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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Nice work BMG. I agree all around. Billy, if you\'re only gonna come around once a month, please regale us with some of those fine arguments we all love. We miss ya bud. Also, inkele:...

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Old 12-10-2004, 05:52 PM   #211
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Nice work BMG. I agree all around.

Billy, if you\'re only gonna come around once a month, please regale us with some of those fine arguments we all love. We miss ya bud.

Also, inkele:
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Old 12-10-2004, 11:59 PM   #212
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Another argument I don\'t understand - if the defene plays better, the Saints win. OK, I agree, but the those fumbles and backwards passes, and underhanded INTs DO cost us games.
How can the defense play better when they\'re on the field so damn much? 10 points scored in the 1st quarter, over all the games combined this year? Average time of possession this year: Saints- 26:32 Opponents- 33:28. The offense is really burning new paths with all those three and outs in the first half.
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Old 12-11-2004, 07:12 AM   #213
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\"Give a QB a football, and he\'ll throw it backwards or fumble it all day. Teach a QB to play football, and ... well, you get the idea...\"

BnB, I agree with you that the defense is getting precious little help from the offense. It\'s just as tough for a defense to constantly play from behind as it is for an offense.

But here\'s where we finally get into the granddaddy of all circular arguments. Are our troubles the defense\'s fault because it can\'t keep the opposing offense from scoring points, or is it the offense\'s fault because they can\'t score points in the first place? Both end up playing from behind, and both end up looking pretty sloppy while doing so.

I think the simplest answer is that they\'re both lousy. Sooner or later, one has to take up the responsibility the other refuses to. The Ravens win with big defense and little offense. In contrast, the Colts win with big offense and little defense. We have neither, and therefore we don\'t win at all...

Our entire team looks like carp...

[Edited on 11/12/2004 by mutineer10]

[Edited on 11/12/2004 by mutineer10]
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Old 12-11-2004, 08:36 AM   #214
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Big....fat.....stinky.....carp :yes:

Yeah, I wasn\'t making excuses for the defense, we know they suck. They\'ve progressively gotten worse over the past three years. But, I felt like pointing out a few things concerning the offense, especially the average t.o.p., which blew my mind.
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:52 AM   #215
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Old 12-11-2004, 01:00 PM   #216
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Big....fat.....stinky.....carp :yes:

Yeah, I wasn\'t making excuses for the defense, we know they suck. They\'ve progressively gotten worse over the past three years. But, I felt like pointing out a few things concerning the offense, especially the average t.o.p., which blew my mind.
It seems to me that both sides of the ball bear equal blame and/or praise for whatever bad or good comes out. What is especially troubling to me is that in the Mora/Hebert years, the defense carried the offense and the offense played ball to keep it close so that the defense could both rest and make big plays.

I would submit to you that this entire franchise is not really a team in the strict sense of the word, but two distinctly different sets of individuals on the field at one time. If you care to watch the sidelines (when the camera shows them) you see Brooks, clowning and playing grabass with the reserves, instead of watching the game and being a part of the team. I realize that the O line gets a quick coaching session right after leaving the field, but the rest of the offense doesn\'t. It looks like that the offense is saying: \"oh well, we get a rest now, so let\'s sit on our can while the defense struggles. That creates a situation in which the defense is playing the other team and their own offense, because the offense is appathetic to what\'s going on.

When the offense is on the field, watch where Charles Grant is. Right on the sideline, cheering them on. Others in the defense are doing the same. Grant as much as anyone has the right to sit on his can with what he produces on the field. This kid has fire and heart. He will be the driving force on D next year. He has taken what Pease has done for him to heart, and it shows. He should be better against the run next year assuming that Pease stays, and I hope to God he does.

What I\'m getting at is that since Brooks don\'t care, why should the rest of the offense? Attitude shows in body language and behavior as well as words. Brooks shows me what kind of leader he is in his behavior on the sideline much more that in the huddle. And, as you may guess, my opinion is that He ain\'t much.
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Old 12-11-2004, 01:46 PM   #217
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RDOX,

While I agree with most of what you say, and I think, by in large, you\'re VERY right about the schism on the \"team\", I can\'t let this one go:

What I\'m getting at is that since Brooks don\'t care, why should the rest of the offense?
Because it is their team too!

For cryin\' out loud. This idea that the rest of the guys on the O do whatever Brooks does, act the way he does, are completely lead by his example, and so on, makes them sound like big five year olds.

These guys are men. They\'re professionals. They have a job to do. The idea that one bad apple spoils the other apples is crazy, even if the idea that one bad apple spoils the lot is true. There is a huge difference there. Brooks may not be doing his part to help us win, or inspire other, etc. However, that doesn\'t make it the case that the rest of these guys can\'t try, can\'t rise above, can\'t lead by their own example.

I suppose I just don\'t understand the argument. Let\'s say that Brooks has no heart. Why in the world would this have anything to do with whether or not other guys have any heart? Either their mindless boobs, who are no better than five year olds, OR they have no excuse for caving just because Brooks does.

Either way, if it is true that the ENTIRE offensive squad is that affected by one guy, I say fire them all - they\'re not the kind of player we want on this team.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks :cool:
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Old 12-11-2004, 01:58 PM   #218
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WhoDat blaming Brooks? But he says he\'s not blaming Brooks. That\'s typical WhoDat. At least have the guts to take a stand. Just kidding WhoDat.
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Is it just me or does this not read like \"just kidding\"?
Nice to see you back though Billy. I\'ve missed your perspective.
No, it doesn\'t, but it doesn\'t bother me. After last season, Billy went into hiding - think it had anything to do with that 13-3 prediction? LOL.... oh, wait, just kidding.

Brooks hasn\'t played great, but who has? I could and DO blame Deuce more than Brooks. Deuce has looked awful this year. Our running game and run blocking has forced Brooks to throw the ball more than any other QB in the NFL.
Yeah, you and SF both... (and Danno, LMAO). Think being down by 20 in the first or second quarter of, oh, I dunno, ever game for a month or more MIGHT have something to do with Deuce\'s production? Think and early season injury followed by 10 to 15 touches a game all when playing from way behind might keep the guy from hitting the groove?? Thank the lord Billy\'s not calling the shots folks. You\'d have Haslett and Brooks for life - get rid of those crazy losers like Deuce, Roaf, and Turley - cut those over the hill players like Horn... LMAO... uh, just kidding?

I\'m not sure I understand this sort of argumentation. Everyone else has looked awful. The coaching has been awful. Brooks has looked awful. Therefore it\'s ok to talk about the coaching and anyone else, but Brooks is verboten? If everything is bad, why not talk about everything?


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Who started this thread.......??

Oh yeah, Whodat did. Go figure.
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Wait, you mean Billy thinks AB is the cure to all of the Saints woes? AB is the best QB in NFL history? This team is letting AB down and keeping him from the 13-3 record he deserves. ROFLMAO... er... kid... kidding?

Billy, still think Peyton Manning is a loser?
Anybody want to bet he doesn\'t answer this one?

Billy: I associate the word loser with the name Manning. The Mannings are all losers.
Whodat: Hey Bill, would you trade AB straight up for Peyton?
Billy: Yeah, I would. See Whodat, I tell it like it is!

Yeah, you got me there. LOL.

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Old 12-11-2004, 02:59 PM   #219
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Sheesh guys. Let the Manning thing go. Everyone else here can see that Billy was wrong on that one - is there any pressing need to get him to admit it?

I\'m not defending him here, since, as far as I\'m concerned, his post here didn\'t add very much, and this thread was going quite well. I\'m just suggesting that there are some points that are worth letting die.


But not this one: Farve and Brooks can both throw a football.



Ok, honestly, just kidding on that last point, but it makes me laugh. You\'ll give me that small pleasure, right?

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks :cool:
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Old 12-11-2004, 05:20 PM   #220
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I think we\'ve seen the big fish enough...
\"Give a QB a football, and he\'ll throw it backwards or fumble it all day. Teach a QB to play football, and ... well, you get the idea...\"

BnB, I agree with you that the defense is getting precious little help from the offense. It\'s just as tough for a defense to constantly play from behind as it is for an offense.

But here\'s where we finally get into the granddaddy of all circular arguments. Are our troubles the defense\'s fault because it can\'t keep the opposing offense from scoring points, or is it the offense\'s fault because they can\'t score points in the first place? Both end up playing from behind, and both end up looking pretty sloppy while doing so.

I think the simplest answer is that they\'re both lousy. Sooner or later, one has to take up the responsibility the other refuses to. The Ravens win with big defense and little offense. In contrast, the Colts win with big offense and little defense. We have neither, and therefore we don\'t win at all...

Our entire team looks like carp...
And let the congragation say AMEN!

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