firsts is expensive, very expensive, and he will be judged to that price. Fair or not. Anybody who says: “he isn’t even worth one first, much less two” is somebody who I understand where they are coming from. I truly do hope he gets on the field soon, very soon, stays there through the playoffs and shuts all of us who are worried over him up. That’s up to him, ball (literally) is in his court.

TS pick isn’t as worrisome to me as the Davenport trade. Specifically targeting an individual, and moving forward with acquiring him using more than one first round picks just isn’t the same as sitting at 91 and picking the WR you like, or best player available on your board. The latter is a “meh, let’s see” pick and the former is a “this guy we gotta have” pick.

K Major 09-21-2020 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 897005)
K, I can separate the results from the actual move/trade/pick. With Davenport, I liked the move then, still like the aggressiveness to this day. It may not turn out well, when all has been said and done, but I did/do like the aggressive nature that got him here..., and I see why the team was high on him.

Bottom line though is two firsts is expensive, very expensive, and he will be judged to that price. Fair or not. Anybody who says: “he isn’t even worth one first, much less two” is somebody who I understand where they are coming from. I truly do hope he gets on the field soon, very soon, stays there through the playoffs and shuts all of us who are worried over him up. That’s up to him, ball (literally) is in his court.
I absolutely respect Davenport's ability … when he is on the field however he's been inactive for about 40% of his time in New Orleans. #1 draft picks do not survive long in this league if they are barely on the field.

Remember, both of his injuries happened towards the end of the seasons playoff run & the pass rush basically disappeared.

The interesting indicator here will be whether the Saints pick up the 5th year option.

And I agree, hopefully he sees the field soon.

jeanpierre 09-21-2020 11:00 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 897003)
Some simply won't admit that 3quan was a poor 3rd day draft selection and I'm not sure what to make of this Davenport kid. When he's injured, he's injured and gone for weeks at a time.

This year will be different though … ** welp **, right :rolleyes:?
Not to be a jerk, but he was a 3rd round, 2nd Day Pick - the ones you really have to make count...

K Major 09-21-2020 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 897007)
Not to be a jerk, but he was a 3rd round, 2nd Day Pick - the ones you really have to make count...
Acknowledged/confirmed.

jeanpierre 09-21-2020 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 897005)
K, I can separate the results from the actual move/trade/pick. With Davenport, I liked the move then, still like the aggressiveness to this day. It may not turn out well, when all has been said and done, but I did/do like the aggressive nature that got him here..., and I see why the team was high on him.

Bottom line though is two firsts is expensive, very expensive, and he will be judged to that price. Fair or not. Anybody who says: “he isn’t even worth one first, much less two” is somebody who I understand where they are coming from. I truly do hope he gets on the field soon, very soon, stays there through the playoffs and shuts all of us who are worried over him up. That’s up to him, ball (literally) is in his court.

TS pick isn’t as worrisome to me as the Davenport trade. Specifically targeting an individual, and moving forward with acquiring him using more than one first round picks just isn’t the same as sitting at 91 and picking the WR you like, or best player available on your board. The latter is a “meh, let’s see” pick and the former is a “this guy we gotta have” pick.
For me, I constantly compare Ohio St. prospect, now Cincinnati Bengal DE Sam Hubbard, Round 3, Pick No. 77 in the same draft as Davenport...

Davenport may have a slight edge in recorded pressures according to services like PFF, but compare their career stats...

Davenport 53 Tot Tkl; 10.5 Sacks; 4 FF; 0 FR; 2 PD; 0 DTD

Hubbard 115 Tot Tkl; 14.5 Sacks; 2 FF; 1 FR; 5 PD; 1 DTD

That's Two First and a Fifth vs the investment of a 3rd Round pick...

I like Davenport, even have him on my FF team; and the same with Ingram; but I hated the poor draft management of spending multiple picks when you can find that rookie contract production down the line...

And, whether those who disagree about Davenport the player, you can directly attribute further multipick moves down the line to that overspend on Davenport (McCoy, Ruiz, Baun, Trautman)...

The draft history is there; unfortunately, Payton still has yet to respect the history to learn from it...

AsylumGuido 09-21-2020 11:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 897006)
I absolutely respect Davenport's ability … when he is on the field however he's been inactive for about 40% of his time in New Orleans. #1 draft picks do not survive long in this league if they are barely on the field.

Remember, both of his injuries happened towards the end of the seasons playoff run & the pass rush basically disappeared.

The interesting indicator here will be whether the Saints pick up the 5th year option.

And I agree, hopefully he sees the field soon.
You seem to be blaming Davenport for suffering an injury. Injuries are and always have been part of the game. Just this weekend several very high profile players suffered injuries. It is unfortunate, but all part of the game. Nobody knows what can happen in practice or during a game. It is a matter of luck.

By the way, tonight's game will be the 37th game including playoffs that Davenport has been on the Saints roster and he played in 28 of those. That means he was only inactive for 24.3% of those games due to injury. And don't forget that fellow 1st rounder Sheldon Rankins was injured for SEVEN games alone last season during that same playoff stretch run. It wasn't all on Davenport.

You might as well get pissed at Michael Thomas for having his ankle rolled up on or at Drew Brees for getting his thumb injured last season. I can understand disappointment, but getting angry over a player injury is not logical. It is no different than getting angry at a coin being tossed and coming up tails three times in a row while wanting it to be heads. It is not the coins fault. It is dumb luck.

K Major 09-21-2020 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 897011)
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It is no different than getting angry at a coin being tossed and coming up tails three times in a row while wanting it to be heads. It is not the coins fault. It is dumb luck.
Yeah dumb luck.

AG - Davenport is injury prone until he is no longer injury prone.

AsylumGuido 09-21-2020 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 897016)
Yeah dumb luck.

AG - Davenport is injury prone until he is no longer injury prone.
He has had some bad luck. Let me give you a comparison ... Frank Gore. Gore only played a full 16 game schedule once in his first six years. He was being labeled by some as injury prone. A funny thing happened though ... over his next ten seasons he has missed only TWO games. What happened to those injuries that he was "proned" to? I'll tell you what happened. His luck changed and he is very likely to end up in the Hall of Fame.

Actually, every player in the NFL is injury prone because the very nature of the game creates events that are prone to causing injury on any given play in a game or in practice.

I will give you that some players can be more prone than others to a specific type of injury, as well. Luke Kuechly, for example, was prone to concussions. Other players have dealt with hamstring issues their entire careers. Davenport, however, has missed time to three totally unrelated injuries. Yes. Just dumb luck.

Rugby Saint II 09-21-2020 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 897010)
For me, I constantly compare Ohio St. prospect, now Cincinnati Bengal DE Sam Hubbard, Round 3, Pick No. 77 in the same draft as Davenport...

Davenport may have a slight edge in recorded pressures according to services like PFF, but compare their career stats...

Davenport 53 Tot Tkl; 10.5 Sacks; 4 FF; 0 FR; 2 PD; 0 DTD

Hubbard 115 Tot Tkl; 14.5 Sacks; 2 FF; 1 FR; 5 PD; 1 DTD

That's Two First and a Fifth vs the investment of a 3rd Round pick...

I like Davenport, even have him on my FF team; and the same with Ingram; but I hated the poor draft management of spending multiple picks when you can find that rookie contract production down the line...

And, whether those who disagree about Davenport the player, you can directly attribute further multipick moves down the line to that overspend on Davenport (McCoy, Ruiz, Baun, Trautman)...

The draft history is there; unfortunately, Payton still has yet to respect the history to learn from it...
JP, the thing is that we have a stocked roster and all the cut draft picks just end up on another teams roster. Payton has a vision! His team is loaded and he's looking for a few more dominant draft picks to complete the roster. I'm fine with trading picks to get the missing parts of the puzzle. Davenport is exciting as hell to watch and he is an impact player when he is on the field.

Remember ya'll. He didn't have a substantial injury history before coming here. I thought and still think it was a solid gamble. I've always said that Davenport will make us forget the cost but injuries might have to make me rethink that position. I hope he gets his unrelated injuries in check this year.

jeanpierre 09-21-2020 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 897021)
JP, the thing is that we have a stocked roster and all the cut draft picks just end up on another teams roster. Payton has a vision! His team is loaded and he's looking for a few more dominant draft picks to complete the roster. I'm fine with trading picks to get the missing parts of the puzzle. Davenport is exciting as hell to watch and he is an impact player when he is on the field.

Remember ya'll. He didn't have a substantial injury history before coming here. I thought and still think it was a solid gamble. I've always said that Davenport will make us forget the cost but injuries might have to make me rethink that position. I hope he gets his unrelated injuries in check this year.
Rugs, look back through my posts, I believe I've made a strong case; this roster would've been even more talented, and we'd had cap space to boot...

Consider this, please - look at the previous post, could you imagine if we'd had Sam Hubbard opposite Cam Jordan the last two playoff tournaments while Davenport was out? Consider that.

And I'll repeat what I said about injury history; there's some great talent in the non-Major Conferences...

But when you have players (SEC, ACC, Big10) who play 10+ games vs other future pro talent, you can check for durability as well as talent...

And I genuinely like Davenport and am as frustrated for him as anybody, but it's the constant reaching that's killing us...

AsylumGuido 09-21-2020 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 897029)
Rugs, look back through my posts, I believe I've made a strong case; this roster would've been even more talented, and we'd had cap space to boot...

Consider this, please - look at the previous post, could you imagine if we'd had Sam Hubbard opposite Cam Jordan the last two playoff tournaments while Davenport was out? Consider that.

And I'll repeat what I said about injury history; there's some great talent in the non-Major Conferences...

But when you have players (SEC, ACC, Big10) who play 10+ games vs other future pro talent, you can check for durability as well as talent...
Can you guarantee that Hubbard wouldn't have been injured, as well? He could have been in the same place at the same time as Davenport and suffered the same, or worse, injury. You never know in the NFL if or when an injury might occur. Christian McCaffrey is going to be out for several weeks. Saquon Barkley is out for the season. Neither had a history of injuries and both played bigtime college ball. Courtland Sutton out for the season. Drew Lock out for several games. Nick Bosa out for the year. Jimmy Garoppolo with a high ankle sprain. Parris Campbell, Cam Akers, Breshad Perriman, Byron Jones, Sterling Shepard, Soloman Thomas, Malik Hooker, George Kittle, Michael Thomas ... all have suffered injuries thus far. It is part of the game.

Edit: Add Anthony Barr to that list with a torn pectoral. Tavon Young and Bruce Irvin with torn ACL's. 49er's Raheem Mostert and Tevin Coleman both with knee injuries.

Edit Deux: Add Brandon Scherff with a sprained MCL. Out 3-5 weeks.

vpheughan 09-21-2020 02:11 PM
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COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A AND WHAT IF WILL NEVER CHANGE WHAT IS!

jeanpierre 09-21-2020 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 897031)
Can you guarantee that Hubbard wouldn't have been injured, as well? He could have been in the same place at the same time as Davenport and suffered the same, or worse, injury. You never know in the NFL if or when an injury might occur. Christian McCaffrey is going to be out for several weeks. Saquon Barkley is out for the season. Neither had a history of injuries and both played bigtime college ball. Courtland Sutton out for the season. Drew Lock out for several games. Nick Bosa out for the year. Jimmy Garoppolo with a high ankle sprain. Parris Campbell, Cam Akers, Breshad Perriman, Byron Jones, Sterling Shepard, Soloman Thomas, Malik Hooker, George Kittle, Michael Thomas ... all have suffered injuries thus far. It is part of the game.

Edit: Add Anthony Barr to that list with a torn pectoral. Tavon Young and Bruce Irvin with torn ACL's. 49er's Raheem Mostert and Tevin Coleman both with knee injuries.

Edit Deux: Add Brandon Scherff with a sprained MCL. Out 3-5 weeks.
Read my post(s); at least there's a history durability against playing ProTalent each week with Hubbard; who faced a more physical schedule than Davenport had in the one year he flashed...

And Hubbard didn't cost two first rounders and a fifth; if you take Hubbard with a third, you still have at least two more picks where you can expand your depth at that position for injuries...

AsylumGuido 09-21-2020 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 897044)
Read my post(s); at least there's a history durability, playing ProTalent each week with Hubbard, who faced a more physical schedule than Davenport had in the one year he flashed...

And Hubbard didn't cost two first rounders and a fifth; if you take Hubbard with a third, you still have at least two more picks where you can expand your depth at that position for injuries...
And there is no guarantee that those two first rounders would have had as much impact as Davenport can still provide, right?

Our friend out there is pretty ... strange ... but he is right about one thing ... would'a, could'a, should'a is meaningless and a waste of time and effort.

https://blackandgold.com/u/4973-albu...icture1300.jpg

;)

jeanpierre 09-21-2020 05:11 PM
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I see I made my case...

gosaints1 09-21-2020 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 897049)
I see I made my case...
It’s a legit case. Two firsts shouldn’t be a “gamble”. It should be a known commodity, and it should be proven year after year in their rookie contract.

AsylumGuido 09-21-2020 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 897049)
I see I made my case...
Sorry, I totally missed your case? I saw the attempt, but I saw nothing made.

Point out what I missed, JP.

:D

Oh, by the way ...

Who Dat!!!

:bng:

jeanpierre 09-21-2020 07:10 PM
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2020 New Orleans Saints – Week 2: New Orleans Saints @ Las Vegas Raiders

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2020), 7 - Taysom Hill (RFA 2020/Tendered R1), 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2020)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2020) *OUT, 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (PS 2020)

FB (1) 32 - Michael Burton (FA 2020)

WR-X (2) 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 12 - Marquez Callaway (UDFA 2020), 13 - Michael Thomas *OUT

WR-S (1) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2020), 80 - Austin Carr (PS 2020), 83 - Juwan Johnson (PS 2020), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (PS 2020)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, *74 - James Hurst (FA 2020)

LG (1) 75 - Andrus Peat (FA 2020), 65 - John Leglue (PS 2020)

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 51 - Cesar Ruiz (R1P24, #24) *FP, 63 - Cameron Tom (PS 2020)

RG (2) 62 - Nick Easton, 64 - Will Clapp *OUT, 66 - Calvin Throckmorton (PS 2020)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020)

TE (3) 89 - Josh Hill, 87 - Jared Cook, 82 - Adam Trautman (R3P41, #105), 85 - Tommy Stevens (R7P26, #240/PS 2020), 45 - Garrett Griffin (PS 2020)

WR-Z (2) 17 - Emmanuel Sanders (FA 2020), 16 - Bennie Fowler (PS 2020) *ACTIVE


DEFENSE

RDE (3) 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 96 - Carl Granderson, 92 - Marcus Davenport *OUT

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown, 99 - Shy Tuttle

DT3 (3) 93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020), 97 - Malcolm Roach (UDFA 2020), 98 - Sheldon Rankins

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 95 - Margus Hunt (PS 2020) *ACTIVE

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 50 - Andrew Dowell (PS 2020)

MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 42 - Chase Hansen *OUT, 46 - Joe Bachie (PS 2020)

SLB (2) 55 - Kaden Elliss, 53 - Zach Baun (R3P10, #74), *54 - Kiko Alonso (FA 2020) *PUP, 59 - Marcus Willoughby (PS 2020)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (RFA 2020), 38 - Keith Washington (PS 2020)

NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 26 - P. J. Williams (FA 2020) *FP

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams, 48 - J.T. Gray (ERFA 2020)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins (FA 2020), 36 - D.J. Swearinger (2020 RFA 2020) *OUT

LCB (2) 20 - Janoris Jenkins, 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Kemon Hall (PS 2020)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (RFA 2020)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris


53-man Roster Count - Total: 53; Offense: 24; Defense: 25; Kicking: 4


Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

74 - James Hurst (FA 2020)


Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform

54 - Kiko Alonso (FA 2020)


Reserve/Injured

29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA 2020)

77 - Jalen Dalton (FA 2020)

4 - Blake Gillikin (UDFA 2020)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

57 - Noah Spence (FA 2020)


Reserve/Opt-Out

85 - Cole Wick (FA 2020)

86 - Jason Vander Lann (FA 2020)




KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2020)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2020)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2020)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2020)

Practice Squad (PS 2020)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

ChrisXVI 09-22-2020 06:56 PM
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K Major 09-22-2020 07:46 PM
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Zach Baun …

Don't think he played a snap last night.

ChrisXVI 09-24-2020 04:05 PM
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A few thoughts regarding Tre’Quan Smith...

He looked great Monday and do you know why? He’s at his best as the X receiver, which just happens to be Michael Thomas’s role. Anywhere else and he’s a square peg in a round hole.

Also, we criticize Smith’s lack of involvement but consider a veteran like Emmanuel Sanders... he was traded mid-season last year and immediately contributed to his new team as their #1 WR. He signs with us this year and with the same lack of opportunity to get practice reps with Brees thanks to COVID, he’s still trying to learn the playbook.

ChrisXVI 09-24-2020 07:26 PM
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So since Margus Hunt and Bennie Fowler can’t be called up from the practice squad for game day again without being signed to the active roster... who do we call up this week?

jeanpierre 09-25-2020 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 897739)
So since Margus Hunt and Bennie Fowler can’t be called up from the practice squad for game day again without being signed to the active roster... who do we call up this week?
Don't see how they don't promote Margus Hunt to the active roster as well as he's played and as important as he was in spelling Jordan...

If Davenport is a full-go, they'll see how long he plays until he gets nicked and has to shut down again, wouldn't take that chance at this point...

Not sure we need OL Kelly on the Active Roster...

jeanpierre 09-25-2020 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 897597)
Zach Baun …

Don't think he played a snap last night.
Yeah, reports out of camp were that he was going to be the starter until Kiko came back; guess Saints were fibbing on that one as well; he does have an injury history, and we know how transparent Payton is...

jeanpierre 09-25-2020 10:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 897726)
A few thoughts regarding Tre’Quan Smith...

He looked great Monday and do you know why? He’s at his best as the X receiver, which just happens to be Michael Thomas’s role. Anywhere else and he’s a square peg in a round hole.

Also, we criticize Smith’s lack of involvement but consider a veteran like Emmanuel Sanders... he was traded mid-season last year and immediately contributed to his new team as their #1 WR. He signs with us this year and with the same lack of opportunity to get practice reps with Brees thanks to COVID, he’s still trying to learn the playbook.
Felt he ran his routes very tentatively, think I even remarked he looked like an old man running routes, not because of speed, he just was not fluid at all...

Using two picks to acquire one player has been problematic at some positions; you'd think as prolific a passing team as the Saints have been, the ProScout side could identify best-fit WR FA candidates...

jeanpierre 09-25-2020 10:14 AM
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2020 New Orleans Saints – Week 3: New Orleans Saints vs Green Bay Packers (Final Injury Report Disclosures)

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2020), 7 - Taysom Hill (RFA 2020/Tendered R1), 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2020)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2020), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (PS 2020)

FB (1) 32 - Michael Burton (FA 2020)

WR-X (2) 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 12 - Marquez Callaway (UDFA 2020), 13 - Michael Thomas *OUT

WR-S (1) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2020) *QUESTIONABLE, 80 - Austin Carr (PS 2020), 83 - Juwan Johnson (PS 2020), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (PS 2020)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead *LP, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, *74 - James Hurst (FA 2020)

LG (1) 75 - Andrus Peat (FA 2020), 65 - John Leglue (PS 2020)

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 51 - Cesar Ruiz (R1P24, #24) *FP, 63 - Cameron Tom (PS 2020)

RG (2) 62 - Nick Easton, 64 - Will Clapp, 66 - Calvin Throckmorton (PS 2020)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020)

TE (3) 89 - Josh Hill, 87 - Jared Cook, 82 - Adam Trautman (R3P41, #105), 85 - Tommy Stevens (R7P26, #240/PS 2020), 45 - Garrett Griffin (PS 2020)

WR-Z (2) 17 - Emmanuel Sanders (FA 2020), 16 - Bennie Fowler (PS 2020)


DEFENSE

RDE (3) 91 - Trey Hendrickson *QUESTIONABLE, 96 - Carl Granderson, 92 - Marcus Davenport *QUESTIONABLE

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown *LP, 99 - Shy Tuttle

DT3 (3) 93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020) *QUESTIONABLE, 97 - Malcolm Roach (UDFA 2020), 98 - Sheldon Rankins

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 95 - Margus Hunt (PS 2020)

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 50 - Andrew Dowell (PS 2020)

MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 46 - Joe Bachie (PS 2020), 42 - Chase Hansen *OUT

SLB (2) 55 - Kaden Elliss, 53 - Zach Baun (R3P10, #74), *54 - Kiko Alonso (FA 2020) *PUP, 59 - Marcus Willoughby (PS 2020)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (RFA 2020), 38 - Keith Washington (PS 2020)

NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 26 - P. J. Williams (FA 2020)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams, 48 - J.T. Gray (ERFA 2020)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins (FA 2020), 36 - D.J. Swearinger (2020 RFA 2020)

LCB (2) 20 - Janoris Jenkins, 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Kemon Hall (PS 2020)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (RFA 2020)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris


53-man Roster Count - Total: 53; Offense: 24; Defense: 25; Kicking: 4


Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

74 - James Hurst (FA 2020)


Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform

54 - Kiko Alonso (FA 2020)


Reserve/Injured

29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA 2020)

77 - Jalen Dalton (FA 2020)

4 - Blake Gillikin (UDFA 2020)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

57 - Noah Spence (FA 2020)


Reserve/Opt-Out

85 - Cole Wick (FA 2020)

86 - Jason Vander Lann (FA 2020)




KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2020)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2020)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2020)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2020)

Practice Squad (PS 2020)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

K Major 09-25-2020 10:22 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 897765)
Felt he ran his routes very tentatively, think I even remarked he looked like an old man running routes, not because of speed, he just was not fluid at all...

Using two picks to acquire one player has been problematic at some positions; you'd think as prolific a passing team as the Saints have been, the ProScout side could identify best-fit WR FA candidates...

Anything 3quan does in a positive manner is lagniappe for me.

jeanpierre 09-25-2020 01:57 PM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

K Major 09-25-2020 04:07 PM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
*** Didn't see it mentioned so here you go ...


Field Yates
@FieldYates
The Saints are bringing in a familiar face for a visit in CB Ken Crawley. He was with the team from 2016-2019 and was most recently released by the Cardinals earlier this month.
3:42 PM · Sep 25, 2020

ChrisXVI 09-26-2020 03:42 PM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

jeanpierre 09-27-2020 12:05 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 897848)
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Clapp just seemed to lack that nasty streak/genuine functional strength - but he played with great technique, very coachable...

He should take a year off, go to Japan, and take up Sumo Wrestling, see if he can improve the functional strength and leverage issues...

jeanpierre 09-27-2020 12:13 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2020 New Orleans Saints – Week 3: New Orleans Saints vs Green Bay Packers (Week 3 Roster Moves)

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2020), 7 - Taysom Hill (RFA 2020/Tendered R1), 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2020)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2020), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (PS 2020)

FB (1) 32 - Michael Burton (FA 2020)

WR-X (3) 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 12 - Marquez Callaway (UDFA 2020), 13 - Michael Thomas *OUT

WR-S (0) 80 - Austin Carr (PS 2020), 83 - Juwan Johnson (PS 2020), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (PS 2020)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead *LP, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, *74 - James Hurst (FA 2020)

LG (1) 75 - Andrus Peat (FA 2020), 65 - John Leglue (PS 2020)

C (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz (R1P24, #24) *FP, 62 - Nick Easton, 63 - Cameron Tom (PS 2020)

RG (1) 78 - Erik McCoy, 66 - Calvin Throckmorton (PS 2020)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020)

TE (3) 89 - Josh Hill, 87 - Jared Cook, 82 - Adam Trautman (R3P41, #105), 85 - Tommy Stevens (R7P26, #240/PS 2020), 45 - Garrett Griffin (PS 2020)

WR-Z (2) 17 - Emmanuel Sanders (FA 2020), 16 - Bennie Fowler (FA 2020)


DEFENSE

RDE (3) 91 - Trey Hendrickson *QUESTIONABLE, 96 - Carl Granderson, 92 - Marcus Davenport *QUESTIONABLE

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown *LP, 99 - Shy Tuttle

DT3 (3) 93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020) *QUESTIONABLE, 97 - Malcolm Roach (UDFA 2020), 98 - Sheldon Rankins

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 95 - Margus Hunt (FA 2020)

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 50 - Andrew Dowell (PS 2020)

MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 46 - Joe Bachie (PS 2020), 42 - Chase Hansen *OUT

SLB (2) 55 - Kaden Elliss, 53 - Zach Baun (R3P10, #74), *54 - Kiko Alonso (FA 2020) *PUP, 59 - Marcus Willoughby (PS 2020)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (RFA 2020), 38 - Keith Washington (PS 2020)

NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 26 - P. J. Williams (FA 2020)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams, 48 - J.T. Gray (ERFA 2020)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins (FA 2020), 36 - D.J. Swearinger (2020 RFA 2020)

LCB (2) 20 - Janoris Jenkins, 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Kemon Hall (PS 2020)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (RFA 2020)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris


53-man Roster Count - Total: 53; Offense: 23; Defense: 26; Kicking: 4


Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

74 - James Hurst (FA 2020)


Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform

54 - Kiko Alonso (FA 2020)


Reserve/Injured

29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA 2020)

77 - Jalen Dalton (FA 2020)

4 - Blake Gillikin (UDFA 2020)

88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2020)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

57 - Noah Spence (FA 2020)


Reserve/Opt-Out

85 - Cole Wick (FA 2020)

86 - Jason Vander Lann (FA 2020)




KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2020)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2020)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2020)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2020)

Practice Squad (PS 2020)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

FinSaint 09-27-2020 06:27 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
It'll be interesting to see if Ruiz starts and whether he plays center or guard.

st thomas 09-27-2020 06:37 AM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 897880)
It'll be interesting to see if Ruiz starts and whether he plays center or guard.

There going to get him in , where is the question I wondering also. I want to see Baun hopefully he can play Mike because I’m fed up with Fabio , the guy looked loss against the raiders .


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jeanpierre 09-27-2020 02:34 PM
Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 897880)
It'll be interesting to see if Ruiz starts and whether he plays center or guard.
Saints are playing that one close to the vest...


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