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are you referencing the mystical visual speed? looks faster.. https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=30297 Jimmy Graham | TE | Miami (FL) - NFL Combine Results |
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So "UDFA training camp beasts" at WR position all over again. lol
Deepest draft at WR position maybe ever and you draft zero WRs... Liked first two picks. This guy in 3rd round better be much more than blocking TE... |
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I do like the LB pick and the TE you mentioned, he caught 178 passes for over 2000 yards so seems more than a blocking TE. |
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Either way I like the look of the kid. I hope he works put. He is definitely going to be a redzone weapon. Not sure you trade 4 picks, but sure we can pretend that's good, I guess. |
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If they had those 3 picks rated top 40 if ( available )on there board man that’s awesome but compared to the 31 other boards I like to have that info.
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Per Larry Holder
It took 84 points for that pick and we gave up 76 |
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Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman...
Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger... Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs... But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman... And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE? Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun is a 3-4 JACK, not a 4-3 SAM... And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent... Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson? Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given... Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged... But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room... No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight - complacency - when this team needs a fire lit under its arse... |
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First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden...
But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails, in a number of areas, to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster... I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland... |
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While giving up that many picks seems a lot - it's right on value (slightly undervalue) according to the trade chart. |
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As a side note, 65%, on average, of draft picks do not make the final roster and that includes picks made in the first two days. It's probably closer to 85% of players drafted in the final four rounds that fail to make a roster. Odds are we gave up nothing of value to get a potential starter. Not bad at all.
Of course, for those into the draft as an event, I can see the disappointment. It's entertaining to see who we pick late even if there little to no chance of them making the squad. |
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if we end up with 3 starters than we win . Its going to depend on Cesar, baun, and trautman |
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Not Saints related but Baltimore is absolutely killing this draft.
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We actually seem to do much better with UDFA's than with late round picks, anyway. |
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Im sure with them moving up to get Baun they have a vision for him in that defense. I think they've learned from years prior. Trautman like some one said last night is reminiscing of a old school 50/50 tight end. Im not thrilled about him but im not pissed either. |
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Baun may allow us to alter our defense week to week (or playoff to playoff game) based on match-ups - the only problem with that theory is the cognitive abilities of Dennis Allen... |
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After 2017, probably our best draft class during the Payton era was 2006; now look at the draft haul of the Day 3 talent vs the Day 1 and Day 2 talent... Day 1 Rd 1, Pick No. 2, RB Reggie Bush, USC Day 2 Rd 2, Pick No. 43, SS Roman Harper, Bama Day 3 Rd 4, Pick No. 108, RG Jahri Evans, Bloomsburg Rd 5, Pick No. 135 DE Rob Ninkovich, Purdue Rd 6, Pick No. 171 WR Mike Hass, Oregon State Rd 6, Pick No. 174 CB Josh Lay, Pittsburgh Rd 7, Pick No. 210 RT Zach Strief, Northwestern Rd 7, Pick No. 252 WR Marques Colston, Hofstra As you can see the Day 3 haul has a likely HOFer, two more ProBowlers (for what that's worth), and a key DE on two Patriot Superbowl Winning Teams... You're right that there's so many factors that go into success in the draft, but having more darts for the dart board gives you more chances at a bullseye in the draft... |
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A Tight End getting a call from Sean Payton and the Saints offense? I bet he was...
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Easy on the navy JP I just watched midway last week[emoji40] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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