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WillMacKenzie 06-29-2020 10:18 AM

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I'm slow, set aside the NFL for a minute and explain to me how tv networks get their money to pay the NFL?

If I contracted the NFL to cater a benefit I was having for my cancer foundation, and they showed up with highly controversial staff and subpar food, how is that going to help me recoup my money? Surely we would have to negotiate something.

Maybe it's in the contract that the NFL can do whatever they want and the networks have to televise their latest social campaigns. Many businesses are far too eager to pontificate and change logos at the drop of dime, so that could be the case with the networks too, so I could be wrong in assuming advertisers would even care in the first place. In which case, whatever, we aren't operating in rational times anyway.

burningmetal 06-29-2020 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 891493)
I still like you, Guido, really. I've gotten great vibes, and I know you're real. Burningmetals a long haired hippy, who probably still thinks Pink Floyd is brilliant. But he raises a good question. Its all good. We're all growing here.

lol... You kinda got the long hair right (not really that long compared to what it used to be a few years ago). But I'm no hippie, and I never cared for Pink Floyd, nor was I alive when they were still popular. :P

burningmetal 06-29-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 891493)
+1
I dont know, Guido. There's something b*llsh*tty about the crux of your post here. So you're making a list of posters who are put off by the player's BS enough to say "enough," and then you'll be, what? shaming them, if they watch a highlight
afterwards? For who for what? We're all free agents here. Football is not God. I've been more worshipful and devout to Football. That should tell you something.

If you need to believe Im a lone wolf, you should. You must have lost your mind, when they told you about Santa.
I still like you, Guido, really. I've gotten great vibes, and I know you're real. Burningmetals a long haired hippy, who probably still thinks Pink Floyd is brilliant. But he raises a good question. Its all good. We're all growing here.
It still is, as this board is populated with a larger number of grownups. Always worth your time to read, and comment.

Guido, this is not a bus, and you're not driving. If people want to get on, or get off, or stick a feather up their butt and call it macaroni, bobby brown says its their provocative. But I'm glad you aksed.

I really dont know what kind of core sample you'll get here for your research.

But you see, I'm not scared. Football WAS my religion, and the only color I ever cared was the jersey. But when I found out the true colors of the players, and their hostages, like Brees, I guess I saw the clay feet of my idols. Something has called me away.

I lived without football an entire season, when Kapersh*t did his ignorance a couple years ago, and I had a great time without it. Its not like the NFL is that watchable anymore.

I'm prepared to do so again. But, yes, I can qualify that. Its my right to get off or on your bus at Will. So here goes:

IF the players stand for the National Anthem with their hands over their hearts AND SING THE ANTHEM acapella for the stadium. AND if they make a very large donation to organizations which support the families of fallen police officers, AND they publicly apologize to the Police (the ones in blue, not Stewart, Andy & Sting), for slandering them, AND the NFLPA goes on record to recommend the resitting of the statues of Robert E. Lee and the flag of Mississippi, and also state that the Confederate Battle Flag is an acceptable historic display in public places, and that Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben are respected and acceptable trademarks, which should be re-instated, and that no one in this freakin country owes anyone anything, except the right to go out and work and succeed, , ,

then, count me to come back Marching In That Number, dressed as the insane, ridiculous fan, many people on this board remember me as, and I'll be, again, just a small part of that home field advantage, and I'll Live and Die Saints, and I'll organize tailgates, and roadies, and boils, and Saints gear will be my second skin, and I'll invite everyone in town to watch all the games as a party, and I'll again hire a freakin JAZZ BAND (all of whom happen to be black), out of my own pocket, in order to inspire the whole town to join our awesome party.

Otherwise my answer is (and you can send a private investigator to monitor)
NO. I will not be watching the Saints or any NFL game, and probably not any sport, outside of Rodeo.

There really are a lot of fun things to do on a beautiful Fall Day. I can send you a brochure. I live on a ranch, for starters.

As of now, I am not an NFL Fan, nor am I a Saints Fan.

Back to the point, I agree with you. If people are still entertained by this sham of a league, who am I to tell them what to do with their time? I don't care if people watch. I'll say that I don't understand how anyone can find pleasure or enjoyment out of the NFL, anymore, but it is what it is.

For me, though, like you, I see the true colors of the members of this league and the level of disgust I feel makes it impossible for me to feel a sense of connection with the team. To me, that's the whole point of being a fan, is you develop an emotional connection where you identify with that team. I'm not entertained by watching sport for the sake of sport. So I am no longer a fan, and will not watch.

Why should I, or you, or anyone need to justify that to any particular person? And why do we need to be part of a majority in order for our personal convictions to be validated? It's not an election. That some people are offended that others won't watch (but claim they don't care if we watch) shows some kind of wild insecurity in them.

AsylumGuido 06-29-2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 891535)
I'm slow, set aside the NFL for a minute and explain to me how tv networks get their money to pay the NFL?

If I contracted the NFL to cater a benefit I was having for my cancer foundation, and they showed up with highly controversial staff and subpar food, how is that going to help me recoup my money? Surely we would have to negotiate something.

Maybe it's in the contract that the NFL can do whatever they want and the networks have to televise their latest social campaigns. Many businesses are far too eager to pontificate and change logos at the drop of dime, so that could be the case with the networks too, so I could be wrong in assuming advertisers would even care in the first place. In which case, whatever, we aren't operating in rational times anyway.

I'll bite. TV networks get almost all of their money from advertisers. Has it occurred to you that advertisers are the very reason WHY the NFL has changed their stance? Corporations all across the country are coming to terms that not following along with the prevalent wave of awareness will hurt their bottom lines. That's why so many have changed their televised advertising to reflect the same. They wouldn't want to advertise during NFL broadcasts if the league wasn't on the same page. That makes sense. The NFL is in the entertainment business. They make most of that business income off broadcasting contracts. The networks could easily be putting the pressure on the league to conform to their and the advertiser's liberal ideals.

I fear you have had the tail wagging the dog in your line of thinking.

;)

AsylumGuido 06-29-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 891540)
Back to the point, I agree with you. If people are still entertained by this sham of a league, who am I to tell them what to do with their time? I don't care if people watch. I'll say that I don't understand how anyone can find pleasure or enjoyment out of the NFL, anymore, but it is what it is.

For me, though, like you, I see the true colors of the members of this league and the level of disgust I feel makes it impossible for me to feel a sense of connection with the team. To me, that's the whole point of being a fine, is you develop an emotional connection where you identify with that team. I'm not entertained by watching sport for the sake of sport. So I am no longer a fan, and will not watch.

Why should I, or you, or anyone need to justify that to any particular person? And why do we need to be part of a majority in order for our personal convictions to be validated? It's not an election. That some people are offended that others won't watch (but claim they don't care if we watch) shows some kind of wild insecurity in them.

I repeat ... I don't care if you watch or not. Honestly. Nor do I care for the reasons WHY you no longer care to watch. Unless you were one of the the few who claimed that the NFL would lose substantial revenue due to people refusing to watch, for whatever reason, then the point of this thread does not apply to you at all. It has NOTHING to do with your personal convictions. If one's personal convictions led them to toss a thimble of red chalk powder into the air every evening, it does not mean that they will change the color of the blue sky, whether they believe so or not.

skymike 06-29-2020 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 891537)
lol... You kinda got the long hair right (not really that long compared to what it used to be a few years ago). But I'm no hippie, and I never cared for Pink Floyd, nor was I alive when they were still popular. :P

lolol... you werent alive during Pink Floyd? Good Lord you are so young... thats so cute.

I knew I'd have some fun w/ you. I used to get called a hippie too, because of my old hair. people assumed i toked. ha! I had to finally poke my supervisor in the side and signal him that he didnt have to protect me from drug tests. unless they were testing for Tennessee Bourbon.

skymike 06-29-2020 10:10 PM

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Can you imagine how nasty, hateful, and personal this discussion would be, if it were on Site-X ?

burningmetal 06-29-2020 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 891568)
lolol... you werent alive during Pink Floyd? Good Lord you are so young... thats so cute.

I knew I'd have some fun w/ you. I used to get called a hippie too, because of my old hair. people assumed i toked. ha! I had to finally poke my supervisor in the side and signal him that he didnt have to protect me from drug tests. unless they were testing for Tennessee Bourbon.

lol... My friend, I know just what you mean. I've had random people walk up to me in parking lots asking if I had any pot. They were always surprised to learn that my long hair and rather slender frame was not the product of smoking weed.

By the way, I'm probably not as young as you think. Just young enough to escape the trappings of Pink Floyd when they were at their height, but old enough to remember rotary dial phones, Joe Satriani when he had hair, and those strange mullet with a bird nest in the front hairstyles that girls actually thought were stylish.

burningmetal 06-30-2020 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 891543)
I repeat ... I don't care if you watch or not. Honestly. Nor do I care for the reasons WHY you no longer care to watch. Unless you were one of the the few who claimed that the NFL would lose substantial revenue due to people refusing to watch, for whatever reason, then the point of this thread does not apply to you at all. It has NOTHING to do with your personal convictions. If one's personal convictions led them to toss a thimble of red chalk powder into the air every evening, it does not mean that they will change the color of the blue sky, whether they believe so or not.

'Guido, I've read all of your repeated claims to everyone, including me, that you don't care if we watch. The thing is that some of us know how to read between the lines.

You say you don't care, but you constantly say "this won't affect the league, no matter what you do". I never said I was going to take down the league, all by myself, nor did I say that everyone was going to stop watching all at once. So you don't have to guess what I think. I've told you what I think, and yet you make comments such as "don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out!". You want me to pretend that you aren't bothered by my personal choice, despite comments like that? I'm not an idiot. It's very obvious you have contempt for anyone who dares "turn their back on this team", because, throughout your history on this site, you've elevated your status as a "superfan" to make you better than everyone else.

It leaks into every discussion. If someone doesn't like an acquisition, they're morons for questioning the all-wise front office. If someone doesn't like a play call, they're an idiot for questioning the coaches. If someone criticizes a player, they're an idiot for thinking they know how to do that player's job better than them, as if ANYONE is ever making that argument. You consistently attack people with straw man arguments. And now that some people don't want to watch, you think they're idiots. And don't tell me I am misrepresenting you, because in YOUR OWN words you stated that "What you fail to understand is that most people can intellectually separate entertainment from politics." So you think people like me lack intellectual capability to "separate".

And, as I stated before, there is nothing intellectual about pretending there IS any separation between the NFL and politics, at this point. A lot of the people here who have stated that they will still watch, have even admitted that the political foolishness has ruined a lot of the fun for them. But they aren't ready to let go. I get that. At least they are honest about it.

But you have sided with the players, and their ridiculous hateful reaction toward Drew Brees, and claimed that they "worked it out like men", presumably so you could continue to enjoy this team in full. There is no way for an "intellectually" honest person to look at what happened and not come to the conclusion that Drew was shamed and bullied into changing his position. And for his part, Drew threw away his principles to keep his standing with the team. There was nothing unreasonable about Drew saying he didn't agree with the Anthem method of protest. The players say it wasn't about the anthem or the flag... How stupid does one have to be to take that argument seriously? If it wasn't about the flag and the "oppression" they think it represents, then why did they choose that time to do it? That flag represents our country, which many have fought and died for. If you perceive some kind of injustice, the anthem was a poor time to air that grievance in the opinion of millions of people. So even if the players maintain that it wasn't about the flag, they shouldn't expect THEIR opinions to be respected if they are utterly incapable of respecting anyone else's.

That's why I won't support them.

AsylumGuido 06-30-2020 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 891575)
'Guido, I've read all of your repeated claims to everyone, including me, that you don't care if we watch. The thing is that some of us know how to read between the lines.

You say you don't care, but you constantly say "this won't affect the league, no matter what you do". I never said I was going to take down the league, all by myself, nor did I say that everyone was going to stop watching all at once. So you don't have to guess what I think. I've told you what I think, and yet you make comments such as "don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out!". You want me to pretend that you aren't bothered by my personal choice, despite comments like that? I'm not an idiot. It's very obvious you have contempt for anyone who dares "turn their back on this team", because, throughout your history on this site, you've elevated your status as a "superfan" to make you better than everyone else.

It leaks into every discussion. If someone doesn't like an acquisition, they're morons for questioning the all-wise front office. If someone doesn't like a play call, they're an idiot for questioning the coaches. If someone criticizes a player, they're an idiot for thinking they know how to do that player's job better than them, as if ANYONE is ever making that argument. You consistently attack people with straw man arguments. And now that some people don't want to watch, you think they're idiots. And don't tell me I am misrepresenting you, because in YOUR OWN words you stated that "What you fail to understand is that most people can intellectually separate entertainment from politics." So you think people like me lack intellectual capability to "separate".

And, as I stated before, there is nothing intellectual about pretending there IS any separation between the NFL and politics, at this point. A lot of the people here who have stated that they will still watch, have even admitted that the political foolishness has ruined a lot of the fun for them. But they aren't ready to let go. I get that. At least they are honest about it.

But you have sided with the players, and their ridiculous hateful reaction toward Drew Brees, and claimed that they "worked it out like men", presumably so you could continue to enjoy this team in full. There is no way for an "intellectually" honest person to look at what happened and not come to the conclusion that Drew was shamed and bullied into changing his position. And for his part, Drew threw away his principles to keep his standing with the team. There was nothing unreasonable about Drew saying he didn't agree with the Anthem method of protest. The players say it wasn't about the anthem or the flag... How stupid does one have to be to take that argument seriously? If it wasn't about the flag and the "oppression" they think it represents, then why did they choose that time to do it? That flag represents our country, which many have fought and died for. If you perceive some kind of injustice, the anthem was a poor time to air that grievance in the opinion of millions of people. So even if the players maintain that it wasn't about the flag, they shouldn't expect THEIR opinions to be respected if they are utterly incapable of respecting anyone else's.

That's why I won't support them.

I repeat. I don't care if you or any others don't watch. Cool. You have reasons that make it unwatchable for you personally. I personally have different "feelings" concerning the roots of your reasons, but still respect your reasons. You are clearly not one of the ones I was addressing that claim to be abstaining from watching so that it will substantially affect the NFL's revenue. My whole point, once again, IS if someone thinks they are going to be punishing the NFL by not watching they are sadly mistaken. It's that simple. Refusing to watch because it is no longer entertaining to an individual is one thing, refusing to watch to give the NFL what they deserve in the pocketbook is another. That's hurting no one but themselves.


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