M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

rezburna · 09-29-2020, 10:58 AM

I didn’t know anybody blocked me! That’s what’s up. 😁

Flipx99 · 09-29-2020, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Everything dealing with Black people isn’t BLM.

Of course not.

But the issues relevant to the conversation we are having in this thread are absolutely being driven by the BLM movement.

rezburna · 09-29-2020, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

Of course not.

But the issues relevant to the conversation we are having in this thread are absolutely being driven by the BLM movement.

The movement became an organization that most Black people are not affiliated with. My timeline is full of Black people giving various reasons why they don’t support BLM. You’ll find most believe it to be more of a LGBTQ Rights organization than a Black focused one. It’s replaced the NAACP as the go to reference for some reason.

burningmetal · 09-29-2020, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Nothing wrong with your choices and/or actions. Nothing wrong with mine, or others either, so long as no laws are being broken. I’ve put boots on in combat, proudly retired from the Army, miss it, a lot, lol..., but I really don’t need anyone intimating what my “responsibilities” are, or “should” be. My guess is D.Brees, M.Thomas and M.Jenkins feel the same..., but I won’t speak for them. They’ve done it themselves already.

Actions have consequences, whether those actions are breaking the law or not. The false narrative being driven in this country is driving a mob that IS breaking laws. And before you say it; I'm not assigning direct blame to any one individual for acts of violence by others. This is about taking a stand against this culture. It's very much a culture war, right now, as well as a spiritual war. We won't get anywhere saying "well, free speech is dead, racial wars are being ignited on false premises, and cops are being defunded... But as long as no one is getting hurt, it's just opinions. Nothing more."

I'm sorry, man. But I can't get on board with that. And I didn't "intimate" what your responsibilities should be. I'm giving my personal opinion on what I think is our collective responsibility. If you think it's cool for people to spout things without facts, and have a raging fit over someone else's opinion, then I'm not sure what you're even about.

By the way, I don't know if Jenkins and Thomas feel the same as you about not needing anyone to tell them what their responsibilities should be, but I CAN guarantee that if they do, they don't apply that standard to others. Their reaction to Drew Brees being exhibit A. Not just telling him what his responsibilities are, but essentially telling him how to think.

burningmetal · 09-29-2020, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

You're never going to change his mind. I've only blocked 2 people on this site in almost 20 years. And he is one of them.

He has an entitled victim mentality and believes that a black person who commits a crime is somehow white people's fault. He is racist as hell.

You're talking to a guy that thinks that he should get reparations from white people.

That's where I drew the line and blocked him.

Too bad too. Good guy to talk football with. But with all the politics now in sports, it was just too much for me.

I hear ya, man. I've seen his posts about wanting reparations in the past. Sometimes I engage, and sometimes I ignore. Just depends on my mood, I guess.

rezburna · 09-29-2020, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I hear ya, man. I seen his posts about wanting reparations in the past. Sometimes I engage, and sometimes I ignore. Just depends on my mood, I guess.

I don’t want em anymore.

burningmetal · 09-29-2020, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I don’t want em anymore.

That's good to hear.

gosaints1 · 09-29-2020, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Actions have consequences, whether those actions are breaking the law or not. The false narrative being driven in this country is driving a mob that IS breaking laws. And before you say it; I'm not assigning direct blame to any one individual for acts of violence by others. This is about taking a stand against this culture. It's very much a culture war, right now, as well as a spiritual war. We won't get anywhere saying "well, free speech is dead, racial wars are being igniting on false premises, and cops are being defunded... But as long as no one is getting hurt, it's just opinions. Nothing more."

I'm sorry, man. But I can't get on board with that. And I didn't "intimate" what your responsibilities should be. I'm giving my personal opinion on what I think is our collective responsibility. I you think it's cool for people to spout things without facts, and have a raging fit over someone else's opinion, then I'm not sure what you're even about.

By the way, I don't know if Jenkins and Thomas feel the same as you about not needing anyone to tell them what their responsibilities should be, but I CAN guarantee that if they do, they don't apply that standard to others. Their reaction to Drew Brees being exhibit A. Not just telling him what his responsibilities are, but essentially telling him how to think.

I thought we were talking about a conversation between M.Thomas, M.Jenkins, and D.Brees and whether D.Brees lost the locker-room bc of that issue, or if he lost the locker-room bc of his play? Culture War Smultcher-War, who cares, it won’t change how I feel about things. Like I said before, you would be surprised to find out that I probably agree with you on many of the things you are stating. Only difference is I think there are valid arguments to be made against them also..., bc we are all different. The things that make up my beliefs are defined by everything that has happened to me in the past and what’s going on currently. I guarantee you that each person’s histories are different, and may very well be vastly different. Drew Brees, and the others involved, did what he/they felt needed to be done or said, based on their current team and peers, the current culture in that very specific locker room, among many other items. I can’t understand that dynamics bc I wasn’t there, I wasn’t a player in that locker-room, I am not a member of that culture in that organization. So, it’s not fair for me to say: “he shoulda done this”.

Virtue signaling has two faces, I’m a fan of neither.

Flipx99 · 09-29-2020, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The movement became an organization that most Black people are not affiliated with. My timeline is full of Black people giving various reasons why they don’t support BLM. You’ll find most believe it to be more of a LGBTQ Rights organization than a Black focused one. It’s replaced the NAACP as the go to reference for some reason.

I absolutely agree that BLM is not the rough equivalent of "all black people."

In fact, the people that I think BLM hurts the most are black people.

BLM had a huge headstart because of a name that no one can argue with. However, I think enough evidence is in that we can all look past the branding.

This is not really, IMO, about race.

We just have some very bad actors who are using existing racial issues because that is our nation's weakest spot.

They do not wish any of us well.

AsylumGuido · 09-29-2020, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I didn’t know anybody blocked me! That’s what’s up. 😁

I feel honored! I was the other person he blocked. LOL!!!

09-29-2020, 10:58 AM	#61
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints I didn’t know anybody blocked me! That’s what’s up. 😁 AsylumGuido and K Major like this.

09-29-2020, 11:05 AM	#62
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Everything dealing with Black people isn’t BLM. Of course not. But the issues relevant to the conversation we are having in this thread are absolutely being driven by the BLM movement.
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09-29-2020, 11:09 AM	#63
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by Flipx99 Of course not. But the issues relevant to the conversation we are having in this thread are absolutely being driven by the BLM movement. The movement became an organization that most Black people are not affiliated with. My timeline is full of Black people giving various reasons why they don’t support BLM. You’ll find most believe it to be more of a LGBTQ Rights organization than a Black focused one. It’s replaced the NAACP as the go to reference for some reason. MatthewT and shawnkytonk like this.

09-29-2020, 11:10 AM	#64
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 Nothing wrong with your choices and/or actions. Nothing wrong with mine, or others either, so long as no laws are being broken. I’ve put boots on in combat, proudly retired from the Army, miss it, a lot, lol..., but I really don’t need anyone intimating what my “responsibilities” are, or “should” be. My guess is D.Brees, M.Thomas and M.Jenkins feel the same..., but I won’t speak for them. They’ve done it themselves already. Actions have consequences, whether those actions are breaking the law or not. The false narrative being driven in this country is driving a mob that IS breaking laws. And before you say it; I'm not assigning direct blame to any one individual for acts of violence by others. This is about taking a stand against this culture. It's very much a culture war, right now, as well as a spiritual war. We won't get anywhere saying "well, free speech is dead, racial wars are being ignited on false premises, and cops are being defunded... But as long as no one is getting hurt, it's just opinions. Nothing more." I'm sorry, man. But I can't get on board with that. And I didn't "intimate" what your responsibilities should be. I'm giving my personal opinion on what I think is our collective responsibility. If you think it's cool for people to spout things without facts, and have a raging fit over someone else's opinion, then I'm not sure what you're even about. By the way, I don't know if Jenkins and Thomas feel the same as you about not needing anyone to tell them what their responsibilities should be, but I CAN guarantee that if they do, they don't apply that standard to others. Their reaction to Drew Brees being exhibit A. Not just telling him what his responsibilities are, but essentially telling him how to think. Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.
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09-29-2020, 11:14 AM	#65
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by jnormand You're never going to change his mind. I've only blocked 2 people on this site in almost 20 years. And he is one of them. He has an entitled victim mentality and believes that a black person who commits a crime is somehow white people's fault. He is racist as hell. You're talking to a guy that thinks that he should get reparations from white people. That's where I drew the line and blocked him. Too bad too. Good guy to talk football with. But with all the politics now in sports, it was just too much for me. I hear ya, man. I've seen his posts about wanting reparations in the past. Sometimes I engage, and sometimes I ignore. Just depends on my mood, I guess.

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09-29-2020, 11:15 AM	#66
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by burningmetal I hear ya, man. I seen his posts about wanting reparations in the past. Sometimes I engage, and sometimes I ignore. Just depends on my mood, I guess. I don’t want em anymore.

09-29-2020, 11:17 AM	#67
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I don’t want em anymore. That's good to hear. iceshack149 likes this.

09-29-2020, 11:34 AM	#68
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by burningmetal Actions have consequences, whether those actions are breaking the law or not. The false narrative being driven in this country is driving a mob that IS breaking laws. And before you say it; I'm not assigning direct blame to any one individual for acts of violence by others. This is about taking a stand against this culture. It's very much a culture war, right now, as well as a spiritual war. We won't get anywhere saying "well, free speech is dead, racial wars are being igniting on false premises, and cops are being defunded... But as long as no one is getting hurt, it's just opinions. Nothing more." I'm sorry, man. But I can't get on board with that. And I didn't "intimate" what your responsibilities should be. I'm giving my personal opinion on what I think is our collective responsibility. I you think it's cool for people to spout things without facts, and have a raging fit over someone else's opinion, then I'm not sure what you're even about. By the way, I don't know if Jenkins and Thomas feel the same as you about not needing anyone to tell them what their responsibilities should be, but I CAN guarantee that if they do, they don't apply that standard to others. Their reaction to Drew Brees being exhibit A. Not just telling him what his responsibilities are, but essentially telling him how to think. I thought we were talking about a conversation between M.Thomas, M.Jenkins, and D.Brees and whether D.Brees lost the locker-room bc of that issue, or if he lost the locker-room bc of his play? Culture War Smultcher-War, who cares, it won’t change how I feel about things. Like I said before, you would be surprised to find out that I probably agree with you on many of the things you are stating. Only difference is I think there are valid arguments to be made against them also..., bc we are all different. The things that make up my beliefs are defined by everything that has happened to me in the past and what’s going on currently. I guarantee you that each person’s histories are different, and may very well be vastly different. Drew Brees, and the others involved, did what he/they felt needed to be done or said, based on their current team and peers, the current culture in that very specific locker room, among many other items. I can’t understand that dynamics bc I wasn’t there, I wasn’t a player in that locker-room, I am not a member of that culture in that organization. So, it’s not fair for me to say: “he shoulda done this”. Virtue signaling has two faces, I’m a fan of neither.
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09-29-2020, 11:35 AM	#69
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna The movement became an organization that most Black people are not affiliated with. My timeline is full of Black people giving various reasons why they don’t support BLM. You’ll find most believe it to be more of a LGBTQ Rights organization than a Black focused one. It’s replaced the NAACP as the go to reference for some reason. I absolutely agree that BLM is not the rough equivalent of "all black people." In fact, the people that I think BLM hurts the most are black people. BLM had a huge headstart because of a name that no one can argue with. However, I think enough evidence is in that we can all look past the branding. This is not really, IMO, about race. We just have some very bad actors who are using existing racial issues because that is our nation's weakest spot. They do not wish any of us well. iceshack149 likes this.
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09-29-2020, 11:52 AM	#70
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I didn’t know anybody blocked me! That’s what’s up. 😁 I feel honored! I was the other person he blocked. LOL!!! rezburna and shawnkytonk like this.