Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2020, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And how did you come up with that stretch of a conclusion? Perhaps it had something to do with facing four straight abysmal opponents in his (Alexander's) first four games (SF, ATL, DEN, ATL).

Well, several reasons but for one, Anzalone’s playing time decreased with each week. He couldn’t cover passing routes. He couldn’t blitz. He missed too many assignments.

Would you trust him?

AsylumGuido · 12-28-2020, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Well, several reasons but for one, Anzalone’s playing time decreased with each week. He couldn’t cover passing routes. He couldn’t blitz. He missed too many assignments.

Would you trust him?

I'm not a part of that tight brotherhood of a team. As far as I know neither are you. I can't get inside any of their minds to declare that they do not trust him.

As far as I can remember pretty much every defensive player on our team has missed an assignment here or there. Everyone one of them have missed a tackle. Every one of them that had coverage duties has been burned on routes.

As a player you HAVE to trust your teammates. It's easy for a fan to lose that trust. Players, however, are not fans. They do not have your thought process.

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2020, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm not a part of that tight brotherhood of a team. As far as I know neither are you. I can't get inside any of their minds to declare that they do not trust him.

As far as I can remember pretty much every defensive player on our team has missed an assignment here or there. Everyone one of them have missed a tackle. Every one of them that had coverage duties has been burned on routes.

As a player you HAVE to trust your teammates. It's easy for a fan to lose that trust. Players, however, are not fans. They do not have your thought process.

Guido, "missed an assignment here or there" does not accurately describe Anzalone's play on the field and you know it. My point is a player who can't play well enough becomes a guy you can't trust on the field.

The fact he was phased out and replaced is enough for us to at least infer that coaches couldn't trust him.

blackangold · 12-28-2020, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Guido, "missed an assignment here or there" does not accurately describe Anzalone's play on the field and you know it. My point is a player who can't play well enough becomes a guy you can't trust on the field.

The fact he was phased out and replaced is enough for us to at least infer that coaches couldn't trust him.

Your reaching here...

Please go back and pull the specific plays your referencing where he missed assignments and it’s objectively proven it was on him. Oh wait, you can’t? That’s ok there is a website that does that for you called pro football focus. Guess what, they have people assigned to watch every player on every play and assign a grade for that play... and wouldn’t you know it PFF happen to rank Alex much better than Kwon.

But hey, let’s ignore the unbiased opinion of highly respected third party rating team(of which professional scouting team have contracts with) and use our opinions alone instead. Or we can do what CSC did with their sloppy write up on how well Kwon did against potent offenses like SF and Denver...lol

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2020, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Your reaching here...

Please go back and pull the specific plays your referencing where he missed assignments and it’s objectively proven it was on him. Oh wait, you can’t? That’s ok there is a website that does that for you called pro football focus. Guess what, they have people assigned to watch every player on every play and assign a grade for that play... and wouldn’t you know it PFF happen to rank Alex much better than Kwon.

But hey, let’s ignore the unbiased opinion of highly respected third party rating team(of which professional scouting team have contracts with) and use our opinions alone instead. Or we can do what CSC did with their sloppy write up on how well Kwon did against potent offenses like SF and Denver...lol

It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT.

I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough.

I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs.

blackangold · 12-28-2020, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT.

I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough.

I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs.

Failed to address any points... didn’t point out a specific play, can’t refute a highly touted and multi-million dollar business on scouting and player ratings. It’s ok I didn’t expect you to.

Lol
Here you go- multiple teams and head coaches talking about using PFF. Also worth noting all 32 pro teams and 80+ College teams use the data for scouting and player insight. Wow, that took all of 30 seconds to find... https://www.pff.com/team-services

For the record, I don’t care about Alex and would rather see Baun get a shot. However, so many of you are delusional in thinking Kwon was this amazing player and our D will suck without him.... wake up.

saintsfan1976 · 12-29-2020, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Failed to address any points... didn’t point out a specific play, can’t refute a highly touted and multi-million dollar business on scouting and player ratings. It’s ok I didn’t expect you to.

Lol
Here you go- multiple teams and head coaches talking about using PFF. Also worth noting all 32 pro teams and 80+ College teams use the data for scouting and player insight. Wow, that took all of 30 seconds to find... https://www.pff.com/team-services

For the record, I don’t care about Alex and would rather see Baun get a shot. However, so many of you are delusional in thinking Kwon was this amazing player and our D will suck without him.... wake up.

I addressed the facts that led to Alex being benched. You sent me a link that used quotes from a "NFL Coach"... Ha! That's about as definitive as a "Source at the White House". Show me a video of an NFL Head Coach saying player X's PFF grades are low so we're addressing it with him. It doesn't happen. And by the way, scouts use a mountain of data including new technology to try to gain an edge. PFF is probably a part of it, but in no way the definitive source for information.

You're also mistaken in calling members here delusional. I haven't read a single post referring to Kwon as "amazing", in fact many have cited his missed tackles and over-aggressive play as potential problems. I haven't read a single post saying "our D will suck without him"... That's

Again - when a benched player who had fallen out of favor is forced back into a starting role for the playoffs, people who wonder if he'll be a liability are justified.

AsylumGuido · 12-29-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT.

I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough.

I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs.

PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job.

Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES.

If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all.

saintsfan1976 · 12-29-2020, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job.

Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES.

If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all.

I actually pointed out where I felt Alex was better than Kwon. How’s that implying he shouldn’t be on this team? We’ll all find out soon enough!

12-28-2020, 04:52 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,565 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And how did you come up with that stretch of a conclusion? Perhaps it had something to do with facing four straight abysmal opponents in his (Alexander's) first four games (SF, ATL, DEN, ATL). Well, several reasons but for one, Anzalone’s playing time decreased with each week. He couldn’t cover passing routes. He couldn’t blitz. He missed too many assignments. Would you trust him? K Major likes this.

12-28-2020, 05:21 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,474	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Well, several reasons but for one, Anzalone’s playing time decreased with each week. He couldn’t cover passing routes. He couldn’t blitz. He missed too many assignments. Would you trust him? I'm not a part of that tight brotherhood of a team. As far as I know neither are you. I can't get inside any of their minds to declare that they do not trust him. As far as I can remember pretty much every defensive player on our team has missed an assignment here or there. Everyone one of them have missed a tackle. Every one of them that had coverage duties has been burned on routes. As a player you HAVE to trust your teammates. It's easy for a fan to lose that trust. Players, however, are not fans. They do not have your thought process.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

12-28-2020, 08:51 PM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,565 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm not a part of that tight brotherhood of a team. As far as I know neither are you. I can't get inside any of their minds to declare that they do not trust him. As far as I can remember pretty much every defensive player on our team has missed an assignment here or there. Everyone one of them have missed a tackle. Every one of them that had coverage duties has been burned on routes. As a player you HAVE to trust your teammates. It's easy for a fan to lose that trust. Players, however, are not fans. They do not have your thought process. Guido, "missed an assignment here or there" does not accurately describe Anzalone's play on the field and you know it. My point is a player who can't play well enough becomes a guy you can't trust on the field. The fact he was phased out and replaced is enough for us to at least infer that coaches couldn't trust him. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

12-28-2020, 09:01 PM	#4
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Guido, "missed an assignment here or there" does not accurately describe Anzalone's play on the field and you know it. My point is a player who can't play well enough becomes a guy you can't trust on the field. The fact he was phased out and replaced is enough for us to at least infer that coaches couldn't trust him. Your reaching here... Please go back and pull the specific plays your referencing where he missed assignments and it’s objectively proven it was on him. Oh wait, you can’t? That’s ok there is a website that does that for you called pro football focus. Guess what, they have people assigned to watch every player on every play and assign a grade for that play... and wouldn’t you know it PFF happen to rank Alex much better than Kwon. But hey, let’s ignore the unbiased opinion of highly respected third party rating team(of which professional scouting team have contracts with) and use our opinions alone instead. Or we can do what CSC did with their sloppy write up on how well Kwon did against potent offenses like SF and Denver...lol AsylumGuido likes this.
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12-28-2020, 09:23 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,565 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold Your reaching here... Please go back and pull the specific plays your referencing where he missed assignments and it’s objectively proven it was on him. Oh wait, you can’t? That’s ok there is a website that does that for you called pro football focus. Guess what, they have people assigned to watch every player on every play and assign a grade for that play... and wouldn’t you know it PFF happen to rank Alex much better than Kwon. But hey, let’s ignore the unbiased opinion of highly respected third party rating team(of which professional scouting team have contracts with) and use our opinions alone instead. Or we can do what CSC did with their sloppy write up on how well Kwon did against potent offenses like SF and Denver...lol It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT. I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough. I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs. Rsanders24, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

12-28-2020, 10:37 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT. I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough. I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs. Failed to address any points... didn’t point out a specific play, can’t refute a highly touted and multi-million dollar business on scouting and player ratings. It’s ok I didn’t expect you to. Lol Here you go- multiple teams and head coaches talking about using PFF. Also worth noting all 32 pro teams and 80+ College teams use the data for scouting and player insight. Wow, that took all of 30 seconds to find... https://www.pff.com/team-services For the record, I don’t care about Alex and would rather see Baun get a shot. However, so many of you are delusional in thinking Kwon was this amazing player and our D will suck without him.... wake up.
	The Saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game.

12-29-2020, 05:55 AM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,565 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold Failed to address any points... didn’t point out a specific play, can’t refute a highly touted and multi-million dollar business on scouting and player ratings. It’s ok I didn’t expect you to. Lol Here you go- multiple teams and head coaches talking about using PFF. Also worth noting all 32 pro teams and 80+ College teams use the data for scouting and player insight. Wow, that took all of 30 seconds to find... https://www.pff.com/team-services For the record, I don’t care about Alex and would rather see Baun get a shot. However, so many of you are delusional in thinking Kwon was this amazing player and our D will suck without him.... wake up. I addressed the facts that led to Alex being benched. You sent me a link that used quotes from a "NFL Coach"... Ha! That's about as definitive as a "Source at the White House". Show me a video of an NFL Head Coach saying player X's PFF grades are low so we're addressing it with him. It doesn't happen. And by the way, scouts use a mountain of data including new technology to try to gain an edge. PFF is probably a part of it, but in no way the definitive source for information. You're also mistaken in calling members here delusional. I haven't read a single post referring to Kwon as "amazing", in fact many have cited his missed tackles and over-aggressive play as potential problems. I haven't read a single post saying "our D will suck without him"... That's Again - when a benched player who had fallen out of favor is forced back into a starting role for the playoffs, people who wonder if he'll be a liability are justified. Rsanders24, jeanpierre and K Major like this.

12-29-2020, 08:53 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,474	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT. I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough. I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs. PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job. Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES. If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all.

12-29-2020, 09:00 PM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,565 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job. Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES. If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all. I actually pointed out where I felt Alex was better than Kwon. How’s that implying he shouldn’t be on this team? We’ll all find out soon enough! K Major likes this.