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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by gosaints1 I thought we were talking about a conversation between M.Thomas, M.Jenkins, and D.Brees and whether D.Brees lost the locker-room bc of that issue, or if he lost the locker-room bc of his play? Culture War Smultcher-War, ...
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09-29-2020, 11:55 AM | #71 |
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by gosaints1
We've already addressed the three original players in question, and the conversation moved onward to issues related to the subject matter involving said players. I assumed you were keeping up. It seemed you were. Now you're trying to push my points aside as being "not part of the conversation", I guess?
All that stuff you said about there being valid arguments to be made against my position, because "people are different", and your beliefs being made up of your experiences is really just a long way of not making a valid argument against my points. You keep saying you probably agree with me on most things, but you keep arguing with me, and yet not really addressing the problems I've raised with the players' stance; instead punting the conversation to "there are valid arguments to be made against it, and everyone is different". You say you don't like virtue signaling. Neither do I. But your refusal to meet the issues I'm raising head on, and trying to show me that you are open minded, by not actually taking a position, is what I'd call virtue signaling. Everyone has a right to an opinion. Not everyone's opinion is right, however. There is no such thing as "my truth" and "your truth" and "their truth". There is only THE truth. The only way for any conversation to be productive is for all parties involved to actively search for that truth. It's not good enough just to say "well, I may disagree with them, but I'm sure they have a valid reason for what they believe", anymore than it is good enough to shout people down without hearing what they have to say. I don't believe Drew thinks he did the "right" thing. I think he just wanted to save his butt from criticism rather than face the fire. But even if, for the sake of argument, he DID change is mind, that doesn't make him right, and I do not have to respect his opinion, and I have the right to say he was wrong. Reality does not back the narrative the players are pushing. Period. This is what I mean about everyone having a responsibility to know what they believe and why. Because, if you want your opinion to be respected, you better have the facts to back up what you say. The players don't. This thing you're doing about refusing to say that someone's opinion is wrong, simply because you don't know them, makes no sense to me. I don't have to know these people to know the narrative is false. We're not discussing their relationship choices, we're talking about this supposed "cause". |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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09-29-2020, 12:08 PM | #72 |
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by burningmetal
We agree on a lot of subjects...even some on this thread. I totally agree that Sports and politics don't belong together but the BLM movement gave us no option. I agree that Drew tried to be diplomatic but no one respected Drew's opinion if it didn't align with their predetermined notions. That is stubborn. See it my way or we'll turn All BLM supporters against you and your family.
Like you said I wish he had stuck to his guns and used it as motivation. It's no longer us against them...it's us against Drew. Drew Brees sat alone on the bench. Previously he was the unquestioned leader. It's a shame that non football agendas can make a team dysfunctional. |
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09-29-2020, 12:40 PM | #73 |
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by burningmetal
Yes, we did address the three and we concluded that none of them directly threatened or encouraged threatening actions to the others. As far as social justice warrior’ing a cultural war, lol, it reminds of that scene in Blazing Saddles.
“We must do something about this immediately, immediately, immediately..., Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph..., give the Guvnah a harrumph.” lol. Go on with your bad self, enjoy, have fun. |
09-29-2020, 01:03 PM | #74 |
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by burningmetal
Bahahahahaha. That's an opinion. We all have one and most stink. Those of you who don't car about football, why don't you just stay away? You lurk around waiting for something political to be posted before you come out from under your rock. Then all you do is complain about football now being political. The hypocrisy is real. All of you just want to argue.
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09-29-2020, 01:04 PM | #75 |
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09-29-2020, 01:42 PM | #76 |
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by shawnkytonk
Since they don't have football to watch they've just adopted a new sport ... beating a dead horse.
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09-29-2020, 02:35 PM | #77 |
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by Danno
Their goal is destruction as a form of retribution. Just stop watching, buying the merchandise, and going to games. It's the only real way to show you disapprove. |
09-29-2020, 02:40 PM | #78 |
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by pinch
And I'll watch twice as much (pretty impossible), buy twice as much (been doing that), and will go to games as soon as we can. Ticket prices may even be better! Woohoo!
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by shawnkytonk
I appreciate that my brotha. The respect is mutual.
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
Originally Posted by shawnkytonk
I'll agree completely on Rez's character. Outside of this forum I have come to know him and appreciate what he has contributed to me as a friend and confidant. He also outkicked his coverage in marriage.
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